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Exemption allows lesbian pastor's ordination [ELCA continues pursuit of denominational apostasy]
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | January 18, 2008 | JEFF STRICKLER

Posted on 01/26/2008 3:42:36 AM PST by Zender500

You only have a few more hours to call Jen Nagel Jen. After her ordination at 2 p.m. today, you have to start calling her the Rev. Nagel -- unless you're a member of the national board of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), in which case you probably don't want to call her at all.

Nagel is being ordained despite being committed to a same-sex relationship. The national ELCA doesn't approve of the ordination of gay ministers. But an exemption in the bylaws was passed at the national convention in August allowing local synods to not object to such ordinations, which is what is happening -- or not happening, depending on how you interpret all of this -- with Nagel.

"I still won't be listed on the national ELCA roster" of ministers, she said. "Officially, I will not be accepted as a pastor by the ELCA, but the people of the local ELCA are accepting me."

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: elca; homosexualagenda; lutheran; religiousleft
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To: Zender500

It’s to be expected they are in kahoots with ECUSA, sorry I meant TEC.


21 posted on 01/26/2008 6:58:24 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Zender500
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22 posted on 01/26/2008 7:23:41 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; Arrowhead1952; ..


Lutheran (ELCA) Ping!

Once again a congregation of the ELCA will violate the church Constitutions by "calling" a person not eligible to be on the clergy roster; and, most likely, once again no disciplinary action will be taken against the congregation. Especially since this congregation is a big contributor of "Mission Support" to its Synod, and, by extension, churchwide.

Money talks. All violations are equal but some are more equal than others.

23 posted on 01/26/2008 9:04:50 AM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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To: Zender500
Salem is hardly a large, vibrant congregation.

According to the ELCA statistical report the congergation has declined in membership 65% since 1990.

But, "amazingly", the Mission support giving just shot up 300% last year!

Money talks. Johann Tetzel would be so proud.

24 posted on 01/26/2008 9:16:44 AM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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To: driftdiver
"All churches have to be run as a business. They all have bills and they all have “income”."

That's not true at all. Everyone alive pretty much has bills and income but that doesn't make them a business. A business is run to maximize income over expenses - profit. A Church should just be interested the amount of income necessary to to cover the expenses necessary to carry out it's mission. The mission stays paramount. When the desire for income becomes the primary focus (as with most megachurch entertainment centers) it's really no longer a Church, just a very profiable social center.

25 posted on 01/26/2008 9:17:51 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Waco

There will be no need to go to church at all when the pastors become poster creatures for sin.


26 posted on 01/26/2008 10:16:44 AM PST by tessalu
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To: joebuck

“That’s not true at all. Everyone alive pretty much has bills and income but that doesn’t make them a business. “

It is very true. They must be run with the discipline of a business or they will not succeed. Businesses are not only about making a profit, they are also about selling a product or service. Churches lacking the discipline of a business waste money and typically never grow.

For churches the product is salvation and the service is meeting the needs of the members. Profits are still required but instead of going to the ‘shareholders’ they are reinvested.

Just because a church is ‘mega’ does not mean its bad or failing God. Likewise a small church is not automatically blessed.

Churches seek to become more modern as that it what it takes to get people in the door. The old fashioned service we grew up with has trouble competing with the World for the hearts of the lost.


27 posted on 01/26/2008 10:47:08 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: tessalu
There will be no need to go to church at all when the pastors become poster creatures for sin.

The seven deadly sins are pretty much considered sarcaments, nowadays.

28 posted on 01/26/2008 10:50:15 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell

“The seven deadly sins are pretty much considered sarcaments, nowadays.”

This really shouldn’t surprise anyone. The bible talks about the false teachers and churches that have fallen from grace.


29 posted on 01/26/2008 10:54:02 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: rhema; lightman; aberaussie; redgolum

....[Nagel]...”But this affirmation by a wider community makes this a bigger ordination than normal.”....

1. Like many “mainline”/lameline “gay””pastors” and “bishops”, Ms. Nagel is puffed up with arrogance!!!! Her “ordination” is in reality of ZERO importance, since it is completely invalid. Perhaps many of her audience are mere curiosity-seekers, who are coming to see a freak show!!!!

2. The ELCA “gay” lobby, “Lutherans Concerned” (LCNA), invites us to see an online version of a TV documentary, “For the Bible Tells Me So”.

http://www.lcna.org/lcna_news/2008-01-15.shtm

In their introduction to the video, LCNA states:

......”My understanding is that Jesus, in Matthew 19 and Mark 10, says that sexual union is valid in a one man/one woman relationship,” Pastor Dave Glesne says.

“When someone says this is what the Bible says, my response to them is ‘no;’ that is what it reads. It is the struggle to understand context and language,”.....

The entire lameline “gay” movement is based on twisting Scripture beyiond what it “reads” to a distorted version that supports the “gay” agenda, but contradicts the entire witness of the apostolic Church. Similarly, lameline feminists, globalists, and muslim-enablers do a similar job of Scripture-twisting to support their agendas, which are not unrelated to the “gay” one.


30 posted on 01/26/2008 4:41:08 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb
The entire lameline “gay” movement is based on twisting Scripture beyiond what it “reads” to a distorted version that supports the “gay” agenda, but contradicts the entire witness of the apostolic Church. Similarly, lameline feminists, globalists, and muslim-enablers do a similar job of Scripture-twisting to support their agendas, which are not unrelated to the “gay” one.

The ELCA willfully ignores this:

"When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studies in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise. God in revealing His Word neither intends nor permits the reader to be confused. He wants His children to understand." [Dr. D. A. Waite, Ephesians, p. 10]

The Bible proclaims its authority to judge its readers; the ELCA proclaims its authority to judge the Bible.

32 posted on 01/26/2008 5:41:19 PM PST by Zender500
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To: Zender500

I finished writing my resignation letter today. I’m gone. Goodbye ELCA.


33 posted on 01/26/2008 5:45:52 PM PST by BigFinn (Amateurs...built the ark. Professionals...built the Titanic)
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To: BigFinn
I finished writing my resignation letter today. I’m gone. Goodbye ELCA.

Martin Luther couldn't be an ELCA member today. And frankly, they wouldn't want him; he'd miss no opportunity to rain all over their Bible-twisting parade.

34 posted on 01/26/2008 6:01:51 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Rosemont

So long as they continue defying and trashing the Word, so long will their membership continue to shrink.


35 posted on 01/26/2008 6:11:08 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: BigFinn
I finished writing my resignation letter today. I’m gone. Goodbye ELCA.

And hello, freedom from being "unequally yoked" with a denomination that treats the Bible like activist judges treat the "living" Constitution.

36 posted on 01/26/2008 6:31:55 PM PST by Zender500
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To: lightman
Salem is hardly a large, vibrant congregation. According to the ELCA statistical report the congergation has declined in membership 65% since 1990. But, "amazingly", the Mission support giving just shot up 300% last year! Money talks. Johann Tetzel would be so proud.

That's about one moneyed liberal ponying up 3 grand as an expression of gratitude to a denomination that wouldn't dream of exerting an iota of Scriptural discipline.

37 posted on 01/26/2008 6:41:56 PM PST by Zender500
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To: Waco

It already happened.


38 posted on 01/26/2008 6:48:13 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Zender500
a denomination that treats the Bible like activist judges treat the "living" Constitution.

PERFECT analogy!

Revisionistas are like the Queen of Hearts "words mean whatever I want them to mean". Lewis Carroll was prophetic.

39 posted on 01/26/2008 6:57:57 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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To: lightman
Once again a congregation of the ELCA will violate the church Constitutions by "calling" a person not eligible to be on the clergy roster;

But she's been installed in an “Extraordinary Ordination” and rostered by Extraordinary Lutheran Ministries. How can you argue against a superfluity of "extraordinaries"?

40 posted on 01/26/2008 7:01:22 PM PST by Zender500
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