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What's Next For Thompson?
News Channel 5 ^ | Jan 19, 2008 |

Posted on 01/20/2008 2:27:30 AM PST by counterpunch

COLUMBIA, S.C.- John McCain was the winner of Saturday's South Carolina primary. Mike Huckabee came in second. Fred Thompson came in third, followed closely by Mitt Romney.

This is a victory that eluded McCain in 2000, and if history is a guide, may have set him on course to become the GOP presidential nominee. No Republican since 1980 has won the party's nod without a win in the first-in-the-South primary.

Saturday's primary loss was clearly a big disappointment for Fred Thompson, but you never would have picked up on that when you heard him speak to his supporters.

"Well, it may be a little early to declare victory, I am not sure," Thompson joked. "We told our folks to vote late, so they'll be trickling in I am sure."

So a lot of folks are now weighing in on Fred Thompson's political future. One political expert from Tennessee weighs in.

"I think he is through if he doesn't do well here, I think he has said so. Even a second place finish won't do," said Jackson Baker, Memphis Flyer.

"This is a gun show he just attended, if he can't get votes from this crowd, in this state which is probably the most conservative state in the union probably, then his message just probably won't play anywhere else," said Baker.

Thompson spent more time campaigning in South Carolina than anyone else. An army of Tennessee Volunteers also came through. They sent out a scripted message to undecided voters.

In South Carolina, apparently, Thompson's message did not catch on. Fred Thompson, however, was far from making any sort of statement about bowing out of the presidential race. Thompson returned home to Virginia Saturday night. His campaign most likely is regrouping, and gearing up for another big fight in the Florida Primary.

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To: isrul

McCain is the front runner with just about half the delegates? You sound like the MSM.

You said he had nothing to show for it, he does - 3 victories and a lead by nearly two fold. No one said he was running away with anything.

151 posted on 01/20/2008 11:14:59 AM PST by enough_idiocy (Thompson/Romney '08)
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To: bill1952

“I do not believe a majority of the American people have become so suicidal. Please be sitting down on Nov 5th.”

Re-read my post: I specifically said a majority of Americans are NOT suicidal.

152 posted on 01/20/2008 11:17:43 AM PST by ought-six
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To: wardaddy

Is that how you explain Harry Reid? I just don’t get it.

153 posted on 01/20/2008 11:32:33 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: buckalfa
"that being abortion."

So which candidates of the top 3 or 4 are "pro choice"? Interesting that being joined on this issue somehow becomes herd mentality, unless I read your answer wrong, which is a distinct possibility.

154 posted on 01/20/2008 11:40:02 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: CASchack


155 posted on 01/20/2008 11:42:02 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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Fred has real chances in FL. and Ca. and a lot of other states,people will line up with Fred the longer it goes,then the herd mentality will kick in and Fred will be in the drivers seat

156 posted on 01/20/2008 11:42:15 AM PST by coalman (type to slow to be relevant,but I try)
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To: reflecting
Every time a Huckster spams that "stalking horse" nonsense, I'm going to spam this:

Conservatism v. Huckabee

Count 1: Weakest in the Republican field on immigration

Exhibit A: Huckabee calls immigration bill "un-Christian, anti-life"

(Arkansas Senate Bill 206 would have denied state benefits to illegal aliens, required proof of citizenship to vote, and require state agencies to report illegal aliens.)

Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, "I don't understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state," Huckabee said.

"Something that's not worth sharing is not worth celebrating," Huckabee said. "This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude."

(Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says, Arkansas News Bureau, 01/28/2005)

He said the bill could hurt the state's ability to recruit industries based in countries outside the U.S., such as Toyota or Nestle, a Swiss company.

"If we send a message that essentially if you don't look like us, talk like us and speak like us we don't want you, it has tremendous economic repercussions," Huckabee said.

(Huckabee, callers go toe-to-toe on immigration, Arkansas News Bureau, 02/03/2005)

Exhibit B: Huckabee promotes "open door" policy at LULAC convention

LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life.


Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population."


The Republican governor, who many believe will run for president in 2008, also backed legislation that would have opened the door for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to receive college scholarships.

House Bill 1525 by Rep. Joyce Elliott, D-Little Rock, was approved by the House but eventually failed in the Senate. Huckabee reiterated Wednesday that he believes every child, regardless of their parent's immigration status, should have an opportunity to receive an education in the U.S.

"I ... believe that an education for every child is the most important single factor to give everyone to be their very best," he said.

(Huckabee promotes "open door" policy at LULAC convention, Arkansas News Bureau, 01/30/2005)

Exhibit C: Huckabee threatens to sue feds over ID rules

WASHINGTON (AP) — States are threatening to challenge in court and even disobey new orders from Congress to start issuing more uniform driver's licenses and verify the citizenship or legal status of people getting them.


"Governors are looking at all their options. If more than half of the governors agree we're not going down without a fight on this, Congress will have to consider changing this unfunded federal mandate," said Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, vice chairman of the National Governors Association. A Huckabee aide said the options include court action.

(States may disobey new ID rules, fight them in court, USA Today, 05/10/2005)

Exhibit D: Immigration group: Huckabee a 'disaster'

Groups that support a crackdown on illegal aliens haven't settled on their champion in the race for the White House, but there's little doubt which Republican scares them most — former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

"He was an absolute disaster on immigration as governor," said Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a group that played a major role in rallying the phone calls that helped defeat this year's Senate immigration bill. "Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens."

As Mr. Huckabee rises in the polls, his opponents are beginning to take shots at him on immigration. Just as problematic for the former Arkansas governor, however, is that the independent interest groups that track the issue are also giving him the once-over, and don't like what they see.

"Huckabee is the guy who scares the heck out of me," said Peter Gadiel, president of 9-11 Families for a Secure America, a group instrumental in fighting for the REAL ID Act that sets federal standards for driver's licenses.

(Immigration group: Huckabee a 'disaster', By Stephen Dinan, Washington Post, November 30, 2007)

Exhibit E: Illegals foes reject nod to Huckabee

Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist's endorsement of presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has spurred a backlash among illegal-immigration opponents who say the former Arkansas governor is soft on immigration enforcement.

"Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a path to citizenship for illegal aliens currently in the U.S. that would require a lifting of current penalties," said William Gheen, whose 25,000-member Americans for Legal Immigration sent mass mailings yesterday to more than 300 pro-enforcement groups.

"Huckabee has released an immigration plan that contains the deceptive 'touch back' provision that the pushers of amnesty tried on us in Washington this year," he said. "He wants to trick the nation by having illegal aliens leave for a day to pick up new papers at an office set up across the border and then walk right back."


Bob Wright, who heads the Patriots' Border Alliance, another Minuteman splinter group, said although Mr. Gilchrist helped move the issue of illegal entry into the U.S. "to it's rightful place on the national stage," his endorsement of Mr. Huckabee "is at best disturbing."

"While I believe it is possible for a professional politician to change his mind on a subject as he becomes more informed, I have serious doubts that is the case with Huckabee," Mr. Wright said. "His past rhetoric about the goals of Minutemen everywhere has been vicious — parroting the tired and discredited foolishness that an American citizen's desire to see the law enforced is somehow racist or xenophobic."


(Illegals foes reject nod to Huckabee, By Jerry Seper, The Washington Times, 12-13-2007)

Exhibit F: Corsi: Huckabee's tough talk on immigration doesn't match his record/ Mexican Consular Office Affair

"Huckabee has the same problem on immigration that Mitt Romney has -- and that is Mitt Romney and Huckabee, as governors, do not have a strong secure border record. And Huckabee's record is terrible," according to Jerome Corsi, an adamant border hawk. (be sure to go to the source and read the whole article)

I would argue that while Romney's record is less than stellar, he's head and shoulders above the duplicitous Huckster (whose record on immigration is detailed on this blog, just scroll down). While Romney tolerated sanctuary cities in his state, Huckabee encouraged them by rewarding illegal aliens with scholarships, discounted college tuition, and state benefits.

Huckabee also established a Mexican Consular office in Little Rock, which "increases the capacity of the Mexican state to bring attention, protection, and assistance to all of those living abroad, independently from their immigration status", according to Mexican ambassador Arturo Sarukhan. It also issues "matricula consular" cards, with which illegal aliens can open bank accounts and obtain other services.

In 2003, Huckabee (on a state-owned aircraft) to Mexico with Robert Trevino, who was the director of the League of United Latin American Citizens (aka LULAC) and Huckabee's "Economic Development adviser". There they met with Vincente Fox.

In 2006, Arkansas leased government office space, including furniture, to the Mexican government for $1 per year to house the Consular office until they built their own headquarters. It's unclear whether this subsidized lease was in violation of state law.

(Critics question Huckabee's role in establishing Mexican consulate in Little Rock, Legality of Huckabee's Mexican consulate deal questioned)

Exhibit G: 84 leaders of Immigration Enforcement Groups Rebuke Gilchrist's Endorsement of Huckabee

From Americans for Legal Immigration:


In reaction to Jim Gilchrist's (Co-Founder of Minutemen) lone endorsement of pro-amnesty Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee:

We, the undersigned, state that our organizations stand against racism and Amnesty for illegal aliens. Instead, we stand for the enforcement of our existing immigration laws, the securing of America's borders, and attrition enforcement.

We have dedicated our efforts to fighting illegal immigration and we are compelled to warn the American public about the immigration stance and record of Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee.

We denounce Jim Gilchrist's solo endorsement of a pro-amnesty and Open Borders candidate for President. Mr. Gilchrist does NOT speak for us!

Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens currently in the US, which would require a lifting of the current penalties.

Mike Huckabee is against ICE raids and decried them in his home state, when illegal aliens were arrested at companies that financially support his campaigns.

Mike Huckabee supports benefits for illegal aliens such as taxpayer subsidized in-state tuition.

Governor Huckabee also favors a "touchback" provision, which we feel is a trick to confuse voters. He would have illegal aliens leave for a day, pick up new papers, and then reenter the US LEGALLY, which is not the back of the immigration line! He has stated that illegal aliens could leave and "You do have a pathway to get back here legally that would take days, maybe weeks, not years."

Mike Huckabee supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty that failed in the US Senate and was rejected by a large majority of Americans. He stated that those who opposed the legislation are "driven by racism or nativism."

Mike Huckabee has distorted the goals of "attrition enforcement" and the positions of Mark Krikorian by adding visa expansions, expedited visas, and "touchback", which would counteract enforcement measures.

In truth, Mike Huckabee's stances on the illegal immigration issue are out of line with the vast majority of Americans.

Go to the source to see the impressive list of signatories, as it's too long to post here.

Exhibit H: WaPo Fact Checker: Three Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegal Immigration

WaPo is link only.

Exhibit I: Huckabee: I can’t compromise on scholarships for illegals because “my soul will not let me” (video)

Count 2: Liberal on Taxes and Spending

Exhibit A: Huckabee's tax hikes and tax "cuts"


-Signed a sales tax hike in 1996 (Cato Policy Analysis No. 315, 09/03/98)

-Supported an internet sales tax in 2001 (Reuters, 02/23/04)

-Publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002 (Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 09/11/02)

-Signed a gas tax in 1999 (Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 06/29/99)

-Signed cigarette tax hike in 2003 (Americans for Tax Reform 01/07/07)

-Signed a bed tax on private nursing home patients in 2001 (Associated Press 06/29/01)

-Proposed a sales take hike in 2002 (Arkansas News Bureau 12/05/02)

-Opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003 (Arkansas News Bureau 11/21/03)

-Allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004 (The Gurdon Times 03/02/04)


When questioned on the taxes hikes he was responsible for during his tenure as governor (a whopping inflation-adjusted sum of $505 million, according to the Arkansas Democrat Gazette), his response is usually that he cut taxes 90 times.

The only real cut he made was $90.6 million in 1997. The rest of his "cuts" were minor adjustments and exemptions. Here are some examples:


-Authorized tax-exempt bonds for fire-ant abatement (-$100,000)

-Exempted residential lawn care from the sales tax (-$210,000)

-Exempted Heifer International from the sales tax (-$60,000)

-Exempted some county fairs from the special-events sales tax (-$15,000)


-Exempted equipment used to produce sod, grass and nursery products from the sales tax (-$200,000)

-Repealed the 20 percent tax on bingo admissions and cards (-$200,000)


-Reduced taxes on bets made on horse races at Oaklawn Park (-$1,700, 000)

-Reduced taxes on bets made at Southland Greyhound Park (-$600,000)


-Exempted some health-club services from the sales tax (-$160,000)

-Gave income-tax credits to biodiesel wholesalers (-$200,000)


-Granted an income-tax deduction for organ donation (-$76,000)

-Exempted Arkansas Symphony Orchestra purchases from the sales tax (-$20,530)

Net difference:

These 90 cuts amount to a total of $378 million. On the other side of the ledger, Huckabee's 21 tax hikes amount to a total of $883 million, a net difference of $505 million. The average taxpayer's annual tax burden grew from $1,969 in 1997 to $2,902 in 2005.

(source: Arkansas Democrat Gazette)

Exhibit B: Spending under Huckabee

According to this doc, under Huckabee’s tenure as gov, spending on Health and Human Services (aka welfare) in Arkansas went from $2.44 billion in 1997 to $4.65 billion in 2006, a 92% increase. (see pages 130-131 of the .pdf file). He claims most of the increases were for roads and education. Education increased from $1.81 billion in 1997 to 3.04 billion in 2006 (a 68% increase, 24% less than the HHS increase), but transportation spending actually decreased from $677 million in 1997 to $320 million in 2006, a 53% decrease.

Overall spending increased at three times the rate of inflation. (source)

Exhibit C: Huckabee refuses to endorse President Bush's veto of SCHIP, aka HillaryCare Lite (source)

Exhibit D: Huckabee earns a D on fiscal policy from the Cato Institute

Exhibit E: Huckabee on Global Warming: Huckabee supports cap-in-trade system (source)

Count 3: Soft on Crime

Exhibit A: Huckabee granted more clemencies than all neighboring states combined

If you're wondering how Gov. Huckabee's hundreds of clemencies compare with neighboring states, get ready for a shocker.

Huckabee leads the pack.

He has issued more commutations and pardons than all of the six neighboring states combined.

Governors seldom reduce sentences in other states – and almost never for murderers serving life without parole or for rapists or for habitual drunk drivers, while in Arkansas it's a regular habit with Huckabee.

Other governors use their clemency power only rarely, while Huckabee has made it routine. As we've told you before, he has issued more than 700 pardons and commutations during his eight years in office – more than 137 this year alone – and more than his three predecessors combined.

Here are the figures for neighboring states since 1996, when Huckabee took office (and keep in mind the population of these states is nearly 20 times ours):

-Louisiana – 213
-Mississippi – 24
-Missouri – 79.
-Oklahoma – 178.
-Tennessee – 32.
-Texas – 98 (includes 36 inmates released because they were convicted on drug charges with planted evidence).

Total: 624 vs. Huckabee's 703.

Governors in neighboring states almost never grant killers clemency, while Huckabee has commuted the sentences of a dozen murderers.


Governors in the states we studied grant clemencies only on special occasions, such as when they leave office. Last January, after Mississippi Gov. Ronnie Musgrove, a Democrat, lost his re-election bid, he issued 16 clemencies, and there was a huge outcry. That's how many Huckabee averages per month.

By contrast, Haley Barbour, Mississippi's new Republican governor, has issued no clemencies all year, nor has Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, Louisiana's new governor, a Democrat.

In Tennessee, Gov. Phil Bredesen, a Democrat, has issued no clemencies since he took office in January 2003.


(Arkansas clemencies outpace other states, Garrick Feldman, The Arkansas Leader 08-11-04)

Exhibit B: Wayne DuMond

Mom: 'Carol Sue Would Be Alive Today' If Not for Huckabee

A Missouri mother says she will do "whatever it takes" to stop former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee from becoming president, because he freed the man who went on to rape and murder her daughter, Carol Sue Shields.


Wayne Dumond was initially sentenced to life plus 25 years for raping a 17-year-old Arkansas high school cheerleader. In 1999, a parole board voted to free Dumond, after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee announced his desire to see him released.

A former parole board member tells ABC News that Huckabee exerted strong pressure on the board to release Dumond.

(Mom: 'Carol Sue Would Be Alive Today' If Not for Huckabee, Brian Ross and Anna Schecter, The Blotter at ABC News, 12-04-2007)

Exhibit C: Glen Green

Why parole a monster like Green


Green, a 22-year-old sergeant, kidnapped Helen Lynette Spencer on Little Rock Air Force Base, where he beat and kicked her as he tried to rape her in a secluded area. She broke loose and ran toward the barracks' parking lot, where he caught up with her and beat her with a pair of nunchucks.

He then stuffed her into the trunk of his car and left her there while he cleaned up. Several hours later, he drove down Graham Road, past Loop Road and stopped near a bridge in Lonoke County. Green told investigators he put her body in the front seat and raped her because her body was still warm.

He dragged Spencer out of his vehicle and put her in front of the car and ran over her several times, going back and forth. He then collected himself long enough to dump her body in Twin Prairie Bayou.

This is what the Rev. Johnny Jackson, interim pastor at Bethel Baptist Church in Jacksonville, calls an accident, and apparently Huckabee believes him.

"There is no doubt in my mind that he could kill again," warns Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley.

The crime started out in his jurisdiction and ended in Lonoke County, where Prosecutor Lona McCastlain has also spoken out against the clemency.

"Life means life," she said, referring to Green's sentence after he plead guilty to Spencer's kidnapping, rape and murder.


(Why parole a monster like Green, Garrick Feldman, The Arkansas Leader, 07-21-04)

Count 4: Naive, Liberal, and Wrong on Foreign Policy

Exhibit A: Called our foreign policy an "arrogant bunker mentality", blames terrorism on economic conditions, thinks diplomacy and foreign aid will solve every problem

Huckabee's 'Clueless' Foreign Policy


More than anything, Huckabee's essay is startling in its incoherence, and it has something within it to scare off any faction of the conservative movement. To those who remain supportive of President Bush and believe he has helped keep us safe since Sept. 11, Huckabee writes that "the Bush administration's arrogant bunker mentality has been counterproductive at home and abroad." He goes on to echo liberal talking points in criticizing Bush for his handling of Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and Al Qaeda. For those conservatives who believe that Iran does not deserve to be awarded with diplomatic ties to the U.S. given its "a world without America" and "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric—not to mention funding of terrorist activities directed at Americans in Iraq—Huckabee thinks we should talk with the Islamist government, because "When one stops talking to a parent or a friend, differences cannot be resolved and relationships cannot move forward. The same is true for countries." I'm sure there are some non-interventionist conservatives who may agree with Huckabee's criticisms of the Bush administration for being overly macho, and needlessly confrontational with Iran. Yet what they have to look forward to in a Huckabee administration would be continued U.S. presence in Iraq, possible air strikes on Pakistan, a larger military, and a foreign aid program that would make Lyndon Johnson's Great Society look like a trivial domestic initiative. "We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts -- which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope," Huckabee writes. "The United States' strategic interests as the world's most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest."


(Huckabee's 'Clueless' Foreign Policy, Philip Klein, The American Spectator, 12-15-2007)

Exhibit B: Just like Barack Obama, Huckabee Wants to negotiate with Iran and invade Pakistan

Tin Mike


Just as Huckabee has cited executions in Arkansas as evidence that he was not as soft on criminals as the rest of his record strongly suggests, his defenders have pointed to examples of tough foreign policy statements he has made to argue that he is not as weak-kneed on national security as he seems. "I would prefer to skip the next attack [on the United States] and the exasperated fury it will rightly generate and cut to the chase by going after Al Qaeda's safe haven in Pakistan," Huckabee said at a September speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But vacillating from one extreme to the other is not an example of intelligent foreign policy -- it's indicative of inexperience. Wasn't it just a few months ago that conservatives were slamming Barack Obama for wanting to negotiate with Iran and invade Pakistan?


(Tin Mike, Philip Klein, The American Spectator, 12/12/2007)

Count 5: Ethical Lapses

Exhibit A: Fiscal malfeasance

-Used campaign funds to pay himself $14,000 for being his own media consultant.

-Used campaign funds to pay himself $43,000 for use of his private plane while attempting to hide what the payment was actually in return for.

-Used an account set up to cover operational costs of the governor's mansion to pay such obviously personal expenses as fast-food and dry-cleaning bills.

-Set up a nonprofit organization that paid him $23,500 without disclosing the source of the money.

-Attempted to take $70,000 of furniture with him when moving out of the governor's mansion.

-Took more than 130 gifts worth more than $300,000 – while suing to overturn a law that made him disclose the gifts.

(source: Meet the Huckster, San-Diego Union-Tribune Editorial, December 3, 2007)

Exhibit B: Cover-up of son's criminal depravity

This is in regards to Huckabee's son torturing and killing a dog, and Huckabee's subsequent cover-up.

News-Weak is link-only.

Count 6: Flip-Flopping on Abortion as a State vs. Federal issue


Huckabee said it was preposterous to say that such a deep moral issue should be left up to the states. If abortion is immoral in one state it is immoral in all of them, he said. He was “shocked” at Thompson’s stance. He claimed that he had always believed in a federal ban on abortions.

But a short time earlier Huckabee had sat down with the conservative essayist John Hawkins for a long conversation about the issues. He was asked about abortion. Huckabee said the legality of abortion should not be settled at the national level but should be left up to the states. This is the direct quote from the transcript, which until recently you could access on the Huckabee presidential campaign website:

“I’ve never felt that it was a legitimate manner in which to address this and, first of all, it should be left to the states, the 10th Amendment. . .” The 10th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution is the states-rights doctrine.


(Huck flip flops, Editorial, The Arkansas Leader, November 28, 2007)

Count 7: Damage to the Republican Party and Conservative Movement


Betsy Hagan, Arkansas director of the conservative Eagle Forum and a key backer of his early runs for office, was once "his No. 1 fan." She was bitterly disappointed with his record. "He was pro-life and pro-gun, but otherwise a liberal," she says. "Just like Bill Clinton he will charm you, but don't be surprised if he takes a completely different turn in office."

Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum, is even more blunt. "He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles," she says. "Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a 'compassionate conservative' are now trying to sell us on Mike Huckabee."


(Another Man From Hope: Who is Mike Huckabee?,, 10-26-07)

Count 8: Endorsed by the NEA

Huckabee is endorsed by the National Education Association. What else needs to be said?


157 posted on 01/20/2008 11:43:14 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Yaelle

LOL! As long as you can’t see me, I get to say yes! I sure do hope you are a gal! :)

158 posted on 01/20/2008 11:47:55 AM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: SE Mom

Tried to click NO and it froze my computer, which never freezes. Should I be saying hmmmmm? Should I be surprised that a little man carrying a baseball bat didn’t pop from my screen and hit me in the knees while mentioning a reproductive function and Fred?? Inquiring minds... ;)

159 posted on 01/20/2008 11:50:41 AM PST by Yaelle (We should have chosen Fred.)
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To: pt17

I don’t think Fred’s late arrival was a problem.

Here’s an interesting comment from NRO:

An interesting perspective from NRO:

Quoting Cyndi Mosteller, former head of the Charleston County Republican Party from 2003-2007. When I asked about Thompson, she said. “He was the most anticipated candidate that I have ever seen. So many people on the ground were ready to run the ball for him, and they showed up in strength, but he didn’t really show up in strength. I think that probably Thompson is more of a private person. I don’t really think he’s cut out for the public run required of public office. I think it’s almost a personality thing; it’s certainly not an ideological thing. It’s like the public energy and the will to run are a little bit lacking there.”

If Fred stays in the race, he needs to consult with the likes of Haley Barbour or Ed Gillespie for ideas to turn this around. Fred’s been running his campaign from the back of the bus.. In this day and age, that’s not going to cut it. He has to organize a grassroots army to go house-to-house, to man phone banks, to blanket neighborhoods with literature, etc. Fred’s few bus stops weren’t enough to carry the day in South Carolina, nor will they be in any other state.

160 posted on 01/20/2008 11:52:32 AM PST by freedom4me (No compromise w/ the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact w/ unrepentant wrong. --Churchill)
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To: Yaelle

Hhhmmm...not sure- I do know when I took the poll it took a lllong time for it to go through..

honestly? Nothing coming from FOX would surprise me now.

161 posted on 01/20/2008 11:52:34 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: upsdriver

I am a gal! I swear, my personal UPS man never wears long pants, even if it’s in the 50s out. I believe you, with your gorgeous manly knees.

162 posted on 01/20/2008 11:53:21 AM PST by Yaelle (We should have chosen Fred.)
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To: ought-six

I know.
Re read my answer. Be sitting when the votes are over.

I believe that they are.

163 posted on 01/20/2008 11:54:19 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: SE Mom

I don’t want to test this, but I do wonder if you vote YES for Fred to get out of the race, does it go really quickly through????

164 posted on 01/20/2008 11:54:42 AM PST by Yaelle (We should have chosen Fred.)
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To: freedom4me

People have said that Fred might be an introvert. We might just need an introvert in the WH. More time in the Oval Office, less time out on gladhanding all day and intern-hunting all night.

165 posted on 01/20/2008 11:56:40 AM PST by Yaelle (We should have chosen Fred.)
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To: reflecting
Thompson was in the "employ" of McCain.


Thompson is establishment....the republican establishment will not have golly ...if we have to choose between moderate Christian and a moderate maverick...the establishment is going for the maverick....

Do you often notice that after you make a point in conversation that people stare with a funny look and seem to be at a loss for words? Do you ever make a serious point and note that someone in your audience chuckles and then realizes you were serious and kind of coughs and apologizes?

Just wondering...

166 posted on 01/20/2008 11:56:47 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: upsdriver

Fred’s done. If driving around in a red pickup in Iowa and SC didn’t accomplish anything, it’s not going to do anything in California or New Jersey.

Janet Reno already tried that in Florida and got creamed.

Fred is a decent man and had decent ideas. He ran one of the crappiest campaigns in recent memory. He has no money to compete in Florida or the 22 other states that vote the next week.

There’s not a scenario where he gets back into this.

The only thing left for Thompson is to perhaps endorse another candidate. If he does, that will be McCain, I think.

Which would be a shame.

167 posted on 01/20/2008 11:59:28 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: All
Anyone want to proof this? On Fred's website someone has calculated the amount of delegates each of the candidates needs.

Romney needs 1119 more delegates, McCain needs 1153, Huckabee needs 1162, Fred Thompson needs 1183, Paul needs 1185, Giuliani needs 1189, and Hunter needs 1190.

Is this correct? When you look at it this way, Fred should definitely stay in. And the media coverage shows itself to be highly superficial if not dishonest for not focusing on it.

168 posted on 01/20/2008 12:00:03 PM PST by Yaelle (We still need Fred.)
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To: aj7360

I disagree. McCain certainly looks strongest now, but I think Mitt would run a stronger and better organized campaign. Further, if, as seems likely, the economy heads south and becomes a bigger issue in the race Mitt’s business experience would give him a huge boost. His biggest weakness on the campaign trail might be his trouble personally connecting with voters (even unlikability), but against Hillary it’s not like he’d be competing with someone strong in this area.

I’m discounting Huckabee since I think he’s unelectable (and everyone here hates him) and Rudy since I don’t think he’s a very good campaigner and would be one of the weaker candidates.

169 posted on 01/20/2008 12:01:37 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Philly Nomad

But you’re saying if you want a tax CUT, it’s going to cost you. Instead of asking for spending offsets for tax cuts, why not ask for tax increases to offset spending increases?

170 posted on 01/20/2008 12:05:53 PM PST by Huck (Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Does it make sense for me to support Fred, when it appears he has no chance?

Maybe it doesn't make sense for you, but it makes sense for me to make a contribution to Fred's campaign.

Here's why...

1. I'm helping Fred to avoid debt, whether he stays in the campaign or no
2. I'm showing Fred, in a tangible way, that I am backing his candidacy. I think he deserves a massive "pat on the back."
3. I'm showing the other candidates, and my fellow Americans, that I support (most of) Fred's political ideals (If I don't speak out now, I might miss my chance to weigh in)
4. I'm not actually voting against the eventual Republican nominee.
As far as I'm concerned, it's win-win.
171 posted on 01/20/2008 12:07:33 PM PST by syriacus (HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
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To: Yaelle

Good question..but like you- I don’t want to test it! Besides- with cookies they already know if our computer voted..

172 posted on 01/20/2008 12:13:04 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I meant to say the opposite — Pro Life —
there is a core group where this is the one
and only issue that matters — I admire their
fervor and do not support abortion in any fashion-—

however, that being said, their support, placed with
an other wise liberal candidate, will and did siphon
votes away from candidates who present a more complete
conservative package, i.e. Thompson.

Semantics are important and I thank you for catching
my poorly worded sentance.

173 posted on 01/20/2008 12:13:23 PM PST by buckalfa
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To: Dog Gone
f driving around in a red pickup in Iowa and SC didn’t accomplish anything, it’s not going to do anything in California or New Jersey.

It's too bad that Huckabee took away so many votes that Fred would have had.

I think that I may never see
A Lib more glib than Huckabee.

174 posted on 01/20/2008 12:16:28 PM PST by syriacus (HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
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To: wardaddy

“a better word would be ....Politics has always been about compromise not obstinacy or intransigence.”

I used the word “intolerance” because there are a lot of people on this forum who refuse to tolerate those who are not as conservative as they are.

175 posted on 01/20/2008 12:18:06 PM PST by aj7360
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To: Dog Gone

I agree, it is only a matter of time till he calls it a day. I do believe when the time comes, he will endorse McCain.

176 posted on 01/20/2008 12:24:24 PM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: Yaelle

Whew, that’s a relief! I doubt that I will be wearing shorts anytime soon. It was 16 below here last night. Only forecasting 2 above for a high tomorrow so I think I will stay with the long pants(and long johns). :)

177 posted on 01/20/2008 12:32:16 PM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: syriacus

I think Huckabee and Thompson knocked themselves both out of contention by their presence. Voters simply couldn’t decide between them, and even though the two candidates are quite different, they appealed to the same demographic.

178 posted on 01/20/2008 12:47:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I think Huckabee and Thompson ... appealed to the same demographic.

I agree.

179 posted on 01/20/2008 12:52:33 PM PST by syriacus (HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
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To: upsdriver

Brrrr! Keep those knees warm!

180 posted on 01/20/2008 1:08:17 PM PST by Yaelle (We still need Fred.)
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To: enough_idiocy
“You sound like the MSM”. That’s exactly what I was trying to do. That’s the “reality” as being presented presented. I didn’t say that you said he was running away with anything.
181 posted on 01/20/2008 2:12:36 PM PST by isrul
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To: 2111USMC
I didn’t hear he speech. Maybe just as well for now. I’m demoralized enough.
182 posted on 01/20/2008 2:15:12 PM PST by isrul
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To: coalman
It’s all about money. He will need it to continue. Maybe a staff shakeup wouldn’t hurt, either.
183 posted on 01/20/2008 2:17:22 PM PST by isrul
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To: tx_eggman
.. his fresh newly minted approach to conservative ideas

Who, may I ask, are you backing?

184 posted on 01/20/2008 2:28:35 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Dog Gone

The same could probably be said for Mitt and Fred. If not for Mitt and Huck...! ;-)

185 posted on 01/20/2008 2:30:26 PM PST by 9YearLurker (Fred just keeps looking better and better)
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To: counterpunch

“What’s Next For Thompson?”

1. Drop out

2. Endorse his good friend McCain

3. Sign up for another season of Law and Order

186 posted on 01/20/2008 2:49:22 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Shery

Fred Thompson would probably support McCain because Thompson supported McCain in 2000 and served as national co-chairman for McCain’s campaign.

We need a Republican strong on Defense to win the presidency. Need I remind everyone that the prospects on taking back the House and Senate in 2008 don’t look good (especially the Senate)? If both bodies become more Democratic with a Democratic president in the White House, we will be dealt with a serious blow regarding the War on Islamofacism.

187 posted on 01/20/2008 2:52:38 PM PST by jonyyeh
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

I doubt Fred could return to Law & Order, especially since Sam Waterson’s character Jack McCoy has been “promoted” to District Attorney.

However, if Thompson doesn’t because the vice presidential candidate, he probably won’t have much problem finding acting work. Besides, a replacement for Paul Harvey will be needed in the future.

As for the Presidential race, I have no idea what will happen.

188 posted on 01/20/2008 2:55:26 PM PST by jonyyeh
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To: jonyyeh

“However, if Thompson doesn’t because the vice presidential candidate, he probably won’t have much problem finding acting work. Besides, a replacement for Paul Harvey will be needed in the future.”

Why would someone pick him as a veep when he can’t win a single state?

189 posted on 01/20/2008 2:56:42 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

Well, I guess VP is unlikely for Thompson. Thompson himself stated he’s wasn’t interested a few months before declaring himself as a candidate. It’s only a remote possibility if McCain wins the nomination, if precedent holds up.

I don’t know if the VP candidate will be a current candidate in the race. Though I don’t think the winner of the nomination will pick a former rival in the race (unless we’re desperate). I personally think if McCain wins, he would pick Lindsey Graham to be his running mate.

190 posted on 01/20/2008 3:07:22 PM PST by jonyyeh
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To: 9YearLurker
The same could probably be said for Mitt and Fred. If not for Mitt and Huck...! ;-)

Arguably that's true, but somewhere in there is that evangelical thing, and Mitt's mormonism. You know that's true because you've seen it displayed at this forum for months.

Effectively, even though only Duncan Hunter pulled out this weekend, we're down to only four candidates who have a shot. McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Rudy. And Rudy is only in the game if he completes the Hail Mary pass to take Florida.

191 posted on 01/20/2008 3:41:06 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Tennessean4Bush
No, but I have noticed that some people are able to evaluate dispassionately opposing ideas, and events. Others, become so personally committed to these political celebrities that it difficult for them to be objective.
192 posted on 01/20/2008 3:57:50 PM PST by reflecting
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To: matthew fuller

“As a conservative, I think that the best of all scenarios will be the death of the current republican party.”

I will say this’ no matter who wins in ‘08, the socialst Dem or the socialist Rep, people almost ALWAYS get the government that they deserve.

193 posted on 01/20/2008 4:12:44 PM PST by Grunthor (No Juan. No Huckaliar. Not primary, not general, not ever.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

if you’re ok with mormons voting as herds then why your beef with “evangelicals” doing the same

evene though I don’t think they do ....I think it’s media presumptiveness

Huckster has the abortion vote to a degree, that is what I think....he’s less ambiguous than anyone else sans hunter/tanc

i don’t know who i’m for now

194 posted on 01/20/2008 4:53:09 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: aj7360

that’s true.....I am probably one of those

and once again we will be forced to swallow something milquetoast rather than concede to the hard left

it sucks but we’re dying off quick enough, America Nueva puede resolver ese futuro

195 posted on 01/20/2008 4:56:16 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: syriacus

Ditto—sent mine last night after the “Stand Tall!” speech.

Thought he was goign to drop out and it scared the money right out of my wallet. And I’m not known as a giver to political campaigns, and have never given during primary season.

196 posted on 01/20/2008 4:56:31 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: carton253

Ain’t none of them going to be President if they don’t stop McCain and Huck.

197 posted on 01/20/2008 5:02:21 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy.)
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To: upsdriver
What's Next For Thompson?

Corner square on Hollywood Squares?


Hollywood for sure.

198 posted on 01/20/2008 6:30:28 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: upsdriver
Corner square on Hollywood Squares?

Bitter... party of one. Bitter... party of one. Your table is ready.

199 posted on 01/20/2008 7:29:32 PM PST by the808bass
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To: snarkybob
He’s a better speaker than Fred.

I'll surmise you have never heard a McCain speech.

200 posted on 01/20/2008 7:32:12 PM PST by the808bass
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