Skip to comments.Where does a Conservative go?(Vanity)
Posted on 01/20/2008 1:18:25 AM PST by TexasMatty
As a Conservative I am lost. I will not, under any circumstances vote for John Mclame. He has sold Conservatives out. Nor will I vote for Jesus' favorite candidate Schmuckabee. I believe the most Conservative candidate is Thompson and can't help but wonder who is voting in these things. If Mclame or Schmuckabee is the nominee I can't vote. It will pain me deeply to not vote, but either of those clowns are no different from the lefty. Me question to my FRiends is.. WHAT THE HELL DO WE DO??? The situation seems rather desperate.
I will not "settle". I will not "rationalize".
I did the "lesser of two evils" gig four years ago and eight years ago--got compassionate conservatism alright--AND LOOK AT OUR COUNTRY TODAY.
Not a second time.
To do so will only conform to the classic dictionary definition of insanity: to do the same things over and over again, expecting different results.
We have not had A GENUINE CONSERVATIVE ON THE TOP OF THE GOP TICKET FOR NEARLY 24 YEARS NOW--AND WE ARE TOLD TO "GET WITH THE TEAM" AND BE PATIENT AND OUR TURN WILL COME.
If I wait any longer, I will be dead.
So, I am keeping my powder dry and I will exercise a very, very independent vote in November based on a very, very independent rational and logical due-diligence process. I don't know that candidate's name just yet, but it will be stated in due time.
I’m not sure Huckleberry or McCain would appoint strong conservatives...wasn’t David Souter a product of a GOP administration?
Ur right, somewhere down the line conservatives have gotta show the moderates they can’t win elections without us.
One thing you are not hearing from the MSM is voter turnout in these cauci and primaries. That is because Dem turnout is horrible while Republican participation is spectacular.
You are hearing and seeing all this publicity about Hillary winning in Nevada. She lost to Hussein Osama 13 delegates to 12.
You are also not hearing that Republicans in Nevada, who had not caucused in the state precincts before (and caucuses at 9 AM on Saturday are never popular), turned out 4 to 1 over Democrats. Democrats had all the publicity and Republicans were not supposed to turn out because Romney was a shoe in.
What has happened to all these voter turnout percentages, registered voter/turnout ratios, Dem to Rep turnout comparisons?
I figure that might be the best way to show my support for his viewpoint, whether Fred stays in the fight or not.
I sent my 2nd contribution a short time ago. My "vote of support" is on the record.
I had previously sent a small contribution to Duncan Hunter.
I don't want to kick myself, someday down the line, because I didn't do anything to stop the slide to the left.
Come Now! Vote for Williard Mitty! He didn't mean that Abortion thing! Or that Tax thing! Or anything else you don't like. Look us in the eye. Say it with us! YES! - you wan't him to be President! Come on! Let us in your house (and show us your checkbook and underwear) - we will show you.
Hey man.....so....what? Chu no like Jon McCain? What yur problem man? You got sumthing in that jacket man? Listen man....McCain give me Amnesy man.....chu no like that? I'll F_ck you up man! #$^*^% You %^$%$#$!!!!!
Waz the matta with Huckabee? SHAAAZAM!
Lots of disappointment expressed herein. It’s certainly understandable on the day we seem to have lost both of the most conservative candidates. It’s a sad day for Reaganites like us.
But I’ve found a place where I’m a little more content than I was a few days ago when it became apparent to me Fred wasn’t going to make it. I was so disheartened, swearing I’d never vote for McCain and not excited about the others. (I don’t consider Huckabee a serious factor.)
And then it hit me. I care more about my country than I do about my political ideology. National security may have moved down in the polls, but it’s still my firewall...a candidate has to get past that before I’ll consider his/her other positions.
Bottom line: No Democrat can pass that test. Neither Hillary or Obama understands “peace through strength”. They and their party go out of their way to convince us the threat is overstated. They are not serious about the dangers we face.
So. I will put my disappointment behind me. I will vote for ANY Republican before allowing the peaceniks back in the Oval Office. Once I realized that I felt better.
THE PROBLEM IN THESE PRIMARIES ARE THE INDEPENDENTS!
WHY DO REPUBLICANS ALLOW INDEPENDENTS TO INFLUENCE THE SELECTION OF THEIR NOMINEE?
KEEP INDEPENDENTS OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES!
IT IS POLITICAL SUICIDE.
sory for yelling.
The media have picked our candidates before most of us have even been allowed to vote.
But the real problem is the interface between the GOP National Committee, the State GOP committees and the MSM.
They really made it very difficult for conservatives to get traction while encouraging kooks like Ron Paul. They purposefully wore down Fred's and Duncan's campaigns, the rope a dope startegy that sucks money and resources out while making it easy for others.
And they held Fred in very long strategy talks which made Fred slow to enter the race.
Its all about the future. And the GOP has decided to embrace a future unacceptable to conservative voters.
In short, the Republican party has become the covert enemy of conservatives. But they can be covert no longer.
The jig is up. I do not want a RINO future for America.
I will fight the Republican's anyway I can on this.
Yesterday the GOP made millions of implacable enemies. And they shrug it off. Believe me, they won't be shrugging after 7th Nov. 2008. Some will shoot themselves, literally.
The Republican party doesn't have a hope of winning next November against the $50 million plus war chest the Dems have, who have a minimum 52% popular vote, without the conservative wing of the Republican party.
The GOP has made its own bed, and they will have to lie in it, alone.
I have better things to do, and better places to go , than to keep the GOP company on their RINO riddled, tick filled mattresses, filled with the matted hair of the shriven, liberal socialist poseurs, they call candidates.
“Why do we as Conservatives have to settle?”
Because we are not the majority of the Republican party.
The independents have influenced the vote.
The next primaries are closed ones and should clear up who is going to represent the GOP.
I think Romney will beat McCain on that basis.
Once Huckabee and Thomson drop out, conservatives will go to the Romney camp to keep McCain out of the White House.
If McCain did pull plenty of the crossover vote here yesterday then the Dem primary plans to be really interesting here. New Hampshire all over again.
True, but we aren’t dispensable and if enough conservatives sit out on the 7th it may turn heads.
You will feel better until you realize that you have a Republican Peacenik in the oval office instead of a Democrat one.
Six of one and a half dozen of the other.
Depending on who the Republican Peacenik is, I may actually prefer the Democrat one.
Whatever you do, you can’t allow McCain to win.
From “McCain-Feingold” to amnesty for illegals, opposing the tax cuts of 2001, his constant sniping etc. this guy doesn’t cut it.
Vote against McCain so he can’t win.
Huckabee is fine with me as an alternative because at least he believes in something better than McCain, who’s a constant critic and RINO sniper.
McCain doesn’t even want freedom of speech in political campaigns, only the incumbent protection of McCain-Feingold.
Vote for the candidate in your state who has the most support next to McCain.
Romney would fit that bill in Utah, Massachusetts and probably Colorado on February 5th. I would vote for Romney in any state he chooses to contest that day.
Rudy needs to stay up, too.
Rudy must win the winner take all primary in New York on February 5th to deny McCain those delegates outright.
Huckabee should get votes in Arkansas and Oklahoma, the populist heartland on February 5th. I’d vote for him there again to deny McCain delegates outright.
Romney must break through in the Midwest. How about Missouri and maybe that native son of Missouri would get himself seriously involved in this to stop McCain.
His name inspired mine.
We tend to circle to the right before we go down. : (
Its time to vote tactically so McCain will lose.
We can’t let the media annoint candidates and tell us everyone else has lost.
It just kills me. It really seems this was planned in advance. Major states in play for primary delegates had their democrat delegates skipped with the concerted effort to move their primaries forward. Republicans had theirs, democrats did not. Democrats registered as Republicans, and leftist candidates got elected in Republican primaries.
Apparently the Hildebeast will have her day after all.
It's very difficult not to be full of cynicism this morning, FRiend...
If Thompson doesn’t make it, I’ll follow Ron Paul to third party.
I’d never vote for Huckabee and neither will most Arkansas conservatives. There’s a reason the Arkansas Republican Assembly endorsed Fred Thompson.
“Madame President” appointing Supreme Court Justices?...
You sure about that?
You can’t possibly believe Hillary or Obama would come close to McCain, Romney, or Guilliani on national security. The very essence of the Dems’ campaign is to put domestic issues above national security (because THEY know it’s their weak point).
I have my issues with all the GOP candidates. But to say they’re no stronger than the Dems on national defense is patently wrong.
I’d rather have Huck win down there to have to give his delegates to McCain so the whole world will know Huck was a shill rather than allow McCain to win and grab delegates outright.
Fred was buried tonight with some media members like Bill Sammon of the “Washington Examiner” yesterday suggesting Fred will endorse McCain.
This whole thing’s been surreal. Please forgive some of the saltier remarks, and me hijacking your vanity with a semi-vanity of my own. It’s me trying to have a sense of humor about a very bad situation.
The RNC started this whole nightmare last year at a Log Cabin sleepover. They jumped the shark when they pulled Rooty Julie-Annie out of the closet and tried to shove him down our throats.
The limousine set who really, really, REALLY care about tax cuts but not the rest of the platform bought-in. Nobody else did. The rest of us went into full-on bunker mode.
The Women’s Christian Temperance Union reconstituted itself as the Santimonious Soccer-Mommies for Huck. (Shhh... don’t tell them it was Christian leftists who brought us the NAZI Germany, Prohibition, and Al Capone among others). The secular left sees him as a tool to fracture the base, and move the GOP leftward. Huck has misunderestimated his newfound buddies in the MSM. They would put him down for the good of the revolution before he ever got a sniff of the White House.
The Huckaboom scared big ‘L’ Libertarians so bad they ran to the basement to take one last hit off the Hookabong with Dr. Paul before the JBT’s execute a no-knock warrant. Now that they’re stoned, they don’t realize they’re just whitewashing McCain’s fence instead of Huck’s.
The patriotic constitutional conservatives rode out with Tancredo and Hunter hoping to take San Juan Hill. Yeah, there’d be some casualties, but it had to be done. Hopelessly outgunned financially, and left out on a limb by their leadership to battle the MSM alone, it played out more like the Alamo.
The RNC realized they screwed up, and subbed-in Mittens. It wasn’t really Rudy’s liberal record that put conservatives off, they reasoned, but the X-rated cover it came in. Quite a few saw through the ruse. Does Romney even believe his own white papers? He’s got about as much following as Rudy did before the base wised-up (minus a few who won’t bend over for man-dates).
The adults came to their senses and asked Fred to put the pieces back together. He’s the last hope to take down the Rats and their inside man, McVain. Good man for the job, but he’s trying to do it on short notice.
Who benefits? The Dems. The enemedia was pimping Rudy for a reason. After he served his purpose, they started waving Huck and Romney in our faces. Classic subterfuge. They wanted to keep the breach in our defenses open long enough for their mole McCain to infiltrate the command center. Mission accomplished as of 19 January. Look for a massive publicity blitz for McCain now.
They’ll run Huck and Mittens over as soon as they’re sure Thompson has no chance at taking enough delegates to turn the tide. Once Thompson’s out, they can pitch those two in the dumpster where they dispose of the aborted fetuses.
The general will be a cakewalk. There’s already not much difference between McCain and Hillary. She’ll run to the right on Iraq in the general, and there will be NO difference left in the minds of ‘swing-voters’. The hard-core commies will pitch a fit, but they know Hillary’s their meal ticket. They will vote themselves into our pocketbook as usual.
Then the MSM just has to wait for the right moment and unhinge the Manchurian Candidate on national TV. Not too soon or he’ll have time to recover. 4 weeks before election time sounds about right.
If there’s going to be a nominee who doesn’t respect the constitution and would be a disaster, i’d much rather it be in the name of liberalism than in the name of populism desguised as conservatism.
Pastor Huckleberry and McCain haven’t convinced me that they will appoint conservatives. Souter was a GOP nominee remember
lol that ain’t right!! haha
What’s wrong with Romney??
(I intend that, as a rhetorical question)
I see all this hand-wringing, and I see a candidate who’s got strong faith and family values, business leadership experience and is as electable as any Republican in the last 20 years.
Romney can beat anyone the Dems run!
Conservatives have to settle. My settling process will involve voting for the candidate whose position I like, the party affiliation will not matter a twit anymore.
Thats how this conservative will settle.
Conservatives have to settle.
But it is a mistake to believe that conservatives must settle within the Republican party, which has in many cases, candidates who differ very little form Democrat candidates.
My settling process will involve voting for the candidate whose position I like, the party affiliation will not matter a twit anymore.
Thats how this conservative will settle.
I didn’t cause that problem, the GOP did.
I wanted Hunter from day 1.
Romney’s a good candidate.
It isn’t “six of one and a half dozen of the other.” The end of the world, sky is falling, chicken little types seem to always forget how much damage a Jimmy Carter clone in the White House can do to our foreign policy. Be realistic and admit that the worst Republican (and you get to choose which one that is) is going to be better on the war than Hillary or Hussein.
It’s easy to be pessimistic right now. We may never see another Reagan in our lifetime be President. Hell, we may never even see another Bush in our lifetime be President, but we can’t stop or give up. The struggle continues until we die.
Romney’s a pro-choice Mass liberal. I’m not voting for him.
As far as my support, I’m faithful to the Declaration and the Constitution, not to some party. Like it or not, Ron Paul is more consistent in that regard than anyone else. He has his flaws (BIG ONES), but he’s light years better than a RINO, especially on domestic policy.
Goldwater lives! That’s where I’ll go if Thompson doesn’t make it.
They betrayed the party and betrayed America.
This is the result.
Just have to hunker down and weather the storm...
I think Romney has taken some positions in Mass, which he needed to take, in order to win there.
George Bush, has taken some postions, which I’m still furious about, but he’s a darn sight better than Kerry would have been.
I’ll confess to being more libertarian, than many here, and I don’t mean to express anything other than my honest belief, that Romney seems to this poster, to have the qulities to be an excellent President.
And he can win.
He can beat Hillary. He can beat Obama.
With the right VP, he could inspire many here on this board, who seem to be doing to Romney, exactly what we’ve seen others doing to Hunter, and Fred Thompson.
He's a liar and a fake. Don't be fooled.
I know a "great family man" from the same faith pool. He is currently living with his male lover after leaving his wife and two sons. Everyone thought he was wonderful on the surface as well.
Look into his record and wakeup! Check the Romney truth file at the top of the FR forum page. The man is a sleazy and greasy Democrat and he is fooling a lot of conservatives with his front.
The “same faith pool”?
Is that code, or something?
Perhaps. But is domestic policy the ultimate issue?
It may seem trite, but in the end I think it boils down to:
You wake up one day next year and the headlines say "Iran has the Bomb!". Whom do you want in the Oval Office that day?
You may disagree, but for me THAT trumps all my discontent with the GOP candidates on domestic issues. It scares me to death thinking of Hillary or Obama in charge of national security.
Did you check the Romney truth file already? Wow..you are such a quick study. /s
I don’t take direction well. :)
Deal with it.
I know waht you are saying but I have a longer memory than you do. I remember that a short while ago our nation in 2004 voted conservatives into congress to from a majority in both the House and the Senate. Their legislative agenda was tarduced bu 14 Senators known as the gang of 14. Seven of those were Republicans, who together thwarted the elective will of a nation.
The conservative movement failed. There is a reason why the electorate is not voting conservative.
And so I willvote candidate by candidate, since there is no hope for a resurtgeance for cnservatives to form a government in the next congress or to take the executive office.
In my State , I will vote those closest to my conservative position on issues of personal import.
Like I said, I will no longer vote a straight Republican ticket like I have for 25 years.
As far as the presidency goes, I can say with certainty that the Republican Party will lose the presidency in November. They no longer have conservative voters as a cohisive electoral part of the Republican party, which means many former conservatives will be voting either independant or democrat as they have done in the primaries.
The jig is up my friend, and millions of us yesterday have jumped off the Republican hook.
And there is nothing ANYONE can do about it now.
We warned, we cajoled, we pleaded and no one listened. So grin and bear it. "Progressiveness" is a female dog! And if I must be a "progressive" by "force majeure" no bunch of two bit mavins and their MSM running dogs in Washington will direct my evolution in it.
And I am legion.
No one can stand on moving ground.
Yesterday made it certain that one of them will be president, and your greatest fears are NOW realized.
The race for the presidency is now over.
OK but while I’m considering reading your file, you might brush up on saying:
Because it looks to me, that Romney’s about the only thing standing right now, between Hillary and the Whitehouse.
Actually McCain is the only one that polls nationally to win against the Hildabeast (not that I’m for him either).