Skip to comments.With Thompson out, Tom McClintock leans to Ron Paul
Posted on 01/25/2008 12:59:01 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
With Fred Thompson out of the presidential race, who's a self-respecting conservative to go for? Could it be, maybe, perhaps, a certain Republican-libertarian from Texas?
That's one question perplexing California state Sen. Tom McClintock, possibly the second-most-famous California Republican currently in office after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
McClintock created a stir two months when he endorsed Thompsons presidential candidacy. Having run for governor, lieutenant governor and state controller, McClintock has shown that while he has not won a statewide contest, he can win GOP primaries, which conservatives tend to dominate. So heading into the Feb. 5 primary, McClintocks endorsement is seen as important in California.
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So Ron Paul will position soldiers in tall buildings?
Why wait? If your loyalty to our country is so frail, leave now.
“War does not equal conservatism”
No but anti-war and anti-american does equal liberal!
Surrendering to a Rebel government in Richmond, to the Germans, Japanese and Alquaeda aint sure as hell aint conservative.
As far as your 7 out of 10 comment, tell me again where you differ from the anti-war left? Cause you sure sound like a kos kid to me.
McCain supported Amnesty. McCain opposed the Bush tax cut and actually used class warfare rhetoric straight from the Democratic handbook in doing so. McCain is fully on board the whacko Al Gore "glocal warming" kick. Republicans can't stomach that. Romney was not my candidate, but McCain has far more warts.
Good! I've been elected as a delegate, from my precinct, to my county convention. I intend to keep supporting Fred. He might have dropped out of the race, but he could still bring some delegates to the national convention.
I’m voting for Fred in the primary. At least I can feel good about it, which I could not voting for any of the others.
Is anybody sincere anymore?
I have to agree...his 'Economic Revitalization Plan' (posted at his website) is a conservative's wet dream; repealing the death tax, eliminating capital gains taxes; taxes on tips and social security, etc.
Given the choices, what’s insincere about supporting what you believe to be the lesser of five evils?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOE4Ip7In0 - 126k
World Wars 1 and 2
Yea call me picky but I would rather vote for a Mitt or a Rudy who actually cares whether we win than that clown you call a leader.
By the way if you are so for Ron Paul, why wouldnt YOU vote for the ‘Rats? Dennis Kucinich loves your guy:
The only people here close to voting for dems are anti-war Ron Paul supporters.
Much like the vacuum in Paul's HEAD!
The party can't, but lots of voters will. I'm voting for him because he's far better than "none of the above".
I have found myself liking Paul more and more in the past few weeks. I always thought that in the grand scheme of things that there is a dimes worth of difference between R's and D's (for the most part). What I particularly like about Paul is that despite his low poll numbers and nonexistant media coverage up to this point, he hasn't changed his Constitutionalist views. The rest of these guys change their views, or at least try to conceal them, whenever they think it might get them a few more votes and then attack everyone else for changing their views.
Just imagine, if McClintock would have become gov of CA, now the Gov of CA would be endorsing Ron Paul!
Great choice Tom! Guess you’ll be going down with the ship MMMMMMM
Me too. No Romney for me, no way, no how.
There are two things with Paul that keep me from supporting him. His isolationist stance on the MiddleEast and his support for legalization of drugs and support for other neoliberal causes. As for the Primary. I’m voting for Fred Thompson and I may just write him in for the General Election depending on how the nominee behaves himself. McCain and Romney are going to watch themselves because if they start using “compassionate conservative” rhetoric then I’m not voting for either of them.
I’m sick of it. I gave it a try with GWB and all it got him was beating by the left and it has shattered the GOP into splinters. It also blurred in the minds of the general public the differences between Republicans and Democrats.
Now we have to reestablish ourselves as the party of fiscal responsibility. I don’t think it will be too hard because looking at the proposals coming out of the left fiscal responsibility isn’t even on their minds. What they are proposing will make the spending of Republicans look like an account only slightly overdrawn. One thing is certain is that if the GOP nominee decides to play nice with the left he will be destroyed.
The gloves are off and there is a reason the Democrat controlled Congress is rushing to implement a tax cut rebate. They see it as an investment with hopes of more spending and future tax hikes.
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Don’t forget McCain-Feingold.
But where does Romney stand. Here is a man who supports No Child Left Behind, supports the Department of Ed (flipping after being against it), supports minimum wage, supported regulating the energy industry, raised taxes (including the gas tax), forced citizens to accept government funded health insurance(!), flipped on gun control, flipped on the Bush tax cuts, flipped on gay rights, flipped on government-subsidized embryonic stem cell research, flipped on abortion—yes, he says he had a “Road to Damascus” conversion on that, but given all his other flips, do we really want to hang our hats on that.
Thus, I conclude he’s no better than McCain.
Is it that he is really “Anti-War” or is it more “Anti-Nation Building, Anti-UN authorized not really war war”?
Seems to me that THOSE ARE Republican Positions.
I’ve ignored him, not forgotten the [expletive]. Nothing I hate more than a hypocrite Christian. They make the real ones look badly. Huck is one of those kind. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
eeeew. but funny.
None of those references support your statement.
Yea call me picky but I would rather vote for a Mitt or a Rudy who actually cares whether we win than that clown you call a leader. By the way if you are so for Ron Paul...
I'm not for Ron Paul (I haven't picked a candidate yet -- Rudy and Huck were crossed off my list long ago, though). I'm just sick of the misrepresentation of positions and baseless rhetoric against -- it does nothing to advance the discussion. Statements like yours ('advocate surrender to Al Qaeda') are just not true.
And us Kalifornyans wouldn’t have a multiple billion dollar budget deficit if Tom was Guv. I voted for him, in spite of the scare tactics from the RINOs in Orange County.
Be careful saying that here. People will call you a doper. I happen to agree with you, and I’m sober as a judge.
Don't think of him as "anti-Iraqi-War"...think "Small Government, America-First, and Fiscally Responsible." Is it REALLY responsible for us to borrow $1,500,000,000,000 to stop the guy in the Middle East who was keeping Iran at bay and fighting for secularism in a Muslim country? Think about it...that's $10,000 for every American family, while we kept the border wide open. Does that REALLY help our security enough to borrow so much from the Chicoms?
Fiscal responsibility is supposed to be a conservative hallmark, yet we have an Administration that said, "Baloney!" to the idea that the Iraq could cost us as much as $300 billion. Can you imagine if a Democrat administration had given an estimate and then spent 20 times as much of taxpayers' money on something? FR would go NUTS.
Ron Paul is conservative, and that includes his foreign policy. And if you have trouble with the pullout idea, remember that he wouldn't take office for a year.
Or keep borrowing money to throw into the region.
Funny, I'm glad you brought that up...
Please note that These are contributions from employees of Google Inc. and not necessarily the "company" itself.
Now if you will please note here are the top 6 contributors to the RP campaign:
1) Google Inc $22,250
2) US Army $21,018
3) US Navy $14,105
4) Microsoft Corp $12,863
5) Huffines Communities $11,850
6) US Air Force $10,950
So it seems that although Google is the "Top" contributor... to the RP campaign, w/ $22,250, it could be argued that the true "Top" contributor is the US Miliary w/ $46,073.
Of course I am using the same source OpenSecrets.org - RON PAUL (R) Top Contributors
In the 1930s.
Funny, isn't it? People claim to want someone who is conservative and honest and tells it straight and isn't just pandering, yet when one comes along...
I knew I liked Tom McClintock. Now I like him even more. Go Ron go!
You don't... all but $10,799 of Paul's $8.2 million plus in campaign contributions (reported to the FEC so far) have come from individual donors, like me. Google's employees apparently have contributed more to him than the employees of any other company. One of them even quit his job a while back to campaign for Paul full-time.
I think SoCal is trying to smear Dr. Paul by implying that he gets corporate financing from them, and, by implication, is beholden to them in return. Not true... he can't be bought, and big donors like PACs and lobbyists quit trying years ago. There's too many politicians that can be bought for them to keep trying anyway.
As far as the google employees go, imagine that? A bunch of highly skilled, highly educated technology workers support Paul. He must be ashamed.
I’m presently resting my hopes on Romney’s success, because among the remaining candidates he is the only one with the combination of morals, intelligence, business-like manner, and recognition of what our main problems are, that is required of a president (in either party!).
Ron Paul is quite intelligent, and top shelf in economics and personal liberties, but his idea of how to conduct foreign policy is bizzare.
Thanks for the ping CCG.
If Ron Paul steals a few points from the other candidates, a brokered convention could be even more likely.
Henry Grady Weaver, author of a classic book on freedom, The Mainspring of Human Progress, years ago warned us that good intentions in politics are not good enough and actually are dangerous to the cause. Weaver stated:
“Most of the major ills of the world have been caused by well-meaning people who ignored the principle of individual freedom, except as applied to themselves, and who were obsessed with fanatical zeal to improve the lot of mankind-in-the-mass through some pet formula of their own. The harm done by ordinary criminals, murderers, gangsters, and thieves is negligible in comparison with the agony inflicted upon human beings by the professional do-gooders, who attempt to set themselves up as gods on earth and who would ruthlessly force their views on all others- with the abiding assurance that the end justifies the means.”
This message is one we should all ponder.
That's the kind of thinking that will have us choosing between McSenator, and Ms. Senator. Please don't do it. We have a viable candidate in Romney; not perfect, but better than any of the rest that remain.
This is one cRaZy political season. And Duncan Hunter endorsed the Hucknut! Who woulda ever thunk it would come to this?
The "We the People Act" would restrict federal courts to their role of judging Constitutionality, and would have prevented them from spending money on enforcement of rulings...keeping enforcement power in the Executive branch and making Federal precedents non-binding on State courts.
The Constitutionality of the Act is laid out in the act itself.
It doesn't have to be gold, but we have to have a standard. Fiat money empowers tyrants, and permits oligarchy. The real world value of our paper investments has been depleted by 30% in the past year by the decline of the dollar. How much more do you want to give to the banking cartel?
I don't want a candidate who panders to the idiocy some voters. I want a (Get this!) principled candidate who says what's right instead of what's popular. A staggered surrender (The Paul/Clinton plan) is still a surrender and the wrong thing to do. As the so-called "Libertarian Candidate", one would have expected Paul to understand that one of government's proper functions is to protect its people from the aggressive use of force. Paul forgets this in his pandering, moonbat mode.
No thanks. I don’t intend to waste my vote on Romney.
Give up telling lies about Ron Paul.
We here in Florida are going to send your New York Boy Rudy packing. Keep him up there with you and the rest of the NY liberals. Y’all are stinking up the place down here.
Now that you put it that way.