Romney is a gun grabber so you can call that a preemptive straw-man.
Posted on 01/20/2008 1:18:25 AM PST by TexasMatty
As a Conservative I am lost. I will not, under any circumstances vote for John Mclame. He has sold Conservatives out. Nor will I vote for Jesus' favorite candidate Schmuckabee. I believe the most Conservative candidate is Thompson and can't help but wonder who is voting in these things. If Mclame or Schmuckabee is the nominee I can't vote. It will pain me deeply to not vote, but either of those clowns are no different from the lefty. Me question to my FRiends is.. WHAT THE HELL DO WE DO??? The situation seems rather desperate.
They will eat him like a waffle with jam and a side of willful toast.
Amen. :0)
And they held Fred in very long strategy talks which made Fred slow to enter the race.What are you talking about? Fred said back then -- and I supported him in his contention -- that he was on his "own timetable".
Fred turned out to be wrong about that. Accept it.
If Fred had played the game the way everybody else did -- on the new accelerated timetable -- I bet we would have seen a much different result in SC yesterday.
As much as I support Fred -- and I do, and I continue to -- I see it as a major strategy mistake in his campaign.
Congratulations! You’ve won today’s “longest rambling single sentence” award.
I think that’s true, in which case our best hope will be a 2010 Republican retaking of Congress with renewed conservative vigor, just like in 1994.
But then we’ll have to hope that we somehow learned our lesson and not run Bob Dole III (counting McCain ‘08 as Dole II). Either way, it doesn’t look good for Supreme Court appointments, though at least the first to go will be Stevens and Ginsburg, so there won’t be much immediate backsliding.
I'm a registered independent.
There's no reason for me to stay out of the political process which is destroying my country.
To paraphrase a Marine Colonel in Vietnam to all you folks torn by the duality of man and into that Jungian thing:
Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
Romney or McCain? If someone put the gun to your head and you absolutely had to choose.
Now where does that leave you in a general election, when neither candidate fills the bill? Well in that case, it seems that logic says that you vote for the lessor of evils!
Yes, the nomination process is important and a few votes can make the difference -- don't be a fair weather voter.
Romney cannot run away from his record, and that record is very close to Hillary’s platform itself, from gay marriage - great job in managment there - to forced health care for all.
Hell, they are too close to slip a piece of paper between, and the conservative base will fracture between those who will hold their noses and vote for him, and those who will not.
All of your posts are wide of that reality.
Hillary will even take Mitt’s own state, along with another 30 - 34.
I will hold my nose and vote for the nominee because to do otherwise is, objectively, a vote for marxism, abortion and anti americanism.
Yes, I know, but if nothing else...”it’s the Judges” which will far outlast any term of any of the candidates now running.
The media started this with Fred and Hunter from day one. The people have to see and get to know the candidates in order to vote for them. This is the way they control our elections.
-————Hillary is at the top of the ticket...we have to defeat the commie moles.—————
You don’t beat liberals by electing liberals. I’m sorry, that just doesn’t make logical sense.
-—————Are you aware of what this all means before you vote Dem?——————
Yes. I’m aware.
McCain will pass many of the same kinds of things that they would pass. And even though most americans have been talked into believing these kinds of things, the results will force them to revolt. If anybody(like McCain) is allowed to be the one passing such laws, that’s the end of conservatism as we know it because the media will make sure to run it into the ground that it was a conservative who forced global warming legislation down our throats and killed us.
If we’re going to be destroyed, I want a clearly known liberal to do it. Hillary. Obama. Edwards.
McCain isn’t our guy. But we can’t beat the media yet.
Yes, I know what I’m doing.
The media is bad, I’ll grant you that, but they don’t have the power to keep a Ronald Reagan (for example) down.
Fred did it to himself with his very bad decision (which I supported at the time) to do things his own way on his own timetable.
Turns out, Fred, when you’re dealing with a group activity, such as an election, it’s the group who makes the rules.
If we blame Fred’s defeat on the media, we are doing what the RATS do when they don’t get their way: crying like babies.
Fred screwed up. Face it like the men and women we are. I’m sure Fred is.
I continue to support Fred and urge him to go all the way to the convention where he will hopefully have some influence.
Rush Limbaugh has no problem with Mitt. Why should you?
Romney is a gun grabber so you can call that a preemptive straw-man.
My brother-in-law, who owns a business that employs 200 and who’s specialty makes his operation #3 nationally, lives in a ritzy part of town, owns 3 homes, 6 cars and thinks nothing of handing over cash for his wife who spends money like it’s going out of style...told me yesterday that he’s voting for Obama. He voted twice for Bush.
When I told him he’s the very group of people that Obama would target for income distribution, he blew me off and boasted how the whole neighborhood had Obama signs on their lawns. His neighborhood is one of high-income professionals who nonetheless, are riddled with liberal ideology.
When I asked him why he wouldn’t vote Republican, he started mouthing the “Change” mantra, not looking at the fact that part of the “change” would be coming out of his pockets and sent to D.C.
If Romney is the nominee, imagine the debate with Hillary.
On abortion:
Hillary: I am pro-choice and in fact my opponent was also at one time.
On taxes:
Hillary: I opposed the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and in fact, my opponent was also against them at one time.
On healthcare for all:
Hillary: I support and will fight for healthcare for all, just like my opponent did in Massachusetts.
In fact, he said the biggest difference between his plan and mine is that his became law!
I welcome his support for my plan.
On gays serving openly in the military:
Hillary: It is time to end ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’
In fact, you Mr. Romney, were all for ending that plan even before me and my husband.
You were ahead of the curve and supported gays being allowed to serve openly way back in 1994.
On a huge stimulus package:
Hillary: I want to spend 100 billion in an effort to bring the economy back from this recession!
My opponent wants to spend 100 billion over 5 years just on the automobile industry, so my plan is, in fact, a lot more fiscally responsible than his!
Perhaps. But I was looking for a straight, one name answer.
So........ if I ask again..........
Romney or McCain?
Stupid question.
I respect your devotion to your principles.
But please help me understand better.
Let’s say there are two candidates in November.
I’m exaggerating to make my point, but assume
both are pro-choice,
both support gay marriage,
both will raise taxes...
[ ] fill in domestic issues.
BUT:
One candidate believes national security is the most important issue and will govern accordingly.
The other candidate relies on domestic issues to hold his/her base together and tells us security threats are “overstated” and based on fear.
What would you do?
____________________________________________
Me? Domestic issues are important as hell, but I would still vote for the first guy. We can’t be naive and act as though our enemies will sleep-walk through a Dem presidency. They won’t. I have to go with the candidate who’s serious about national security.
In the meantime, the rest of us in the Republican party, as imperfect as you all point out ad nauseum, will be fighting to end the Clinton era.
Not to mention that if the economy is #1 in voters minds, and security in 2nd, then Romney walks away with the nomination.
Mitt knows how to make money, Hillary knows only how to spend it.
With an across the board media bias...yes they do. The Dem side is being controlled by a combo of media blackout and super delegates so if you think it's any better on their side you haven't been watching.
FR is all for complaining about media bias. That's what we do...that's why we are here for the most part.
And your point is......?
Four years will be to late. By then there could be more than 40 million illegals and if McCain gets in they will legalized and voting. What do you think things will be like then. If the republican party allows McCain to get the nomination, people will leave in mass. I know I will. May be good for a third party though. Say what you want about Thompson, Huckabee, and Romney, but at least they have said or pledged to do something that limits illegal immigration other than amnesty.
McCain can’t beat any of the democrats. That’s why they, and the MSM, pimp him at every opportunity. He polarizes the Republicans and they will stay home.
If you’re really looking to beat the Clintons find another candidate because it’s not McCain.
I don't think so.
For some of us it is game over.
Pardon me for agreeing with your comment.
My bad.
McCain...because I’d rather have an American liberal moonbat scr@wing with my country than a cold calculating commie.
Not true...all the national polls show McCain is the only one who can beat any of the dems.
I’m sorry. It did sound like I was dismissing your comment.
I simply didn’t understand what you said.
Re-reading it, I think you’re saying Romney beats Clinton. But I’m still not sure.
“prepare for more socialism.”
and everything else that goes along with it.
The Chicken Little faction weighs in.
I feel I’m living in a Bizarro world. How can two libs be getting 2/3 of the primary vote in the Republican party?
Has GWB truly killed the party?
“I can’t vote for Mclame or pHuckabee.
Romney I will hold my nose and vote for.”
That’s where I’m at. No way I’d ever vote for McCain. I’m no Romney fan, but I’ll vote for him over a Clinton any day.
Because 2/3 of the Republicans agree with them.
If you love Fred, don’t give up. This race is STILL WIDE OPEN! Keep pushing for Fred in any way you can. Write newspapers in Florida, make calls for Fred in Florida, donate to his truck, and talk to everyone you know. Every little bit we can do will help Fred. Be sure to spread the word about the debate coming up this Thursday, the 24th from Palm Beach. Fred will shine through once again as the only real conservative in the race! GO FRED, ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!
Hope for a brokered convention. Fred still has a chance.
We cannot have somebody in the White House whose is determined to damage this country. He is the MSM Candidate, the Amnesty Lobby Candidate, and perhaps the Manchurian Candidate.
He cruelly betrayed his first wife and he is eager to stick it to the US.
Duncan ought to consider the possible run for Ca governor, then make another run at POTUS in 2012.
“this country is finished along with u.s. conservatism.”
maybe “inevitablity” is a basic undiscovered truth.
hillary! is inevitable, socialism is inevitable and all great republics come to an end from within.
Unless things have changed a lot in the past few years, conservatives are about 20% of the voting public. That means conservatives are somewhere between 30 & 40% of the Republican ‘base’.
That’s a pretty large minority for the GOP to slap in the face. If only a quarter of those conservatives refuse to vote for the liberal or ‘moderate’ nominee on principle, the GOP will suffer the largest blowout loss since Mondales’s loss in 1984.
I am extremely sad to see this happening. Liberal and moderate Republicans compromise with Dimocrats far, far, more than they do with conservatives. The exceptions have happened when conservatives rise up and demand with loud voices that changes be made. But the natural tendency of liberal and moderate Republicans is to move leftward with legislation and appointments, not rightward.
I just hope we can maintain at least 41 votes in the Senate against the most egregious attempts in these two areas.
I can just visualize Hillary sending in the Florida National Guard with Madelyn Halfbright in the lead. Give me a break.
Eight years of Bill and Hillary gave us the USS Cole, Kobar Towers, the World Trade Center, Chinese missile technology (remember Loral?), Somalia, and Haiti, etc., etc., etc. The war against Islamo-fascism can be managed and won but not if we surrender first which is what Hillary or Obama will do.
Can’t you remember Mexican Nationals being registered to vote in California for Al Gore? Do you really believe that the left won’t do everything in their power to subvert the will of the people through crooked elections and dishonest judges? As Conservatives we may have limited influence on a Romney or McCain in the White House but would have none on a Hillary or Obama.
The game is never over if we don’t surrender first.
Please don’ quit your day job, comedy is not your strong suit.
If we had a very conservative nominee win, what would we have told all the GOP moderates?
Conservatives must work harder to get one of our own to win next time. But you cannot give up just because the guy nominated is not conservative enough for you.
Any of the Repubs left will support the troops better (and I will be back in Iraq later this year), all will have more conservative social policy to some degree than the Dems, all will appoint more conservative judges, and all are at least marginally better on immigration. All miss out on one of the above at lease, but I will take a partial win in politics over a total loss any day--especially on the judge front. Anyway—take what you can get and get on with your own life—if we are truly conservative we believe we control our own destiny more than politicians control us anyway. Fight locally.
One man’s opinion anyway.
And Harold Stassen still has a fighting chance!
Sorry Bull,
I meant that last long post to be to the general group—didn’t mean to direct it at you.
Yes. I say that after voting for him twice and volunteering on his campaign. Bush is serially incompetent and arrogant. He executed a failed war strategy and stuck by Rumsfeld for years as our troops needlessly died. He gave us a great tax cut but stole from our grandkids to pay for it. Millions were allowed to pour over the border even after 9-11 because the business lobby wanted cheap labor. He opened the floodgate of money for homeland security so that my local fire dept. could install a fitness gym with grants. He valued personal loyalty above all else and none of us called him on it. We lost the congress in 2006 and may lose the presidency in 2008 and will face the strongest left wing government since the 60s.
The only bright side is that Democrats always screw up when they are in the majority so hopefully we can all get our house in order and retake power in 2012. In the meantime, the only thing between us and socialism is the filibuster.
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