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Did Mitt Call for Withdrawal in Iraq?
Political Machine ^ | Jan 26th 2008 | Eric Schulzke

Posted on 01/26/2008 6:06:51 PM PST by Delacon

Apparently not. I say apparently not, because a very brief AP report on McCain's charge and Romney's emphatic denial ends with this paragraph:

While he has never set public date for withdrawal, Romney has said that President Bush and Iraqi leaders should have private timetables and benchmarks with which to gauge progress on the war and determine troop levels. He has said publicly that he agrees with Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, that U.S. troops could move to more of an oversight role in 2008. It is possible that the AP missed something very obvious in Romney's public record here, but I seriously doubt it. It's just as possible that the New England Patriots overlooked some game tape on Eli Manning. The AP, as anyone following this race knows, has been so anti-Romney as to defy parody. If this is the best they can come up with to put a hint of plausibility on McCain's attack, then McCain's case must be very weak indeed. Calling for private timetables and benchmarks with which to gauge progress, etc.. is a world away from McCain's charge. In fact, it is a highly reasonable posture for even the most aggressive proponent of victory. Ah, how far we have come from the heady days of Cindy Sheehan's ascendancy, when everyone assumed that the retreat from Iraq couldn't happen fast enough, and the last politician to deny responsibility for the war would have to turn out the lights. Give the military and the president credit for ignoring the pundits and senile elder statesmen who tried to talk them into retreat.

But McCain's straight talk express swerved into the mud on this one, and the fact that he chose to do so suggests some desperation. He will only get away with it if the MSM who have invested so heavily in his success cover for him.

For his part, Mitt should have the resources to counter this sleight of hand from the straight talker. And the fact that he does illustrates, again, the danger of suppressing free speech as embodied in McCain-Feingold. When the MSM conspires with a candidate to promote a lie and suppress its counter, someone needs to be able to do the end run.

It reminds me of an essay written by Lynn Nofziger years ago during the OJ trial. Nofziger had been falsely indicted for corruption during the Reagan years and fought the rap and won. He pointed out that any time a state or federal decides it wants to take someone out, the resources it brings to the table dwarf anyones capacity to counter them. We shouldn't fault those -- like the Duke lacrosse players who have the resources and fight back. We should applaud them.

Likewise with the candidate who has the resources to counter an MSM that shoots at him on sight but slavishly panders to his opponent.


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Couldn't have said it better myself. No really, I couldn't. I tried in several posts already.
1 posted on 01/26/2008 6:06:52 PM PST by Delacon
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To: Delacon

Of course there should be private timetables between the US and Iraqi government. It’s part of having a plan and strategy. The problem comes when you get asshats demanding publicly announced timetables.


2 posted on 01/26/2008 6:09:43 PM PST by frankiep (Democrats base their ideology on the premise that you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.)
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To: Delacon

But Romney is a RINO, can’t win, weak candidate, the hair, etc ad nauseum.

Don’t get why people hate the guy. I can understand people who have some trepidation about him, but there’s a contingent on FR that just outright hates the guy.


3 posted on 01/26/2008 6:10:20 PM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Delacon

I want us out of the middle east as well, tomorrow would be fine.

Then,

blow the friggen place into ice.


4 posted on 01/26/2008 6:13:29 PM PST by edcoil
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To: Delacon

Not worth discussing. Personally I support the guy who wants to just move the Iraqis aside and pump the oil out until the place is worthless and empty.


5 posted on 01/26/2008 6:13:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Terpfen

I last voted democratic for Jimmy Carter, But if McCain becomes nominee of the party I will vote Democrat because McCain has hurt the conservative movement more than any other Republican. Can you image what liberals ideas would become law if he became president? At least Hillary would have the Republicans in congress fighting her and not making McCain legislation go though which could kill the conservative movement for decades.
I’m a radical conservative but if McCain wins say goodbye to the Conservative movement for decades. Plus the politicians who back that phony would increase.


6 posted on 01/26/2008 6:14:15 PM PST by factmart
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To: Terpfen

He is a weaker candidate than John McCain.. that’s true of all the other candidates.

And it’s true that Romney is a drive-by conservative. His conservatism is a means, not an end in itself. He’s more like Christine Todd Whitman in terms of Abortion. I would support him even if he was a moderate.. if he could just be honest and genuine. As a Mormon, he just strikes me as a calculating type person on almost every statement he does.

To that extent.. his position on Iraq fits that. He’s not speaking with conviction.. hedging, checking polls, wondering if he has chosen the right position on an issue to get the nomination.


7 posted on 01/26/2008 6:14:55 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Terpfen
He has a shiny "chrome-like" stripe running straight down from his forehead over his nose, to his chin.

Don't know if that's a reason to distrust or hate him, but maybe he actually is a space alien.

8 posted on 01/26/2008 6:15:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: frankiep

I think McCain is trying to change subject from economy to Iraq.
But, yes I don’t care whether Romney did say what McCain claimed or not, I think that privately our president should have a secrete timetable with Iraqi leaders. At least to push them to take responsibility.
It’s painful to look at McCain’s face on the campaign, remembering what he said and did in the Senate all these years.


9 posted on 01/26/2008 6:15:46 PM PST by RedRepublic
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To: muawiyah

No , he did NOT.
McCrazy is a dirty liar.

I will never vote for that slime-bag


10 posted on 01/26/2008 6:16:25 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: JaneNC

“No , he did NOT. McCrazy is a dirty liar. I will never vote for that slime-bag “

Don’t hold back.. please tell us what you really think


11 posted on 01/26/2008 6:17:09 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: frankiep

The problem is the US and Iraqi governments leak information the second they get it. the terrorists would know the timetables once they were created in secret. Mitt does not understand the nature of the modern world.

And there should be no timetables for withdrawl. Withdrawl should be determined by the situation on the ground.


12 posted on 01/26/2008 6:18:00 PM PST by John Robie
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To: Count of Monte Logan
Why is McCain a "strong" candidate? He can't even pull the Republican base ~ and Fur Shur he's not going to attract any Democrats except that hardcore over there who will never vote for a black man.

Think of it this way. You want the Republican base (if you are a Republican) to support you, but if you like to kill babies it doesn't matter how Conservative you are, and if you like to suppress free speech, you don't get the Conservatives either.

The two top media supported candidates have been Giuliani and McCain and neither one of these guys can get the nomination.

13 posted on 01/26/2008 6:18:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Count of Monte Logan

Mitt is not a weaker candidate. McCain looks like he is about to die. Mitt’s numbers are going up everywhere.


14 posted on 01/26/2008 6:18:41 PM PST by libbylu (Why vote for a democrat with an R next to his name? I'm a MITTen.)
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To: RedRepublic

Not just all those years . . . last year.

Last year he SPIT on the effort by the base to stop his amnesty bill.

Rewarding him dishonors that effort. He must be punished for that, and doing so now does so forever.


15 posted on 01/26/2008 6:18:58 PM PST by Owen
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To: JaneNC

Which one?


16 posted on 01/26/2008 6:19:12 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: John Robie

I think Mitt was trying to parse this issue.. in supporting Bush with the veto, but still when I listen to him, he was willing to go against the surge or turn on the war if it was in his best political interest. You know where John McCain has stood.


17 posted on 01/26/2008 6:19:32 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: libbylu

Republicans like Mitt. Dems and drive bys like McCrazy

“Mitt is not a weaker candidate. McCain looks like he is about to die. Mitt’s numbers are going up everywhere.”


18 posted on 01/26/2008 6:19:41 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: edcoil
Graphic for your rant.


19 posted on 01/26/2008 6:20:49 PM PST by ASA Vet
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To: muawiyah

McCain appeals to blue states, independents, vetrans, old person(a major voting block), etc.. he can win the general election. Romney is 5-10 points below McCain I think in potential for general election success.


20 posted on 01/26/2008 6:21:30 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Delacon

McCain’s buddy Senator Graham was on Hannity and C. tonight, and Sean ripped into him on this. Graham refused to answer, just looked slimy and kept repeating the talking points. I considered it the closest we’ll get to an admission of guilt.


21 posted on 01/26/2008 6:22:01 PM PST by coramdeo
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To: frankiep

“Of course there should be private timetables between the US and Iraqi government. It’s part of having a plan and strategy. The problem comes when you get asshats demanding publicly announced timetables.”

True but McCainiacs want to miss that point. See its all because the dems before the surge wanted a timetable for withdrawal if milestones WEREN’T met. IE if Iraq doesnt do this or that by such and such a time then we will withdraw. That is the kind of timetable that is flat out wrong. It is the kind of timetable McCain is trying to hang on Romney. Now Romney in that interview didn’t say anything like that. The goal is to leave Iraq in a stable condition where the government and the army can maintain it. That is the milestone. We would like that to be sometime in the next year or two. Thats the timetable and its a good one. But it can be changed if the milestone isnt met. That is what Romney was talking about. It was low for McCain to suggest otherwise.


22 posted on 01/26/2008 6:22:27 PM PST by Delacon (Don't Immanentize the Eschaton.)
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To: libbylu

He really is.. that’s a factual statement, not a subjective one. Nobody would say Romney is a better general election candidate. Democrats don’t want to face McCain. Romney is alot easier to beat.


23 posted on 01/26/2008 6:22:43 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Delacon
He will only get away with it if the MSM who have invested so heavily in his success cover for him.

McCain and his advisers aren't stupid, they know full well the media will cover for them no matter what. That's why it's going to be all the more gratifying to see should he lose Florida given how relentless his shills have been trying to shove him down our throats.

24 posted on 01/26/2008 6:23:05 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Delacon

What did Romney “see” in terms of the surge in Iraq? That’s the problem. Romney doesn’t have firm convictions.. they are all election year pandering.. and he wants to win, and doesn’t really care what he believes.. that’s why he was able to so easily change on abortion. It doesn’t matter to him the substance of an issue.


25 posted on 01/26/2008 6:25:48 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Count of Monte Logan
As a Mormon , he just strikes me as a calculating type person on almost every statement he does .

Is this how all Mormon's strike you ? Maybe they should kick you instead .

26 posted on 01/26/2008 6:26:07 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: Terpfen

Mitt is hated by the MSM and the other candidates because he is intelligent, handsome, and rich...and he earned it all. He did not use the resources of the federal govt. or become part of the Washington establishment to do it either.
And, he is highly successful in a competitive world. No other candidate has those credentials.


27 posted on 01/26/2008 6:26:33 PM PST by scoastie
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To: Count of Monte Logan

” Nobody would say Romney is a better general election candidate. Democrats don’t want to face McCain. Romney is alot easier to beat.”

Then why is the MSM giving this stupid story legs? Romney scares the liberal media.


28 posted on 01/26/2008 6:28:01 PM PST by Delacon (Don't Immanentize the Eschaton.)
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To: kbennkc

I’m a Mormon.. that’s what I meant sorry. I’m saying as a Mormon myself, that’s why I struggle to support Mitt. He’s just not genuine. His beliefs are election year choices.


29 posted on 01/26/2008 6:28:09 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Delacon; Spiff; Reaganesque; elizabetty; bethtopaz; restornu; lonevoice; redgirlinabluestate; ...
>snip<

But McCain's straight talk express swerved into the mud on this one, and the fact that he chose to do so suggests some desperation. He will only get away with it if the MSM who have invested so heavily in his success cover for him.

>snip<

30 posted on 01/26/2008 6:28:44 PM PST by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: scoastie

the MSM wants Mitt to win.. they know he is easy to beat.

Otherwise, I would hold my nose and support him instead of McCain.


31 posted on 01/26/2008 6:28:56 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Terpfen
Well, when you make blatantly false claims such as President Reagan being adamantly pro-abort, what do you expect?
32 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:13 PM PST by jdm (A Hunter Thompson ticket would be suicide.)
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To: Count of Monte Logan

Boston, MA – Governor Mitt Romney, in direct consideration of the proposed increase in troop deployments in Iraq, issued the following statement today putting an emphasis on the need for clear and measurable strategic objectives.

“I agree with the President: Our strategy in Iraq must change. Our military mission, for the first time, must include securing the civilian population from violence and terror. It is impossible to defeat the insurgency without first providing security for the Iraqi people. Civilian security is the precondition for any political and economic reconstruction.

“In consultation with Generals, military experts and troops who have served on the ground in Iraq, I believe securing Iraqi civilians requires additional troops. I support adding five brigades in Baghdad and two regiments in Al-Anbar province. Success will require rapid deployment.

“This effort should be combined with clear objectives and milestones for U.S. and Iraqi leaders.

“The road ahead will be difficult but success is still possible in Iraq. I believe it is in America’s national security interest to achieve it.”


33 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:33 PM PST by Delacon (Don't Immanentize the Eschaton.)
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To: Count of Monte Logan

Romney is easiest candidate for Hillary. The media would tar and feather him over his flip flopping.

Romney has had some success in the primaries because of shear money compared to the other candidates (it buys election workers, media, etc.). That wouldn’t happen in a general election (the money would be about even ... if you count the special interest groups from last election ... the Democrats had an advantage in that department in 2004). Fortunately, Kerry was a weak candidate (painting as a flip flopper ... and from MA ... sound familiar?)


34 posted on 01/26/2008 6:31:05 PM PST by bluebeak
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To: bluebeak

“Romney is easiest candidate for Hillary”

Exactly, but these Pro-MITT guys on here are just living in a dream world. They “see” Mitt marching down Penn Ave, the same way Mitt saw MLK.


35 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:51 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Count of Monte Logan

I am sure Mitt’s strong stances really intimidate Putin and the PRC.


36 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:59 PM PST by John Robie
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To: Count of Monte Logan

Neither Clinton, nor Obama is good in economy. McCain is not good either. Romney is much better in this case.


37 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:23 PM PST by RedRepublic
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To: Delacon

Yes..I am sure it was exactly what Mitt believes... it’s just hard to take him serious on any position, Iraq or otherwise.


38 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:49 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: Count of Monte Logan
the MSM wants Mitt to win.. they know he is easy to beat.

LOL, cognitive dissonance run amuck on FR.

McCain is the choice of the MSM. He has been and will be until he wins the nomiantion. Then they will gut him.

I happen to think McCain can beat Hillary or Obama but he'll do it without my vote. There's isn;t a section of the Constitution that Big John hasn't shat upon.

39 posted on 01/26/2008 6:34:31 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: RedRepublic

I agree. But the economy is also destroyed easily having another 9/11 agreed? That’s a 1 trillion dollar hit to our economy.

John McCain is the best in this area.. the small things Mitt can do for the ecnomony on the margins doesn’t put him much higher than McCain. A flat or fair tax by any candidate is probably the main thing we might pursue as a nation.


40 posted on 01/26/2008 6:36:21 PM PST by Count of Monte Logan
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To: ASA Vet

impressive targeting. my beach front properity will be good in 10 years.


41 posted on 01/26/2008 6:36:56 PM PST by edcoil
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To: ASA Vet

actually good shipping lanes as well.


42 posted on 01/26/2008 6:37:42 PM PST by edcoil
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To: jwalsh07

Google Romney and Iraq. All you get is the MSM airing the McCain attack with almost no analysis. Yep, they like McCain until after the primaries.


43 posted on 01/26/2008 6:39:11 PM PST by Delacon (Don't Immanentize the Eschaton.)
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To: Count of Monte Logan

I am sure that you must be a liberal republican. There is no way I will ever vote for mccain. If he is the nominee and it looks close I WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA OR HILARY.


44 posted on 01/26/2008 6:39:32 PM PST by libbylu (Why vote for a democrat with an R next to his name? I'm a MITTen.)
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To: Delacon

McCain’s comments are a desperation ploy. He’s just an old bitter man seeing his chances of becoming President going down the drain. As a conservative, I would never vote for him. I’d rather be front stabbed by Hillary than back stabbed by McCain.

Go Mitt!


45 posted on 01/26/2008 6:46:11 PM PST by dobermangang
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To: Count of Monte Logan
He is a weaker candidate than John McCain.. that’s true of all the other candidates.

No, it is not. McCain will lose the general election if he is the nominee. His base of support is liberal Republicans and Democrats. Well, in the general election, the Democrats are going to--gasp--vote for the Democrat, and the conservatives won't for him. He'll have a small group of country club Republicans and nothing else. He won't even have the amnesty crowd, because they'll vote Democrat too.

And it’s true that Romney is a drive-by conservative.

No, it is not. By this definition, Reagan was a drive-by conservative. People are allowed to change their views. I can understand being skeptical about the timeline of his changes on a couple of issues, but it's wrong to say Romney is not a conservative.
46 posted on 01/26/2008 6:47:02 PM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: lonevoice

Dirty pool by McCain. He is lower than dirt as a candidate.


47 posted on 01/26/2008 6:47:07 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
I agree. What Mitt said is exactly what the administration is doing. You have to set goals and milestones. It is called leadership.

What these anti-Mitt posters are doing is very sophomoric. McQueeg lied in the last debates and is lying now.

48 posted on 01/26/2008 6:53:32 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Count of Monte Logan

Romney is easiest candidate for Hillary”

Exactly, but these Pro-MITT guys on here are just living in a dream world. They “see” Mitt marching down Penn Ave, the same way Mitt saw MLK.
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Really??? With the economic problems facing the country, along with the illegal immigrant problems, I really have a hard time thinking that McBlame will be able to hold his own on these topics. On the economy, McBlame is clueless, and he is just dead wrong on illegals. He won’t win with, “I’m going to consult with Jack Kemp and Phil Graham and come up with answers for the economy”. Come on guys, if the best John McCain can come up with is that he is a war hero its back to the drawing board. Mitt has his own problems, but the guy can debate with her thighness on issues she has no clue about.


49 posted on 01/26/2008 6:53:38 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: libbylu

Smells like fear.


50 posted on 01/26/2008 6:53:43 PM PST by Huddled Masses ("There you go again...")
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