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Who Said Freddy's Dead? (Hope for Fredheads?)
Real Clear Politics ^ | January 24, 2008 | Kevin Stark

Posted on 01/24/2008 4:55:53 AM PST by Scarchin

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If McCain loses in Florida, the Republicans may well be headed to a deadlocked race and convention. And history teaches us that the likeliest candidate to emerge in that scenario is someone like Warren G. Harding: the prototypical, less-than-stellar candidate to which conventions turn when the going gets rough.

This year's Harding? Believe it or not (are you sitting down?), despite the fact that he's withdrawn from the race, is Fred Thompson.

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Hey Fredheads!

Cheer up!

1 posted on 01/24/2008 4:55:56 AM PST by Scarchin
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To: Scarchin

We can only hope.


2 posted on 01/24/2008 4:58:06 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Scarchin

I wonder ...What are the chances of Thompson teaming up with Romney?


3 posted on 01/24/2008 4:59:51 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: mtbopfuyn

At this stage in the race, I’m still with Romney - but I’ve always liked Fred.

It’s going to be a heck of a ride!


4 posted on 01/24/2008 5:00:05 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: nuconvert

I think if Romney’s in the driver’s seat - it could happen.

If, however, Fred get the nod, I’m not so sure. I’ve always been uncomfortable with his friendship with McCain.


5 posted on 01/24/2008 5:01:46 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Scarchin

We can hope that Fred can comeback. I just don’t want the huckster or mccainniac.


6 posted on 01/24/2008 5:02:45 AM PST by mathluv
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To: Scarchin

I’ll be praying...


7 posted on 01/24/2008 5:03:11 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I'm voting for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

A re-entry by FRed would be too much to hope for and certainly unusual. At least, were he to re-enter, I’d have someone to vote for with a clear conscience.

I’m not holding my breath. However, his withdrawal statement was only 45 words and short on everything....


8 posted on 01/24/2008 5:03:26 AM PST by Clara Lou (Bob Parks (FR's bocopar) for virtual POTUS '08)
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To: mathluv

Looking at recent headlines, the sad irony is the HUNTER may be the one who makes Huck or McCain more likely.


9 posted on 01/24/2008 5:03:51 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Scarchin

Fred couldn’t muster a decent run the few weeks he was a declared candidate. Don’t expect him to turn into wonderboy at/after the convention.

Michael Reagan was on FoxNews yesterday. He was sounding hopeful that Newt Gingrich would emerge as the dark horse candidate.

[Sorry, but neither Newt or Fred (now) will beat the Dem nominee. It just won’t happen.]


10 posted on 01/24/2008 5:04:49 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Scarchin

I don’t see it happening, I’m sorry to say.


11 posted on 01/24/2008 5:04:49 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Scarchin

“I’ve always been uncomfortable with his friendship with McCain.”

yeah, but that’s an unattractive ticket. 2 old guys. I don’t know how that would go over.


12 posted on 01/24/2008 5:05:56 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: trisham

Well -

I thought I’s throw something out to the glum Fredheads and betrayed Hunter backers around here.

I’m hoping for a light at the end of the tunnel - just not an oncoming train.


13 posted on 01/24/2008 5:07:15 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Scarchin
Hunter is illustrating the reason Rush will not endorse during the primaries.

I don't think Hunter has the name power or the vote carry-over to help the huckster very much.

14 posted on 01/24/2008 5:07:33 AM PST by mathluv
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To: Scarchin

I just don’t see the benefit of the GOP being bitterly divided over a nominee until September while the Dems have a nominee by March. Thompson already had poor organization; what makes people thinks that he or anyone else either shut down for eight months or completely new to the campaign can suddenly turn it on and run a successful 60 day campaign?


15 posted on 01/24/2008 5:08:11 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: Scarchin
Who Said Freddy's Dead?

Curtis Mayfield.

16 posted on 01/24/2008 5:08:49 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: TomGuy

Michael has no idea what the base is thinking.

LLS


17 posted on 01/24/2008 5:10:29 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote for?)
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To: Cincinatus

LOL! You’re right!


18 posted on 01/24/2008 5:10:35 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Scarchin

If Fred ever did win the White House, I wonder what the chances are that he’d ever be able to even come close to living up to all the expectations I’ve seen posted at this site.


19 posted on 01/24/2008 5:10:39 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Cincinatus

LOL!

Actually - I found this article off the Powerline blog (I guess I owe them a “hat tip”) where they make the same joke!


20 posted on 01/24/2008 5:11:02 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Scarchin
I thought I’s throw something out to the glum Fredheads

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Heh. We may be glum, but we're not insane.

21 posted on 01/24/2008 5:11:38 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Scarchin

Help me out here.

I was a Fred supporter who was very disappointed when he dropped out. But what are people who are wishing for a brokered convention expecting to happen if we have one?

Do they think that Fred will magically reappear after having been out of 80% of the primary contests, and win out over the candidates who have been spending mega bucks and battling each other for months? Do you think they will give up their delegates or that their delegates will switch that easily?

Or as some people are hoping, a candidate who never campaigned at all will come out of nowhere to sweep the nomination? I honestly don’t know how these things work.


22 posted on 01/24/2008 5:12:08 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Proud early recipient of the CNS "annoying chick" badge of honor.)
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To: Scarchin
I will be voting for Mitt Romney next Tuesday because he is the next best choice. I do hope that all Florida FredHeads will vote for Romney to insure that McCain’s campaign is over on January 30th! McCain must be stopped! He would bring an end to the Republican party and the conservative cause! FredHeads who stay home or vote for Fred will only help McCain win in Florida. Fred has not endorsed, but if he were to endorse someone I believe he would endorse Mitt Romney. Fred would not want his supporters to cast a vote that accomplishes nothing except to hurt the conservative cause!
23 posted on 01/24/2008 5:13:05 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: rhombus
I'm reading Presidential Courage right now. Love it. It's hard to say. History has a way of "thrusting greatness" upon these men - or proving that they lack it.
24 posted on 01/24/2008 5:13:19 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

You need to read the article re: Harding.


25 posted on 01/24/2008 5:14:45 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Scarchin

At this juncture, it looks like Romney/Thompson would be about the closesst we can get to a real conservative ticket, although I’m not impressed with Romney’s legislative history and his (shifting) beliefs. Fred might just be the moderating influence that makes this guy acceptable.

Giuliani appears to be sinking fast.
The Huckster is flat out a shyster, except for his support for the FT.
And, McLame ought to be seeking the DhimmiRat nod rather than the GOP, IMO.
Ron Paul? Puhleeze; MoonBat Central’s Court Jester? Can’t do it...

Ya know...just once more, before I pass through that thin, gossamer veil, I’d like to enter a voting booth and vote FOR someone rather than against EVERYONE ELSE...


26 posted on 01/24/2008 5:14:58 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: Scarchin

And Presidents oftentimes surprise and sometimes disappoint their most ardent supporter.


27 posted on 01/24/2008 5:15:47 AM PST by rhombus
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To: seekthetruth

Regardless - I don’t think we’ve heard the last of Fred in this race.

I think he’ll be quiet for a while for a very human reason - his sick mom.


28 posted on 01/24/2008 5:15:57 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Scarchin
It's possible, but unlikely. Odds are, there will be a de facto nominee by Feb 5. If there isn't, and it goes to the convention without a clear winner, there's still likely going to be a deal between two of the top contenders to combine delegates for a ticket with the two of them.

If all that fails to pass, then Thompson's actual results (best results -- 2nd: Wyoming, 3rd: Iowa, South Carolina) will be looked at as negatives.

The only thing he's got going for him is that he is widely considered to be the "second choice" for most voters, and that he appeals to all sections of the base (but not as strongly as each sections "first choice"). But an awful lot has to happen 9or not happen) for that to even be a factor.

29 posted on 01/24/2008 5:16:03 AM PST by kevkrom (Voters say they want substance, but then they just vote for the guy with nice hair instead.)
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To: Scarchin
Oh I think most of the fredheads are joining up on the ‘straight talk’ express bus. The fear of that giant slayer Hillary has most of them spooked.

Funny thing about all the paralyzing fear of Hillary, what, any, part of, legislation did this woman get legislated since 2000???

But there seems to be acceptance and willingness to vote for the one singular person who made it his life’s work to punish conservatives for rejecting him.

Oh and lest some of you think I am promoting Hillary, NO I am not, I not voting for her best friend in Congress, she would not be where she is without her best friend.

30 posted on 01/24/2008 5:16:17 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Scarchin
Fred's dead baby... Fred's dead.


31 posted on 01/24/2008 5:19:08 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: seekthetruth

“Vote for Romney to insure that McCain’s campaign is over on January 30th!”

I agree. This should be the focus. No More McCain!


32 posted on 01/24/2008 5:23:33 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: Just mythoughts
“Oh I think most of the fredheads are joining up on the ‘straight talk’ express bus. The fear of that giant slayer Hillary has most of them spooked.”

Just because the MSM polls show that McCain could beat Hillary certainly does not make it true! I hope folks will remember that the MSM would LOVE for McCain,Huckabee or Guiliani to be our nominee! They would then come out with tons of bad press on to insure a Hillary win. McCain is now the one the MSM is pushing and pushing as they see a chance he could win in Florida. McCain must be stopped here in Florida, and I hope the Florida FredHeads realize that the best choice now is Mitt Romney.

33 posted on 01/24/2008 5:25:16 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Scarchin

I doubt it. I’m not sure Fred’s heart is in it anymore.


34 posted on 01/24/2008 5:27:50 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Just another reluctant Mitt Supporter)
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To: Scarchin
Interesting read and it does have merit. There are some new wrinkles that will probably not allow this to occur. Back in 1920 there was not a totally unified liberal-almost-communist media and the concept of united States Nationalism was promoted, NOT “globalizzum.” And mind you “globalize” is nothing but code for communism.

Fred is STRONG on federalism/nationalism and the same controlling interests that run the communist media (MSM) do not want Fred. Fred’s pulling out of the race was put on ailing mother (I hear she was getting better before he left), no money (he was pulling in close to a million a week), loosing the race ( he was just at the doorstep of the South) which is strange, he was consistently beating Ron and Rooty, two “heavies.” The list goes on… but the upshot is the media badmouthed and belittled his successes, blacked him out in general and chanted propaganda from the Hucksters campaign like it was “news.”

Fred was run off by the communist MSM just like Tancredo and Hunter. Doesn’t anyone think it odd that the only three REAL republican contenders all got the same treatment, resulting in their being tossed down the black hole of non-reporting, yet flip-flopping RINO’s with documented track records of hanging out with CCID’s (Communist Calling Itself Democrat) are championed as “conservatives?” Mitt, Huck, Rooty and Juan are all excellent candidates for the democrats as they supported amnesty and their history indicates they supported gun control and abortion. What the hell kind of conservative is that?

The communist media kind, my friends.

And that is why we will not see Fred come back, that is why Fred Dalton Thompson was in fact the last real American Presidential Candidate.

Good Luck friends.

35 posted on 01/24/2008 5:29:04 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TomGuy
The libs would shred Newt in 24 hours. He has so much negative baggage he can not even get it to the curb.
36 posted on 01/24/2008 5:30:17 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Stop the unFair Tax now; before it is fair for your neighbor and not you.)
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To: Scarchin

No.

I was all for Fred... but there’s 0% chance a loser is going to be picked as the candidate in a brokered convention. Nor would I want him to be - if the guy didn’t have what it takes to get the nomination (and he didn’t), he most certainly doesn’t have what it takes to win the Presidency.


37 posted on 01/24/2008 5:31:33 AM PST by Pravious
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To: seekthetruth
There is NO evidence, NONE whatsoever that McCain is against anything Hillary. Well now he did mention something about her trying to memorialize ‘Woodstock’ in opposition to what he was doing during those days.

All legislative accomplishments by McCain were about punishing, getting even with, or taking advantage of someone else because he could and they were not in opposition to anything Hillary.

38 posted on 01/24/2008 5:31:57 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Scarchin

Any scenario except a Rudy win in FL, means that McCain wins NY and NJ, which are winner take all. That allows he and Romney to be the two remaining candidates and one of them will end up with a majority of delegates.


39 posted on 01/24/2008 5:33:59 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Scarchin

A good analog is the 1860 Republican convention, when Seward and Chase were the frontrunners; those two camps had so much animosity that the only possible winner could be a compromise third candidate, and that candidate turned out to be Abraham Lincoln.

If this year’s convention comes down between, say, McCain and Romney, neither with a majority, that might open the door for a compromise candidate, and Thompson could get the call.

But I find that wildly unlikely. No one in the GOP wants a brokered convention — the party will suffer, and will likely lose, if it doesn’t have a candidate before Labor Day. If there’s no clear candidate by, let’s say, Easter, I’d expect a lot of wheeling and dealing to close the deal ASAP. Promise the other candidates cabinet posts, ambassadorships, anything shy of giving them Alaska, and line up a majority before the opening gavel.


40 posted on 01/24/2008 5:34:19 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Scarchin

Drowning...grasping at straws. Waste of time. Fuggetaboutit.


41 posted on 01/24/2008 5:34:54 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Cincinatus

Who Said Freddy’s Dead?
“Curtis Mayfield.”

Even to me, a Fred supporter, I have to admit; that’s funny.


42 posted on 01/24/2008 5:41:31 AM PST by romanesq
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To: GraniteStateConservative
I think the ONLY way to slow down McCain, and keep him from becoming the "frontrunner" is to have Rudy win Florida.

Even if Mitt wins Florida, as you said, that does not slow down McCain. Mitt is not going to win NY and NJ, either Rudy or McCain will depending on who wins Florida. After Super Tuesday (and maybe after Florida) it will either be Mitt vs McCain (and I think in that battle McCain wins easily) or Mitt vs Rudy (in which Mitt has a chance because Rudy was wounded in the early primaries).

Regardless of the delegate count right now, McCain is the strongest going in, only because Rudy is weak. Rudy and McCain share too many of the same voters to keep them both viable. So my advice to FredHeads in Florida, who want to slow down McCain, is to vote Rudy and not Mitt!

43 posted on 01/24/2008 5:45:31 AM PST by codercpc (On the day abortion becomes illegal, I want to Thank God, and not praise allah)
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To: Just mythoughts

“There is NO evidence, NONE whatsoever that McCain is against anything Hillary.”

Right! Hillary would beat McCain, but if McCain did happen to win we would still have a liberal in the White House!


44 posted on 01/24/2008 5:45:53 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: GraniteStateConservative

“Any scenario except a Rudy win in FL, means that McCain wins NY and NJ, which are winner take all. That allows he and Romney to be the two remaining candidates and one of them will end up with a majority of delegates.”

Thanks for wrapping up the bow and putting this in context. The media would love to see the Republican party split asunder. Would guarantee their candidate of little experience, Shrillary or Obama gets a smooth ride.

Of course it’s great to get this from the GraniteState. :)


45 posted on 01/24/2008 5:49:11 AM PST by romanesq
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To: seekthetruth

If McCain does happen to get the GOP nod, he will move leftward to gain more Independents and Liberals. [He abandoned the real conservatives along time ago, and chances are, he won’t be able to regain their confidence and votes.]

Ironically, if Clinton does get the Dem nod, she will move rightward to gain more Independents and Moderates.

They could pass each other, politically. By November, McCain could show up as the liberal and Clinton as the conservative.


46 posted on 01/24/2008 6:10:08 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Scarchin

With all due respect to Fredheads, do we want to run a candidate who dropped out and has been roundly criticized internally, even here by Fredheads, for not running a good campaign? I anticipate an answer might be, yes rather than the RINOs we have left. I respect that answer from those who believe in the all or nothing sit at home approach even if it means Hillary. But for those of us who have not reached that point, who would take almost anyone but Hillary, is this a good idea?


47 posted on 01/24/2008 6:15:02 AM PST by enough_idiocy (Romney/Thompson or Steele '08)
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To: Clara Lou
his withdrawal statement was only 45 words and short on everything....

Yes, it was very odd, especially for a man like Fred. One thing is for sure, Fred, or someone like him, has to be somewhere on the ticket or the pubbies will be shut down in November.

48 posted on 01/24/2008 6:16:36 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: TomGuy

If McCain was the nominee and Obama bet Hillary, It would not surprise me to see McCain and Hillary team up to run against Obama and his running mate!


49 posted on 01/24/2008 6:26:32 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: HerrBlucher

There’s only one conservative left in the GOP field: Dr. Alan Keyes.


50 posted on 01/24/2008 6:28:32 AM PST by EternalVigilance (For America's Revival - Alan Keyes 2008 - "Alan, you stood tall." - Ronald Reagan)
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