Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

What's Next For Thompson?
News Channel 5 ^ | Jan 19, 2008 | NewsChannel5.com

Posted on 01/20/2008 2:27:30 AM PST by counterpunch

COLUMBIA, S.C.- John McCain was the winner of Saturday's South Carolina primary. Mike Huckabee came in second. Fred Thompson came in third, followed closely by Mitt Romney.

This is a victory that eluded McCain in 2000, and if history is a guide, may have set him on course to become the GOP presidential nominee. No Republican since 1980 has won the party's nod without a win in the first-in-the-South primary.

Saturday's primary loss was clearly a big disappointment for Fred Thompson, but you never would have picked up on that when you heard him speak to his supporters.

"Well, it may be a little early to declare victory, I am not sure," Thompson joked. "We told our folks to vote late, so they'll be trickling in I am sure."

So a lot of folks are now weighing in on Fred Thompson's political future. One political expert from Tennessee weighs in.

"I think he is through if he doesn't do well here, I think he has said so. Even a second place finish won't do," said Jackson Baker, Memphis Flyer.

"This is a gun show he just attended, if he can't get votes from this crowd, in this state which is probably the most conservative state in the union probably, then his message just probably won't play anywhere else," said Baker.

Thompson spent more time campaigning in South Carolina than anyone else. An army of Tennessee Volunteers also came through. They sent out a scripted message to undecided voters.

In South Carolina, apparently, Thompson's message did not catch on. Fred Thompson, however, was far from making any sort of statement about bowing out of the presidential race. Thompson returned home to Virginia Saturday night. His campaign most likely is regrouping, and gearing up for another big fight in the Florida Primary.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; sc2008
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-233 next last
To: Huck

I’m pro-business and therefore not a supply sider. And two reasons for this.

1) Putting Tax-cuts and Deficit spending together and fed complacency is like giving a High School Athlete a combination of steroids and cocaine - the short term performance will be great, but the crash is going to be awful. The Government flooded too much money into the financial market causing mini-bubbles from stocks to housing to bonds to sub-prime.

2) Deficit spending makes government services look cheap, and when somethings cheap you just want to start buying more of it. “Medicaid “reform” - sure what the heck, I’m not paying for it...” “Farm Subsidies - sure what the heck, I’m not paying for it...” “Bridge to nowhere - sure what the heck, I’m not paying for it...”

But the second we say
You want “Medicaid Reform” that’s going to cost you $200 extra a year.
You want “Farm Subsidies” that’s going to be an extra $250 per year.
You want “Bridge to nowhere” that’s an extra $50 bucks per year?

And suddenly the taxpayer is going to say? “Oh heck no!” And spending will go down.


101 posted on 01/20/2008 8:14:41 AM PST by Philly Nomad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: murron

“No, what happened is the media started pushing Huckabee, and once that happened, Fred’s numbers started dropping and Huckster’s started rising. I think that definitely hurt Fred.”

Yes. Shameful that Huck got all that attention, when he’s clearly a) too liberal b) not too bright and c) unelectable. Fred Thompson outshines him in every way except he doesn’t wrap himself in the Bible.

I’d be very curious to know what Huck’s SAT scores were... ;-)


102 posted on 01/20/2008 8:17:53 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 99 | View Replies]

To: aj7360
I do believe that only McCain will be able to get enough independent and swing votes to BEAT HILLARY.

While McCain might get the independent votes, he will lose the core of the GOP conservative base. These will offset, and he will get creamed. Same goes for Rudy. Huckabee will lose the fiscal conservatives and conservatives with any amount of real intelligence, which after viewing these first few primaries one might wonder how big a percentage that really is. But for argument sake, let's assume it is significant. That leaves us with Romney, who has argued during this presidential race all the right positions. But many conclude he is insincere or at least not conservative in his gut.

Without Thompson, this is looking pretty grim.

103 posted on 01/20/2008 8:24:44 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Grunthor

“Are those swing and indies enough to make up for the the conservatives that will sit home in DROVES and watch your party go down in flames?”

Whatever.

Since they don’t know how to get along with others, who needs ‘em?

Politics has always been about compromise.... not intolerance.

They are as bad the far left.


104 posted on 01/20/2008 8:26:24 AM PST by aj7360
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: aj7360

“Since they don’t know how to get along with others, who needs ‘em?”

Funny. I bet people just like yourself asked the same question around September/October 2006.


105 posted on 01/20/2008 8:30:06 AM PST by Grunthor (No Juan. No Huckaliar. Not primary, not general, not ever.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: PreciousLiberty
Really would you...? why do you think he is "not too bright?" because he does not agree with you....to any objective observer it is plain that huckabee is very intelligent .... your just like the liberals... If I don’t agree with them, if they are Christians, if they are southern then they are stupid...
106 posted on 01/20/2008 8:38:23 AM PST by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

Comment #107 Removed by Moderator

To: fortheDeclaration
Ofcourse, Rudy could do well in Florida

Doubtful...I suspect that this week's polling data will show all of Rudy's rino supporters fleeing to the McPain camp.

108 posted on 01/20/2008 8:45:14 AM PST by rhinohunter (Thompson/Steele '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Tennessean4Bush
What is wrong with you all! It was as plain as the nose on your face in the last debate and the days that followed,that Thompson was in the "employ" of McCain.

McCain needed South Carolina to emerge as the front runner..Thompson delivered it to him...Thompson spent the last week excoriating Huckabee, who was McCain's only threat in South Carolina....Are you so naive that you think Thompson does not have a polling staff... he knew exactly where he would land, who didn't?

Thompson is establishment....the republican establishment will not have Huckabee....because..by golly ...if we have to choose between moderate Christian and a moderate maverick...the establishment is going for the maverick....

The social conservatives have been the trained dogs of the republican party...we get a bone now and then to keep us under the table. But there is no jumpping up and sitting at the table.....thats where the money and the power sit.

109 posted on 01/20/2008 8:52:09 AM PST by reflecting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]

To: Grunthor

You’re right. You guys are always right. Thanks for correcting me.


110 posted on 01/20/2008 8:52:12 AM PST by aj7360
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 105 | View Replies]

To: aj7360
Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriends wife....will be exposed in the POTUS debates....IF, she makes it that far.

Obama will never be POTUS....too many closet racists in the DemoSocialistLyingliberal Party.

111 posted on 01/20/2008 8:57:53 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: counterpunch

Don’t be fooled by this crap.

Nothing is as it was. The world has changed, our Nation has changed.

Even the demographics of the South has changed dramatically. Did the 2000 Census not teach us anything? Did the last mid-terms not teach us anything?

Left of center Republicans, democraps, and in betweeners have flooded the South. Did’nt anyone notice the accents of the people interviewed by the MSM? Most weren’t Southerners.

Traditional wisdom and a $1.25 will get you a glass of sweet tea at the Waffle House, but it won’t give you reliable insight into the South, or this political race.

Hanging tough for FRed!


112 posted on 01/20/2008 9:14:26 AM PST by papasmurf (I'm voting for FRed, even if I have to write him in.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: counterpunch
I just don't see FL as a great indicator of anything. The voting is well underway there already. Giuliani well do well there.

I just don't think Huckleberry is an issue. He will not get enough delegates. There are too many states where his travelin' salvation show just won't fly.

Don't know about Romney. He seems to spend so much and campaign so long and get so little in return.

McCain could be a danger, but there is no need to cede anything to him until states where Republicans choose the Republican candidate are heard from.

I'm am very disappointed with FDT showing in SC, but I by no means think his candidacy is dead.

The snake handler muddied the waters in SC but he can't hang on.

FDT supporters need to hang in at least through 02/05. What's wrong with us if we just throw him under the bus now?

This primary schedule is an abomination that lends itself to actual media interference with the process by basically allowing them to be the voice of the campaign because it's not possible for candidates to spend any real time in so many places in such a compressed time frame. People need to hear from the candidates and know their positions in a time frame which is in proximity to the time of the elections.

Perhaps FDT won't prevail but I will not abandon him so early in this blighted process. The stakes are too high.

Neither McCain nor Romney can beat Clinton. She will be the nominee. Obama is just a media sideshow to create imagined conflict.

For all the talk about McCain bringing independents, he will not get the support of the Republican base. He's another Bob Dole, only less honorable.

Good chance Thompson can't beat Clinton either, given what appears to be his ineffective campaign style, so far. But there is a chance he ill rise to the occasion. He is an honorable man and I would rather fight and lose by his side than embrace the mediocrity or outright dishonor of the other options.

113 posted on 01/20/2008 9:29:00 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Dick Vomer
I agree. If he stays in, I will stick with him. But I don't put much sock in FL since the voting, there, has been underway for a while.

Seems almost a waste to invest limited time and resources there unless he's already established a viable apparatus there.

114 posted on 01/20/2008 9:32:16 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: syriacus

The Thompson naysayers flocking to this thread are actually in the minority here.

At this time, according to the FR poll, over 60% of the 1700+ respondents, including members and nonmembers, are either staying with Thompson or moving TO Thompson.

This man has strong, loyal conservative support. The others only have a faction to try to ride and a ceiling beyond that because of baggage and high negatives. In the end, Fred will be the last man standing if we can keep him in the race.


115 posted on 01/20/2008 9:35:53 AM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator
I don't know about news programs but he surely had ample time and tacit support on national radio talk shows and in some cases outright support. So much for the power of talk radio.

They did what they could to wan the morons about McCain and Brother love. But to no avail.

116 posted on 01/20/2008 9:45:04 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: isrul

“Don’t know about Romney. He seems to spend so much and campaign so long and get so little in return.”

Huh? He has the most delegates, by a far margin. He want from an unknown to a three-time winner and current leader.


117 posted on 01/20/2008 9:50:22 AM PST by enough_idiocy (Thompson/Romney '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: papasmurf

You Fred guys make me laugh. Do you think all it takes is get out of bed make a few nice speeches and all the sudden your a president.

To win, it takes years of preparation, planning and organization. Even McCain knows that. He has been working for years to get this nomination. The same with all the others that are contenders. You make light of Rudy, Mitt, and Huck but they have done all the things that they needed to do.

As far as character goes, I don’t know much about Fred but I think anyone his age that is fathering children, especially after having cancer is a selfish old fart and irresponsible to boot.

You spend a lot of time saying bad things about Romney, a man that has never enriched himself through his connection with government, has been a faithful husband and from all reports a remarkable father, and outstanding businessman and a problem solver. He is vigorous, well organized and smart.

Has he changed his mind or made statements at don’t fit on a bumper sticker, sure. He has competed in every contest so far and done well every time. He will win in Florida and he will beat either Hillary or Barack without any doubt. Even the regular dems are against illegal immigration and I think most would hate to have a Clinton in the White House.

I think Fred is a nice fellow to go hunting with or have a beer with but I want a real leader running the country.


118 posted on 01/20/2008 9:50:36 AM PST by calvo (Your strength isn't what you can do, but what you can endure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 112 | View Replies]

To: Finalapproach29er
No. Actually not weird at all. Merits thought.
119 posted on 01/20/2008 9:51:52 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: dark_lord

You’re absolutely right about the media providing the major impressions. Now more than ever with this compressed time frame for the primaries.


120 posted on 01/20/2008 9:54:19 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: calvo
I don’t know much about Fred but... Ya' lost me right there. An 8 year FReeper, and you don't know much about FRed? You vote for your guy, I'll vote for mine. Just remember, you'll get what you asked for. I know from experience.
121 posted on 01/20/2008 9:55:39 AM PST by papasmurf (I'm voting for FRed, even if I have to write him in.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: skipper18
Is McCain really the “front runner”? Or is that just a MSM myth? Has he won more delegates than anyone else?
122 posted on 01/20/2008 9:58:31 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: Pining_4_TX

I’m willing to cut him some slack. I don’t want someone who is rabidly obsessed with the lust for power. I just want an honorable man who is willing to serve.


123 posted on 01/20/2008 10:03:05 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: Past Your Eyes
Do the churches in the south have that kind of herd mentality?

no, but utterly uninformed freepers get off thinking that

meanwhile does anyone even bother to ask if it was ok that Romney got probably 100% of the Mormon vote in Nevada?...and that they came out to vote 4 fold more so than non-Mormons?

is it bigoted for and herd mentality for Mormons to vote for their kind?

124 posted on 01/20/2008 10:03:22 AM PST by wardaddy (Hey toe sucker Dicker Morris...you schlub.....kiss my proud Dixie butt you beyatch)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: counterpunch
in this state which is probably the most conservative state in the union probably

Not anymore.

What an embarrasment. They were fooled by this white haired back stabber.

125 posted on 01/20/2008 10:06:18 AM PST by Regulator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: murron

I think he has 8.


126 posted on 01/20/2008 10:07:14 AM PST by samtheman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: alreadythere
Can’t really disagree with anything you said. Except, that although I could, reluctantly vote for Romney or Giuliani, I might not really bother.
127 posted on 01/20/2008 10:07:29 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

To: rhinohunter
I bet half the people in FL are transplanted New Yorkers. Giuliani will do Okay.
128 posted on 01/20/2008 10:15:20 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 108 | View Replies]

To: calvo

Fred mismanaged his campaign just like he mismanaged the ChinaGate investigations. No surprises anywhere.


129 posted on 01/20/2008 10:15:42 AM PST by jimbo123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 118 | View Replies]

To: reflecting

So what reward does Thompson get out of this.


130 posted on 01/20/2008 10:17:08 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 109 | View Replies]

To: ought-six
" I do not believe a majority of the American people have become so suicidal. Oh, 40% have; but not 50.1% "

48% voted for John F'ing Kerry in 2004. I think that that number has increased since.

131 posted on 01/20/2008 10:18:58 AM PST by matthew fuller (Fred Thompson/ John Bolton 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: counterpunch

It’s not true that Fred Thompson did not catch on. What is true is that he was catching on, and changing minds, just toward the end. If he had had more time and better campaign organization, I think his message would have made it across.

I think that his competitor was Huckabee in SC, and I do think that slowly people have been realizing that being noisily Christian is NOT an important point on the resume of a presidential candidate. And that just because someone is an avowed Christian does not preclude voters examining his OTHER characteristics and record. With a proper look at Huckabee, voters would have turned to the one true conservative in the race, Fred Thompson.

I am sad they didn’t.


132 posted on 01/20/2008 10:20:01 AM PST by Yaelle (If Fred loses it's our loss. Not his.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: aj7360
Politics has always been about compromise.... not intolerance.

use of that politically correct code word is sad....."intolerance"......just shows how deep PC cuts in our culture that folks think having one's own stubborn views is now INTOLERANCE...lol

a better word would be ....Politics has always been about compromise not obstinacy or intransigence.

133 posted on 01/20/2008 10:21:44 AM PST by wardaddy (Hey toe sucker Dicker Morris...you schlub.....kiss my proud Dixie butt you beyatch)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: upsdriver

But do you have cute legs? That’s all that matters to me. :)


134 posted on 01/20/2008 10:22:45 AM PST by Yaelle (If Fred loses it's our loss. Not his.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: enough_idiocy
Doesn’t matter. It’s no big deal. McCain is the front runner and he spent less. The point is what Romney has, be it spun as a tremendous lead or ignored by the media doesn’t mean much,at the moment, in this compressed and distorted primary process. Romney obviously thinks the cost is worth it, but he really isn’t running away with anything.
135 posted on 01/20/2008 10:24:42 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 117 | View Replies]

To: samtheman
Fred should stay in even if he has no chance of winning. He should be a voice, and a group of bargaining delegates, at the convention.

Absolutely! This is key. And I hope he WOULD consider the Veep role. He's a lot younger than he looks.

136 posted on 01/20/2008 10:25:54 AM PST by Yaelle (If Fred loses it's our loss. Not his.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy

Everyone seems to vote for and support their own kind, blighted or otherwise, except conservatives.


137 posted on 01/20/2008 10:28:25 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 124 | View Replies]

To: counterpunch

I’ll write in Fred if the Pubs don’t nominate him. Period.


138 posted on 01/20/2008 10:34:02 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Thompson Democrats)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: counterpunch

I agree.

Stay the course Fred!

This thing is not over!


139 posted on 01/20/2008 10:34:11 AM PST by SoConPubbie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Route66

“At this time, according to the FR poll, over 60% of the 1700+ respondents, including members and nonmembers, are either staying with Thompson or moving TO Thompson.
This man has strong, loyal conservative support. The others only have a faction to try to ride and a ceiling beyond that because of baggage and high negatives. In the end, Fred will be the last man standing if we can keep him in the race.”

Drink the Kool Aid much?


140 posted on 01/20/2008 10:35:09 AM PST by snarkybob (')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 115 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator
Counterpunh, I love your enthusiasm for Fred and it is commendable, but we have been hearing this song and dance since September...even before when we thought he would get in July. The first debate was supposed to bump his campaign, then we had all those “white papers”, then it was the red truck, then it was some you tube videos, then it was another debate, then it was the south, now we are saying be patient for Florida? People just did not get excited about Fred outside of Free Republic and some other conservative websites. What is your feeling? He should win Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi...other than that? I don’t know.

Coming from a Hunter supporter who hung there to the end, this is kind of hypocritical coming from you!
141 posted on 01/20/2008 10:35:25 AM PST by SoConPubbie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: AlaskaErik

And replace it with what?


142 posted on 01/20/2008 10:35:41 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Thompson Democrats)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: PreciousLiberty
Thompson got comparatively little coverage, and a lot of that had a “look how bad he’s doing” slant. If all the media does is say a candidate is losing, it’s hard to change that momentum.

This is very true. It is a part, a significant part, of why Fred did not do better.

We can prove this by comparing how many stories were written or comments were spoken about how badly John Edwards was doing, and how his campaign was dead, and how he needs to drop out. I haven't found any.

143 posted on 01/20/2008 10:35:44 AM PST by Yaelle (We should have chosen Fred.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: MomwithHope

“Change” is what the presidency will be worth with a liberal in office.


144 posted on 01/20/2008 10:38:16 AM PST by Yaelle (We should have chosen Fred.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator; All

My wife and I just completed and mailed our Florida ballot.
It may only be two votes but if others would join us for Fred Dalton Thompson then we could have a True Conservative as POTUS. Don’t blame me when Hillary or anyone of her equals()MITT,GULI,JOHN M,HUCKSTER,OBAMA,or John E is in the WH.


145 posted on 01/20/2008 10:46:20 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Islam doesn't "do" normal!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: isrul
"FDT supporters need to hang in at least through 02/05. What's wrong with us if we just throw him under the bus now?"

At this point, it is not a matter of FDT supporters hanging on. It is a matter of FDT deciding if he is going to hang on.

146 posted on 01/20/2008 10:48:04 AM PST by 2111USMC (www.Fred08.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: Grunthor
"Are those swing and indies enough to make up for the the conservatives that will sit home in DROVES and watch your party go down in flames? "

As a conservative, I think that the best of all scenarios will be the death of the current republican party.

147 posted on 01/20/2008 10:51:44 AM PST by matthew fuller (Fred Thompson/ John Bolton 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 100 | View Replies]

To: 2111USMC
To the best of my knowledge, he hasn’t announced his withdrawal. Without that I must conclude that he is still a candidate.
148 posted on 01/20/2008 10:56:02 AM PST by isrul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 146 | View Replies]

To: isrul
Well I certainly hope and pray that he continues to be.

(His SC speech last night scared the livin’ crap out of me.)

149 posted on 01/20/2008 11:02:53 AM PST by 2111USMC (www.Fred08.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 148 | View Replies]

To: 2111USMC

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/

FOX NEWS wants to know if Fred should drop out


150 posted on 01/20/2008 11:04:42 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 149 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200201-233 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson