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Posted on 01/20/2008 1:18:25 AM PST by TexasMatty

As a Conservative I am lost. I will not, under any circumstances vote for John Mclame. He has sold Conservatives out. Nor will I vote for Jesus' favorite candidate Schmuckabee. I believe the most Conservative candidate is Thompson and can't help but wonder who is voting in these things. If Mclame or Schmuckabee is the nominee I can't vote. It will pain me deeply to not vote, but either of those clowns are no different from the lefty. Me question to my FRiends is.. WHAT THE HELL DO WE DO??? The situation seems rather desperate.


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To: bill1952
“Romney can not beat anyone the Dems run.”

They will eat him like a waffle with jam and a side of willful toast.

151 posted on 01/20/2008 5:12:44 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Def Conservative

Amen. :0)


152 posted on 01/20/2008 5:13:48 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Candor7
And they held Fred in very long strategy talks which made Fred slow to enter the race.
What are you talking about? Fred said back then -- and I supported him in his contention -- that he was on his "own timetable".

Fred turned out to be wrong about that. Accept it.

If Fred had played the game the way everybody else did -- on the new accelerated timetable -- I bet we would have seen a much different result in SC yesterday.

As much as I support Fred -- and I do, and I continue to -- I see it as a major strategy mistake in his campaign.

153 posted on 01/20/2008 5:15:37 AM PST by samtheman
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To: zerosix
“That or you never, ever heard of him, thanks to all of MSM, who feared him most of all, as they know how flawed others are, that many will choose to sit out the ‘08 election rather than choose any who insult our intelligence with their sell-outs to liberal causes, so they left Hunter largely unnoticed, except for when they thought he was withdrawing and rushed to his last “news” conference and stomped off in a huff when he didn’t.”

Congratulations! You’ve won today’s “longest rambling single sentence” award.

154 posted on 01/20/2008 5:17:22 AM PST by toddlintown (Build More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: Earthdweller

I think that’s true, in which case our best hope will be a 2010 Republican retaking of Congress with renewed conservative vigor, just like in 1994.

But then we’ll have to hope that we somehow learned our lesson and not run Bob Dole III (counting McCain ‘08 as Dole II). Either way, it doesn’t look good for Supreme Court appointments, though at least the first to go will be Stevens and Ginsburg, so there won’t be much immediate backsliding.


155 posted on 01/20/2008 5:17:23 AM PST by 9YearLurker (Fred just keeps looking better and better)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
They made it extremely clear that they don’t want to be a part of the political process, so let them do just that. Stay out of the political process!

I'm a registered independent.

There's no reason for me to stay out of the political process which is destroying my country.

156 posted on 01/20/2008 5:17:33 AM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; All
Reading over this and similar threads, it seems like the candidate that conservatives need to rally behind is Mitt Romney. Romney is okay with Rush and he should be okay with the rest of us. Oh, and get over any religious fixations. If need be I will try to find a FUnnie Steven Wright comedy routine on that subject that puts that into proper perspective.

To paraphrase a Marine Colonel in Vietnam to all you folks torn by the duality of man and into that Jungian thing:

Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

157 posted on 01/20/2008 5:17:37 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: CowboyJay

Romney or McCain? If someone put the gun to your head and you absolutely had to choose.


158 posted on 01/20/2008 5:17:53 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (If McCain wins the nom, I'm voting democrat. Well! There's two liberals on my november ballot.....)
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To: TexasMatty
Vote for whomever will nominate the most conservative federal judges and an Attorney General who believes in the NRA's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

Now where does that leave you in a general election, when neither candidate fills the bill? Well in that case, it seems that logic says that you vote for the lessor of evils!

Yes, the nomination process is important and a few votes can make the difference -- don't be a fair weather voter.

159 posted on 01/20/2008 5:20:25 AM PST by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
you are a nut.

Romney cannot run away from his record, and that record is very close to Hillary’s platform itself, from gay marriage - great job in managment there - to forced health care for all.

Hell, they are too close to slip a piece of paper between, and the conservative base will fracture between those who will hold their noses and vote for him, and those who will not.

All of your posts are wide of that reality.

Hillary will even take Mitt’s own state, along with another 30 - 34.

160 posted on 01/20/2008 5:20:41 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: TexasMatty

I will hold my nose and vote for the nominee because to do otherwise is, objectively, a vote for marxism, abortion and anti americanism.

Yes, I know, but if nothing else...”it’s the Judges” which will far outlast any term of any of the candidates now running.


161 posted on 01/20/2008 5:20:54 AM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: samtheman
You are not very observant or you did not watch all the media clips and debates. I've studied all the national channels..papers and seen all the debates. They blocked the view of the candidates that they didn’t want and left their names out in print everywhere. (This is happening in both of the parties by the way)

The media started this with Fred and Hunter from day one. The people have to see and get to know the candidates in order to vote for them. This is the way they control our elections.

162 posted on 01/20/2008 5:23:07 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller

-————Hillary is at the top of the ticket...we have to defeat the commie moles.—————

You don’t beat liberals by electing liberals. I’m sorry, that just doesn’t make logical sense.

-—————Are you aware of what this all means before you vote Dem?——————

Yes. I’m aware.

McCain will pass many of the same kinds of things that they would pass. And even though most americans have been talked into believing these kinds of things, the results will force them to revolt. If anybody(like McCain) is allowed to be the one passing such laws, that’s the end of conservatism as we know it because the media will make sure to run it into the ground that it was a conservative who forced global warming legislation down our throats and killed us.

If we’re going to be destroyed, I want a clearly known liberal to do it. Hillary. Obama. Edwards.

McCain isn’t our guy. But we can’t beat the media yet.

Yes, I know what I’m doing.


163 posted on 01/20/2008 5:26:23 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (If McCain wins the nom, I'm voting democrat. Well! There's two liberals on my november ballot.....)
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To: Earthdweller

The media is bad, I’ll grant you that, but they don’t have the power to keep a Ronald Reagan (for example) down.

Fred did it to himself with his very bad decision (which I supported at the time) to do things his own way on his own timetable.

Turns out, Fred, when you’re dealing with a group activity, such as an election, it’s the group who makes the rules.

If we blame Fred’s defeat on the media, we are doing what the RATS do when they don’t get their way: crying like babies.

Fred screwed up. Face it like the men and women we are. I’m sure Fred is.

I continue to support Fred and urge him to go all the way to the convention where he will hopefully have some influence.


164 posted on 01/20/2008 5:28:12 AM PST by samtheman
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To: bill1952

Rush Limbaugh has no problem with Mitt. Why should you?


165 posted on 01/20/2008 5:28:17 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
"Romney or McCain? If someone put the gun to your head and you absolutely had to choose."

Romney is a gun grabber so you can call that a preemptive straw-man.


166 posted on 01/20/2008 5:29:21 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Clemenza
“Too many folks live conservatively, but are liberal in the head. Case in point...”

My brother-in-law, who owns a business that employs 200 and who’s specialty makes his operation #3 nationally, lives in a ritzy part of town, owns 3 homes, 6 cars and thinks nothing of handing over cash for his wife who spends money like it’s going out of style...told me yesterday that he’s voting for Obama. He voted twice for Bush.

When I told him he’s the very group of people that Obama would target for income distribution, he blew me off and boasted how the whole neighborhood had Obama signs on their lawns. His neighborhood is one of high-income professionals who nonetheless, are riddled with liberal ideology.

When I asked him why he wouldn’t vote Republican, he started mouthing the “Change” mantra, not looking at the fact that part of the “change” would be coming out of his pockets and sent to D.C.

167 posted on 01/20/2008 5:29:24 AM PST by toddlintown (Build More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: TexasMatty
From another post; another thread:

If Romney is the nominee, imagine the debate with Hillary.
On abortion:

Hillary: I am pro-choice and in fact my opponent was also at one time.

On taxes:

Hillary: I opposed the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and in fact, my opponent was also against them at one time.

On healthcare for all:

Hillary: I support and will fight for healthcare for all, just like my opponent did in Massachusetts.
In fact, he said the biggest difference between his plan and mine is that his became law!
I welcome his support for my plan.

On gays serving openly in the military:

Hillary: It is time to end ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’
In fact, you Mr. Romney, were all for ending that plan even before me and my husband.
You were ahead of the curve and supported gays being allowed to serve openly way back in 1994.

On a huge stimulus package:

Hillary: I want to spend 100 billion in an effort to bring the economy back from this recession!
My opponent wants to spend 100 billion over 5 years just on the automobile industry, so my plan is, in fact, a lot more fiscally responsible than his!

168 posted on 01/20/2008 5:30:09 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Earthdweller

Perhaps. But I was looking for a straight, one name answer.

So........ if I ask again..........

Romney or McCain?


169 posted on 01/20/2008 5:30:45 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing (If McCain wins the nom, I'm voting democrat. Well! There's two liberals on my november ballot.....)
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To: PJ-Comix

Stupid question.


170 posted on 01/20/2008 5:31:59 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: bill1952

I respect your devotion to your principles.
But please help me understand better.

Let’s say there are two candidates in November.
I’m exaggerating to make my point, but assume
both are pro-choice,
both support gay marriage,
both will raise taxes...
[ ] fill in domestic issues.

BUT:
One candidate believes national security is the most important issue and will govern accordingly.

The other candidate relies on domestic issues to hold his/her base together and tells us security threats are “overstated” and based on fear.

What would you do?
____________________________________________

Me? Domestic issues are important as hell, but I would still vote for the first guy. We can’t be naive and act as though our enemies will sleep-walk through a Dem presidency. They won’t. I have to go with the candidate who’s serious about national security.


171 posted on 01/20/2008 5:32:50 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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To: TexasMatty
I suggest you break away and form a far right party similar to what the Green Party did to the Democrats. Then you can nominate your hero Dick Cheney and get about 3-5% of the vote, ensuring 8 more years of a Clinton presidency.

In the meantime, the rest of us in the Republican party, as imperfect as you all point out ad nauseum, will be fighting to end the Clinton era.

172 posted on 01/20/2008 5:33:22 AM PST by ParaVet93
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To: Timeout

Not to mention that if the economy is #1 in voters minds, and security in 2nd, then Romney walks away with the nomination.

Mitt knows how to make money, Hillary knows only how to spend it.


173 posted on 01/20/2008 5:35:59 AM PST by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: samtheman
"The media is bad, I’ll grant you that, but they don’t have the power to keep a Ronald Reagan (for example) down."

With an across the board media bias...yes they do. The Dem side is being controlled by a combo of media blackout and super delegates so if you think it's any better on their side you haven't been watching.

FR is all for complaining about media bias. That's what we do...that's why we are here for the most part.

174 posted on 01/20/2008 5:38:04 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: HelloooClareece

And your point is......?


175 posted on 01/20/2008 5:38:14 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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To: Def Conservative

Four years will be to late. By then there could be more than 40 million illegals and if McCain gets in they will legalized and voting. What do you think things will be like then. If the republican party allows McCain to get the nomination, people will leave in mass. I know I will. May be good for a third party though. Say what you want about Thompson, Huckabee, and Romney, but at least they have said or pledged to do something that limits illegal immigration other than amnesty.


176 posted on 01/20/2008 5:39:14 AM PST by Racer1
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To: sensible centrist from NH

McCain can’t beat any of the democrats. That’s why they, and the MSM, pimp him at every opportunity. He polarizes the Republicans and they will stay home.

If you’re really looking to beat the Clintons find another candidate because it’s not McCain.


177 posted on 01/20/2008 5:39:23 AM PST by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: PJ-Comix
You call getting behind Romney and the GOP who has been leaning leftward for since 2000' is going for the big win?

I don't think so.

For some of us it is game over.

178 posted on 01/20/2008 5:40:32 AM PST by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: Timeout

Pardon me for agreeing with your comment.

My bad.


179 posted on 01/20/2008 5:41:53 AM PST by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

McCain...because I’d rather have an American liberal moonbat scr@wing with my country than a cold calculating commie.


180 posted on 01/20/2008 5:42:34 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: HelloooClareece

Not true...all the national polls show McCain is the only one who can beat any of the dems.


181 posted on 01/20/2008 5:44:13 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: HelloooClareece

I’m sorry. It did sound like I was dismissing your comment.

I simply didn’t understand what you said.
Re-reading it, I think you’re saying Romney beats Clinton. But I’m still not sure.


182 posted on 01/20/2008 5:45:05 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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To: DakotaRed

“prepare for more socialism.”

and everything else that goes along with it.


183 posted on 01/20/2008 5:49:04 AM PST by ripley
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To: taildragger
For some of us it is game over.

The Chicken Little faction weighs in.

184 posted on 01/20/2008 5:50:06 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: TexasMatty

I feel I’m living in a Bizarro world. How can two libs be getting 2/3 of the primary vote in the Republican party?

Has GWB truly killed the party?


185 posted on 01/20/2008 5:50:22 AM PST by mike-zed
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To: mike-zed
The party elites killed the party...the real conservatives didn’t pass their altitude test.
186 posted on 01/20/2008 5:53:05 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Bobalu

“I can’t vote for Mclame or pHuckabee.
Romney I will hold my nose and vote for.”

That’s where I’m at. No way I’d ever vote for McCain. I’m no Romney fan, but I’ll vote for him over a Clinton any day.


187 posted on 01/20/2008 5:55:04 AM PST by Tom_Busch
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To: mike-zed
How can two libs be getting 2/3 of the primary vote in the Republican party?

Because 2/3 of the Republicans agree with them.

188 posted on 01/20/2008 5:55:18 AM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: TexasMatty

If you love Fred, don’t give up. This race is STILL WIDE OPEN! Keep pushing for Fred in any way you can. Write newspapers in Florida, make calls for Fred in Florida, donate to his truck, and talk to everyone you know. Every little bit we can do will help Fred. Be sure to spread the word about the debate coming up this Thursday, the 24th from Palm Beach. Fred will shine through once again as the only real conservative in the race! GO FRED, ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!


189 posted on 01/20/2008 5:55:54 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: TexasMatty

Hope for a brokered convention. Fred still has a chance.


190 posted on 01/20/2008 5:58:10 AM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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To: Clemenza
My family and I would vote for 3rd party over McCain. Not only is McCain the most liberal candidate, IMHO he also has mental problems.

We cannot have somebody in the White House whose is determined to damage this country. He is the MSM Candidate, the Amnesty Lobby Candidate, and perhaps the Manchurian Candidate.

He cruelly betrayed his first wife and he is eager to stick it to the US.

191 posted on 01/20/2008 5:58:27 AM PST by Dante3
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To: zerosix

Duncan ought to consider the possible run for Ca governor, then make another run at POTUS in 2012.


192 posted on 01/20/2008 5:59:26 AM PST by infidel29 (I'm pulling for Fred... The 6 of us just don't have a loud enough voice to "b" Duncan Hunter "ttt")
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

“this country is finished along with u.s. conservatism.”

maybe “inevitablity” is a basic undiscovered truth.

hillary! is inevitable, socialism is inevitable and all great republics come to an end from within.


193 posted on 01/20/2008 6:06:54 AM PST by ripley
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To: Bull Market

Unless things have changed a lot in the past few years, conservatives are about 20% of the voting public. That means conservatives are somewhere between 30 & 40% of the Republican ‘base’.

That’s a pretty large minority for the GOP to slap in the face. If only a quarter of those conservatives refuse to vote for the liberal or ‘moderate’ nominee on principle, the GOP will suffer the largest blowout loss since Mondales’s loss in 1984.

I am extremely sad to see this happening. Liberal and moderate Republicans compromise with Dimocrats far, far, more than they do with conservatives. The exceptions have happened when conservatives rise up and demand with loud voices that changes be made. But the natural tendency of liberal and moderate Republicans is to move leftward with legislation and appointments, not rightward.

I just hope we can maintain at least 41 votes in the Senate against the most egregious attempts in these two areas.


194 posted on 01/20/2008 6:08:58 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: bill1952

I can just visualize Hillary sending in the Florida National Guard with Madelyn Halfbright in the lead. Give me a break.

Eight years of Bill and Hillary gave us the USS Cole, Kobar Towers, the World Trade Center, Chinese missile technology (remember Loral?), Somalia, and Haiti, etc., etc., etc. The war against Islamo-fascism can be managed and won but not if we surrender first which is what Hillary or Obama will do.

Can’t you remember Mexican Nationals being registered to vote in California for Al Gore? Do you really believe that the left won’t do everything in their power to subvert the will of the people through crooked elections and dishonest judges? As Conservatives we may have limited influence on a Romney or McCain in the White House but would have none on a Hillary or Obama.

The game is never over if we don’t surrender first.


195 posted on 01/20/2008 6:09:10 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: PJ-Comix

Please don’ quit your day job, comedy is not your strong suit.


196 posted on 01/20/2008 6:09:30 AM PST by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: Bull Market
You do the best you can and fight for another day. But even with all the trash talking on these threads here at FR (and yes, I have been a member of FR for many years), any Republican is better than Clinton or Obama. Therefore you keep fighting for the best candidate left in the race in your mind, even if it is the best of what is left, and you vote for whomever is the nominee in the general election.

If we had a very conservative nominee win, what would we have told all the GOP moderates?

Conservatives must work harder to get one of our own to win next time. But you cannot give up just because the guy nominated is not conservative enough for you.

Any of the Repubs left will support the troops better (and I will be back in Iraq later this year), all will have more conservative social policy to some degree than the Dems, all will appoint more conservative judges, and all are at least marginally better on immigration. All miss out on one of the above at lease, but I will take a partial win in politics over a total loss any day--especially on the judge front. Anyway—take what you can get and get on with your own life—if we are truly conservative we believe we control our own destiny more than politicians control us anyway. Fight locally.

One man’s opinion anyway.

197 posted on 01/20/2008 6:10:04 AM PST by Proud Legions
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To: seekthetruth
If you love Fred, don’t give up. This race is STILL WIDE OPEN! Keep pushing for Fred in any way you can. Write newspapers in Florida, make calls for Fred in Florida, donate to his truck, and talk to everyone you know. Every little bit we can do will help Fred. Be sure to spread the word about the debate coming up this Thursday, the 24th from Palm Beach. Fred will shine through once again as the only real conservative in the race! GO FRED, ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!

And Harold Stassen still has a fighting chance!

198 posted on 01/20/2008 6:11:03 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Proud Legions

Sorry Bull,

I meant that last long post to be to the general group—didn’t mean to direct it at you.


199 posted on 01/20/2008 6:12:54 AM PST by Proud Legions
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To: mike-zed
>>Has GWB truly killed the party?<<

Yes. I say that after voting for him twice and volunteering on his campaign. Bush is serially incompetent and arrogant. He executed a failed war strategy and stuck by Rumsfeld for years as our troops needlessly died. He gave us a great tax cut but stole from our grandkids to pay for it. Millions were allowed to pour over the border even after 9-11 because the business lobby wanted cheap labor. He opened the floodgate of money for homeland security so that my local fire dept. could install a fitness gym with grants. He valued personal loyalty above all else and none of us called him on it. We lost the congress in 2006 and may lose the presidency in 2008 and will face the strongest left wing government since the 60s.

The only bright side is that Democrats always screw up when they are in the majority so hopefully we can all get our house in order and retake power in 2012. In the meantime, the only thing between us and socialism is the filibuster.

200 posted on 01/20/2008 6:13:25 AM PST by ParaVet93
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