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With Thompson out, Tom McClintock leans to Ron Paul
Los Angeles Times ^ | Jan 25, 2008 | Dan Morain

Posted on 01/25/2008 12:59:01 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful

With Fred Thompson out of the presidential race, who's a self-respecting conservative to go for? Could it be, maybe, perhaps, a certain Republican-libertarian from Texas?

That's one question perplexing California state Sen. Tom McClintock, possibly the second-most-famous California Republican currently in office after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

McClintock created a stir two months when he endorsed Thompson’s presidential candidacy. Having run for governor, lieutenant governor and state controller, McClintock has shown that while he has not won a statewide contest, he can win GOP primaries, which conservatives tend to dominate. So heading into the Feb. 5 primary, McClintock’s endorsement is seen as important in California.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; donquixote; elections; fredthompson; mcclintock; paul; ronpaul; tommcclintock; tommiclintock
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To: ToryNotion

So Ron Paul will position soldiers in tall buildings?


201 posted on 01/25/2008 3:05:22 PM PST by ajay_kumar (United we win, divided democrats win. How difficult is that to understand?)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
200 posts on this thread. Ron Paul really does hit a nerve.
202 posted on 01/25/2008 3:05:41 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
When November rolls around and McCain or Romney loses in a landslide to Hillary I'll be making plans to move to Costa Rica.

**********************

Why wait? If your loyalty to our country is so frail, leave now.

203 posted on 01/25/2008 3:05:49 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: KDD

“War does not equal conservatism”

No but anti-war and anti-american does equal liberal!

Surrendering to a Rebel government in Richmond, to the Germans, Japanese and Alquaeda aint sure as hell aint conservative.

As far as your 7 out of 10 comment, tell me again where you differ from the anti-war left? Cause you sure sound like a kos kid to me.


204 posted on 01/25/2008 3:06:16 PM PST by darkmatter ("Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster" William T. Sherman)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
I must say, I don’t know why so many individuals find Romney much better than McCain. To me, Romney seems to have just as many warts.

McCain supported Amnesty. McCain opposed the Bush tax cut and actually used class warfare rhetoric straight from the Democratic handbook in doing so. McCain is fully on board the whacko Al Gore "glocal warming" kick. Republicans can't stomach that. Romney was not my candidate, but McCain has far more warts.

205 posted on 01/25/2008 3:07:17 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Trying hard to manufacture a loss in Iraq ... all for politics)
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To: Redcloak
Fred Thompson is still on my ballot and I’m voting for him anyway.

Good! I've been elected as a delegate, from my precinct, to my county convention. I intend to keep supporting Fred. He might have dropped out of the race, but he could still bring some delegates to the national convention.

206 posted on 01/25/2008 3:07:23 PM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: 3niner

I’m voting for Fred in the primary. At least I can feel good about it, which I could not voting for any of the others.


207 posted on 01/25/2008 3:09:12 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
Tancredo -> Romney (while Thompson was still a contender)
Hunter -> Huckabee
McClintock -> Ron Paul

Is anybody sincere anymore?

208 posted on 01/25/2008 3:10:39 PM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Dr. Paul may be a bit of a tard on foreign policy, but don't kid yourself for a second that his domestic policy doesn't beat the tar out of any other GOP candidate out there.

I have to agree...his 'Economic Revitalization Plan' (posted at his website) is a conservative's wet dream; repealing the death tax, eliminating capital gains taxes; taxes on tips and social security, etc.

209 posted on 01/25/2008 3:13:24 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: 3niner

Given the choices, what’s insincere about supporting what you believe to be the lesser of five evils?


210 posted on 01/25/2008 3:13:25 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: calcowgirl

“Sources, please...”

CIvil War:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOE4Ip7In0 - 126k

World Wars 1 and 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0u_v9T0F8&feature=related

Yea call me picky but I would rather vote for a Mitt or a Rudy who actually cares whether we win than that clown you call a leader.

By the way if you are so for Ron Paul, why wouldnt YOU vote for the ‘Rats? Dennis Kucinich loves your guy:

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/119606963456620.xml&coll=2

The only people here close to voting for dems are anti-war Ron Paul supporters.


211 posted on 01/25/2008 3:14:38 PM PST by darkmatter ("Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster" William T. Sherman)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
"Will it not leave a power vacuum?"

Sure.

Much like the vacuum in Paul's HEAD!

212 posted on 01/25/2008 3:14:39 PM PST by aj7360
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
But can the Republican Party really endorse an anti-Iraq-War candidate?

The party can't, but lots of voters will. I'm voting for him because he's far better than "none of the above".

213 posted on 01/25/2008 3:14:59 PM PST by glorgau
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To: rom
Now that's something I can get behind.

I have found myself liking Paul more and more in the past few weeks. I always thought that in the grand scheme of things that there is a dimes worth of difference between R's and D's (for the most part). What I particularly like about Paul is that despite his low poll numbers and nonexistant media coverage up to this point, he hasn't changed his Constitutionalist views. The rest of these guys change their views, or at least try to conceal them, whenever they think it might get them a few more votes and then attack everyone else for changing their views.

214 posted on 01/25/2008 3:15:03 PM PST by frankiep (Democrats base their ideology on the premise that you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.)
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To: sourcery

Good Tagline!


215 posted on 01/25/2008 3:15:27 PM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

Just imagine, if McClintock would have become gov of CA, now the Gov of CA would be endorsing Ron Paul!


216 posted on 01/25/2008 3:17:50 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

Great choice Tom! Guess you’ll be going down with the ship MMMMMMM


217 posted on 01/25/2008 3:17:54 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
Why not former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney? "I want somebody with a consistent record," McClintock said. "I want someone who didn’t have to go through a political epiphany the day before he announced his candidacy."

Me too. No Romney for me, no way, no how.

218 posted on 01/25/2008 3:21:18 PM PST by Catphish
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

There are two things with Paul that keep me from supporting him. His isolationist stance on the MiddleEast and his support for legalization of drugs and support for other neoliberal causes. As for the Primary. I’m voting for Fred Thompson and I may just write him in for the General Election depending on how the nominee behaves himself. McCain and Romney are going to watch themselves because if they start using “compassionate conservative” rhetoric then I’m not voting for either of them.

I’m sick of it. I gave it a try with GWB and all it got him was beating by the left and it has shattered the GOP into splinters. It also blurred in the minds of the general public the differences between Republicans and Democrats.
Now we have to reestablish ourselves as the party of fiscal responsibility. I don’t think it will be too hard because looking at the proposals coming out of the left fiscal responsibility isn’t even on their minds. What they are proposing will make the spending of Republicans look like an account only slightly overdrawn. One thing is certain is that if the GOP nominee decides to play nice with the left he will be destroyed.

The gloves are off and there is a reason the Democrat controlled Congress is rushing to implement a tax cut rebate. They see it as an investment with hopes of more spending and future tax hikes.


219 posted on 01/25/2008 3:21:30 PM PST by Maelstorm ("Christ didnít tell us to go to the government...He told us to do it." Fred Thompson)
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Obviously there is going to be disagreement on the WOT. Dr. Paul has, through his rhetoric, convinced me that his position is the correct one. That aside, because among conservatives there will not be agreement, what are the positions that Dr. Paul is less conservative than the other candidates? Abortion? Paul is the most pro-life of the candidates and can speak on the issue (and has) from a very personal perspective. Economics? A return to a secure dollar which can compete internationally and creates true wealth for Americans is factorially more conservative and better for you and me than the other candidates. Entitlement programs? Paul wants to end all of them. Immigration? He wants to deport all illegal immigrants and offer no amnety. Trade? Paul is the only one who will condemn the horrible free-trade agreements that the U.S.A. has signed into and furthermore is the only one who will address and oppose the slipery-slope leading to a North American Economic Union. Guns? Paul is the staunchest individual-freedom candidate left.
220 posted on 01/25/2008 3:22:06 PM PST by Castro (Moses supposes his toeses are roses...)
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To: Castro

Sorry for the formatting.


221 posted on 01/25/2008 3:24:21 PM PST by Castro (Moses supposes his toeses are roses...)
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To: CurlyBill

Don’t forget McCain-Feingold.

But where does Romney stand. Here is a man who supports No Child Left Behind, supports the Department of Ed (flipping after being against it), supports minimum wage, supported regulating the energy industry, raised taxes (including the gas tax), forced citizens to accept government funded health insurance(!), flipped on gun control, flipped on the Bush tax cuts, flipped on gay rights, flipped on government-subsidized embryonic stem cell research, flipped on abortion—yes, he says he had a “Road to Damascus” conversion on that, but given all his other flips, do we really want to hang our hats on that.

Thus, I conclude he’s no better than McCain.


222 posted on 01/25/2008 3:27:53 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

Is it that he is really “Anti-War” or is it more “Anti-Nation Building, Anti-UN authorized not really war war”?

Seems to me that THOSE ARE Republican Positions.


223 posted on 01/25/2008 3:28:45 PM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

I’ve ignored him, not forgotten the [expletive]. Nothing I hate more than a hypocrite Christian. They make the real ones look badly. Huck is one of those kind. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.


224 posted on 01/25/2008 3:29:07 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: SubGeniusX

eeeew. but funny.


225 posted on 01/25/2008 3:29:12 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: darkmatter
... www.youtube.com/watch?... www.youtube.com/watch?... www.cleveland.com/news...

None of those references support your statement.

Yea call me picky but I would rather vote for a Mitt or a Rudy who actually cares whether we win than that clown you call a leader. By the way if you are so for Ron Paul...

I'm not for Ron Paul (I haven't picked a candidate yet -- Rudy and Huck were crossed off my list long ago, though). I'm just sick of the misrepresentation of positions and baseless rhetoric against -- it does nothing to advance the discussion. Statements like yours ('advocate surrender to Al Qaeda') are just not true.

226 posted on 01/25/2008 3:30:44 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Maelstorm
his support for legalization of drugs and support for other neoliberal causes.

I actually agree with him that the drug laws should be left up to the states. It's not in the federal government's purview.
227 posted on 01/25/2008 3:31:02 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: FocusNexus

And us Kalifornyans wouldn’t have a multiple billion dollar budget deficit if Tom was Guv. I voted for him, in spite of the scare tactics from the RINOs in Orange County.


228 posted on 01/25/2008 3:31:33 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

Be careful saying that here. People will call you a doper. I happen to agree with you, and I’m sober as a judge.


229 posted on 01/25/2008 3:32:29 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
But can the Republican Party really endorse an anti-Iraq-War candidate?

Don't think of him as "anti-Iraqi-War"...think "Small Government, America-First, and Fiscally Responsible." Is it REALLY responsible for us to borrow $1,500,000,000,000 to stop the guy in the Middle East who was keeping Iran at bay and fighting for secularism in a Muslim country? Think about it...that's $10,000 for every American family, while we kept the border wide open. Does that REALLY help our security enough to borrow so much from the Chicoms?


Fiscal responsibility is supposed to be a conservative hallmark, yet we have an Administration that said, "Baloney!" to the idea that the Iraq could cost us as much as $300 billion. Can you imagine if a Democrat administration had given an estimate and then spent 20 times as much of taxpayers' money on something? FR would go NUTS.

Ron Paul is conservative, and that includes his foreign policy. And if you have trouble with the pullout idea, remember that he wouldn't take office for a year.

230 posted on 01/25/2008 3:33:35 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: RKV
Be careful saying that here. People will call you a doper.

I wonder when anti-federalism became a left-wing issue...
231 posted on 01/25/2008 3:35:17 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Which is what will happen if we turn tuck-tail on the War Against Islamofascism.

Or keep borrowing money to throw into the region.

232 posted on 01/25/2008 3:35:26 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SoCalPol; Castro
Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google...

Funny, I'm glad you brought that up...

Please note that These are contributions from employees of Google Inc. and not necessarily the "company" itself.

Now if you will please note here are the top 6 contributors to the RP campaign:

1) Google Inc $22,250
2) US Army $21,018
3) US Navy $14,105

4) Microsoft Corp $12,863
5) Huffines Communities $11,850
6) US Air Force $10,950

So it seems that although Google is the "Top" contributor... to the RP campaign, w/ $22,250, it could be argued that the true "Top" contributor is the US Miliary w/ $46,073.

Of course I am using the same source OpenSecrets.org - RON PAUL (R) Top Contributors

233 posted on 01/25/2008 3:35:59 PM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have Unenumerated Rights, The Government does not have Unenumerated Powers!)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

In the 1930s.


234 posted on 01/25/2008 3:36:21 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: frankiep
I have found myself liking Paul more and more in the past few weeks. [...] What I particularly like about Paul is that despite his low poll numbers and nonexistant media coverage up to this point, he hasn't changed his Constitutionalist views.

Funny, isn't it? People claim to want someone who is conservative and honest and tells it straight and isn't just pandering, yet when one comes along...

235 posted on 01/25/2008 3:36:42 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

I knew I liked Tom McClintock. Now I like him even more. Go Ron go!


236 posted on 01/25/2008 3:37:16 PM PST by Allan Bartlett
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To: Castro; SoCalPol
Where do you go on OpenSecrets.org for a donor breakdown to see that Google is Paul’s main contributor?

You don't... all but $10,799 of Paul's $8.2 million plus in campaign contributions (reported to the FEC so far) have come from individual donors, like me. Google's employees apparently have contributed more to him than the employees of any other company. One of them even quit his job a while back to campaign for Paul full-time.

I think SoCal is trying to smear Dr. Paul by implying that he gets corporate financing from them, and, by implication, is beholden to them in return. Not true... he can't be bought, and big donors like PACs and lobbyists quit trying years ago. There's too many politicians that can be bought for them to keep trying anyway.

As far as the google employees go, imagine that? A bunch of highly skilled, highly educated technology workers support Paul. He must be ashamed.

237 posted on 01/25/2008 3:37:33 PM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Ron Paul 2008 - (last) Hope for America!)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful; calcowgirl

I’m presently resting my hopes on Romney’s success, because among the remaining candidates he is the only one with the combination of morals, intelligence, business-like manner, and recognition of what our main problems are, that is required of a president (in either party!).

Ron Paul is quite intelligent, and top shelf in economics and personal liberties, but his idea of how to conduct foreign policy is bizzare.

Thanks for the ping CCG.


238 posted on 01/25/2008 3:37:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

If Ron Paul steals a few points from the other candidates, a brokered convention could be even more likely.


239 posted on 01/25/2008 3:40:26 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Donating to Fred Thompson is the antidote to media bias.)
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To: CurlyBill

Henry Grady Weaver, author of a classic book on freedom, The Mainspring of Human Progress, years ago warned us that good intentions in politics are not good enough and actually are dangerous to the cause. Weaver stated:

“Most of the major ills of the world have been caused by well-meaning people who ignored the principle of individual freedom, except as applied to themselves, and who were obsessed with fanatical zeal to improve the lot of mankind-in-the-mass through some pet formula of their own. The harm done by ordinary criminals, murderers, gangsters, and thieves is negligible in comparison with the agony inflicted upon human beings by the professional do-gooders, who attempt to set themselves up as gods on earth and who would ruthlessly force their views on all others- with the abiding assurance that the end justifies the means.”

This message is one we should all ponder.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=740


240 posted on 01/25/2008 3:41:48 PM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful
For the time being, as a former supporter of Duncan Hunter, with second and third choices for Tancredo and Thompson, and a sworn enemy of RINOs and the MSM and State GOP parties which support and coddle them, while not decided on the vote when it comes to my stae, on online polls at least (such as with FR) for the time being, I am casting it for Ron Paul just to upset the apple cart and shove it in the face of the FRLS. Four RINOs Left Standing.
241 posted on 01/25/2008 3:41:52 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Enough has been said already. The 2008 GOP RINO takeover is complete. It is what it is.)
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To: Redcloak
"Fred Thompson is still on my ballot and I’m voting for him anyway."

That's the kind of thinking that will have us choosing between McSenator, and Ms. Senator. Please don't do it. We have a viable candidate in Romney; not perfect, but better than any of the rest that remain.

242 posted on 01/25/2008 3:42:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful

This is one cRaZy political season. And Duncan Hunter endorsed the Hucknut! Who woulda ever thunk it would come to this?


243 posted on 01/25/2008 3:46:12 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Redcloak
"If Paul wasn’t a moonbat on the war, I’d support him."


Ron's real problem is not necessarily his position on the war, but his naivete on the threat of radical Islam.
244 posted on 01/25/2008 3:47:06 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: mnehrling; jmc813; rom
The "We the People Act" wouldn't be necessary were the Constitution actually followed, just like the Bill of Rights wouldn't be needed were the Constitution actually followed. Nowhere does it give the power of Congress to take our guns and nowhere does it give the courts the power to make or enforce law.

The "We the People Act" would restrict federal courts to their role of judging Constitutionality, and would have prevented them from spending money on enforcement of rulings...keeping enforcement power in the Executive branch and making Federal precedents non-binding on State courts.

The Constitutionality of the Act is laid out in the act itself.

245 posted on 01/25/2008 3:47:08 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: CautiouslyHopeful; ToryNotion
"...this gold standard business seem odd to me."

It doesn't have to be gold, but we have to have a standard. Fiat money empowers tyrants, and permits oligarchy. The real world value of our paper investments has been depleted by 30% in the past year by the decline of the dollar. How much more do you want to give to the banking cartel?

246 posted on 01/25/2008 3:48:12 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
His opinions on the war is shared by over two-thirds of the country. How are the other RINOs going to get these votes?

I don't want a candidate who panders to the idiocy some voters. I want a (Get this!) principled candidate who says what's right instead of what's popular. A staggered surrender (The Paul/Clinton plan) is still a surrender and the wrong thing to do. As the so-called "Libertarian Candidate", one would have expected Paul to understand that one of government's proper functions is to protect its people from the aggressive use of force. Paul forgets this in his pandering, moonbat mode.

247 posted on 01/25/2008 3:51:14 PM PST by Redcloak (Dingos ate my tagline.)
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To: editor-surveyor

No thanks. I don’t intend to waste my vote on Romney.


248 posted on 01/25/2008 3:53:39 PM PST by Redcloak (Dingos ate my tagline.)
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To: darkmatter

Give up telling lies about Ron Paul.

We here in Florida are going to send your New York Boy Rudy packing. Keep him up there with you and the rest of the NY liberals. Y’all are stinking up the place down here.


249 posted on 01/25/2008 3:54:42 PM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: antinomian
Remember wars end but federal programs never do.

Now that you put it that way.

250 posted on 01/25/2008 3:56:55 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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