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Smith & Wesson Receives Order from Colorado State Patrol
CNN Money.com ^ | 1/28/08 | n/a

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:01:28 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation , parent company of Smith & Wesson Corp., the legendary 156-year old company in the global business of safety, security, protection and sport, announced today that it has received an order from the Colorado State Patrol for 850 of the company's Military & Police (M&P) Series of advanced-design polymer pistols. The Smith & Wesson M&P40, chambered in .40 S&W, will be issued to each officer of the Colorado State Patrol to replace early-model Smith & Wesson pistols that have served as the primary duty firearms for the department.

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To: RKV
If you look closely you’ll see the chambers are empty and open . I’ve gotten this comment before.

It would not happen on my range !


101 posted on 01/29/2008 2:00:58 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

Thank goodness we’re not at your range, huh?


102 posted on 01/29/2008 2:01:34 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: AFreeBird
How old is you HP?

I got it in the early 1990s ... it's the blued version with the adjustable "target" sights.

It faithfully has eaten every brass or nickel plated cartridge I have ever attempted to feed it, ranging from Chicom ball to various hollowpoints. It even does OK with Blazer (aluminum case). It just does not like those Wolf cases ... they stick in the magazine.

103 posted on 01/29/2008 2:02:34 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: RKV
Thank goodness we’re not at your range, huh?

Good Luck !

104 posted on 01/29/2008 2:05:25 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

I guess people never go down range to change targets at your range, either.


105 posted on 01/29/2008 2:11:36 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
I guess people never go down range to change targets at your range, either.

They do not stand near their guns !

All guns are benched and "Show Clear"
then everyone stands behind the yellow line
before anyone goes down range.

how do you run your range?


106 posted on 01/29/2008 2:26:24 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt
how do you run your range?

Usually we line up a bunch of stuff like cans, pumpkins, watermelons, pallets with targets stapled to them, etc. then we pace off about 20 paces (where the 4 wheelers are parked) pull out our Glocks, fire one round, and then all cuss like sailors trying to clear the stovepipes, put the Glocks away, and spray the crap with our XD's.

How ya doin' Xenia?

107 posted on 01/29/2008 2:33:03 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Chris DeWeese
all cuss like sailors trying to clear the stovepipes, put the Glocks away,

Long time no hear Chris!

My only comment on those who stovepipe a Glock is they have limp wrists.


108 posted on 01/29/2008 2:37:19 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt
My only comment on those who stovepipe a Glock is they have limp wrists.

Then there are quite a few limp-wristed gun afficionados here in NW Missouri!

109 posted on 01/29/2008 2:45:44 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Chris DeWeese
XS>My only comment on those who stovepipe a Glock is they have limp wrists.

Then there are quite a few limp-wristed gun afficionados here in NW Missouri!

One hand or two grip ?

110 posted on 01/29/2008 2:52:21 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Wolf doesn’t have a lacquer coating any more. Haven’t in several years actually.


111 posted on 01/29/2008 2:57:42 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Chris DeWeese

Yep, that is where they all must have gone to, cuz that is sure a new one to me.


112 posted on 01/29/2008 3:04:44 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Beelzebubba
Of course, if those are expensive Cor-Bon rounds or the like, this gets expensive.

I have good luck with controlling the slide until the bullet contacts the feed ramp, and then releasing it to chamber. Not advisable under every circumstance, but it works if you pay attention and assuming the gun will reliably chamber and lock up from that position. It usually works fine because you've already done most of the work to push the round out of the mag.

I also inspect my ammo and rotate it to the range periodically.

113 posted on 01/29/2008 3:07:50 PM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Chris DeWeese
Then there are quite a few limp-wristed gun afficionados here in NW Missouri!

I have it on good authority that otherwise perfect Glock firearms will not function properly in NW Missouri, something to do with the magntetic fields and the water.

Oddly they work fine everywhere else.

114 posted on 01/29/2008 3:11:14 PM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: XeniaSt

Right, left, or two handed, that gun was horrible. It actually started to feed Hydrashok properly after I ran hundreds of rounds of ball through it (read - add $200 to price of gun). I managed to sell it on gunbroker finally. I never could hit the broad side of a barn with it, but others could. My Compact 45 ACP 4” XD worked flawlessly from the first shot on, just like my other 2 XD’s.


115 posted on 01/29/2008 3:28:03 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Double Tap
Yep, that is where they all must have gone to, cuz that is sure a new one to me.

The Glock 36 is notorious for feed problems. I have no clue how you missed that, but her, I didn't find out about that until after I bought it. Another nugget I wish I knew before buying that gun is that the device that looks like a slide release on the left side of the gun but actually just a slide catch and you are supposed to rack the gun with your off hand. Yeah, there's a handy tid-bit.

116 posted on 01/29/2008 3:33:36 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Chris DeWeese
Which model ?

G36 ?


117 posted on 01/29/2008 3:34:35 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

Yep, 36


118 posted on 01/29/2008 3:36:27 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: absolootezer0

Permission granted, BLOAT away.


119 posted on 01/29/2008 3:37:14 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Chris DeWeese
I've heard that the G36 was temperamental in feeding.

I've have never had a problem with G21, G22, G23, G27 or G30.


120 posted on 01/29/2008 3:39:47 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Chris DeWeese
Well, you should have said G36 instead of GLOCK in general. I'll grant you that the G36 isn't up to the rest of the herd in reliability.

And you are completely wrong on the slide stop lever. It can most certainly be used to release the slide to chamber a round. Read your owners manual, it might be enlightening.

121 posted on 01/29/2008 3:44:50 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Chris DeWeese
Actually, now that I go back and read your post, you are claiming that all the shooters are having stovepipes???

So you are all shooting G36's at the same time?

Or do you just exaggerate a bit?

122 posted on 01/29/2008 3:47:29 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: XeniaSt

We run it just fine thank you. FYI we were the only group at the range at that time so we were in full control at all times.


123 posted on 01/29/2008 4:07:29 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Interesting....

Thanks-

124 posted on 01/29/2008 4:10:51 PM PST by Osage Orange ("Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar" - Bob Kerry)
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To: absolootezer0
I recently bought a nearly 20 year old Rossi .38 Special revolver..from a LEO friend.

I am very happy with it...

125 posted on 01/29/2008 4:17:02 PM PST by Osage Orange ("Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar" - Bob Kerry)
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To: XeniaSt
I've have never had a problem with G21, G22, G23, G27 or G30.

I'll just have to take your word for it.

126 posted on 01/29/2008 4:33:02 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Double Tap
Or do you just exaggerate a bit?

I was exaggerating to rile up the Glock freaks. All too easy.

127 posted on 01/29/2008 4:37:37 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Double Tap
And you are completely wrong on the slide stop lever. It can most certainly be used to release the slide to chamber a round. Read your owners manual, it might be enlightening.

Look, FRiend, I got that info out of the manual. Watch this guy install a bunch of magazines in his locked open Glock. It's just ridiculous, but it looks so natural.

128 posted on 01/29/2008 4:41:53 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: xsrdx

Not on the closest revolver.


129 posted on 01/29/2008 4:47:54 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Chris DeWeese

No, you did not get that out of the manual. Page 23 is very clear on that.


130 posted on 01/29/2008 4:50:13 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: RKV

***Picture this. Cute UCSB coed (and if you’ve been there you know what I’m talking about;>) wearing her XD baseball cap to class. Heh.***

Nice


131 posted on 01/29/2008 4:52:22 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Chris DeWeese

I like exposing internet Mall Ninjas. All too easy.


132 posted on 01/29/2008 4:53:18 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: RKV

Lucky working with all those girls.


133 posted on 01/29/2008 4:55:28 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Resolute Conservative

When you are confronting a thug, price is the last thing I want to worry about............ Did I mention, that I have been a Snap-on Dealer for 33 years!


134 posted on 01/29/2008 4:59:46 PM PST by sig229 (If you see a fork in the road, take it.)
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To: Double Tap
No, you did not get that out of the manual. Page 23 is very clear on that.

Could you post the quote? I sold the gun and the manual went with it. The video tells the story pretty well though. I'm also pretty sure there is an aftermarket lever that makes it longer since it wasn't designed to be a release.

135 posted on 01/29/2008 5:06:40 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Chris DeWeese
The glock 36 is a single stack magazine.

From what I have heard it is the only one with feeding problems.


136 posted on 01/29/2008 5:11:06 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Chris DeWeese
Yep.

"4. After the last round has been fired, the slide remains open.

Remove the empty magazine from the weapon by pushing the magazine catch (19). Insert a new magazine and then either push the slide stop lever (27) downward (see photo 2), or pull the slide slightly backward and allow it to spring forward. The weapon is now again ready to fire."

137 posted on 01/29/2008 5:23:40 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap

OK, now we know it is a “slide stop lever”. Is there any other info there about recommended use?


138 posted on 01/29/2008 5:25:58 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Double Tap
Why is the stock slide release so difficult to operate? Because the slide release was not designed to be a 'release', but as it is correctly named: a 'slide stop lever'. The stock slide stop lever is designed to only lock back the slide, not release it. This is because the original design of the Glock pistol was to be used as a combat pistol and use the overhand technique to release the slide and charge the pistol. The extended slide stop lever is designed to be a slide release and enables the shooter to use their thumb to release the slide.
139 posted on 01/29/2008 5:38:39 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Chris DeWeese

Yeah, I posted it. Push it down to let the slide go forward. That is according the GLOCK though, so you probably should not listen to them.


140 posted on 01/29/2008 5:44:14 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap; XeniaSt

Feel like helping out here? Wanna set me or DT straight?


141 posted on 01/29/2008 5:50:25 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Double Tap

OK, I have some of the offending ammunition at hand, now.

It’s in a black box, with a picture of a wolf on it. Labeled “Wolf Performance Ammunition”, 15gr FMJ.

The cases are metallic grey in appearance, smooth but do not feel “slick” the way brass or nickel-plated cases do (to me). If there’s any lacquer, it’s very thin. Seems to be some sort of coating, though.

I purchased it within the last two years.


142 posted on 01/29/2008 6:16:44 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: wastedyears

They are really nice young ladies. And in many cases they learn to shoot well quickly. They have less ego and do it like you tell them to. Of course, the general rule is that these college kids are sharp. I mean very. They pick it up quick and we make sure to give them a solid grasp of the fundamentals. Natural point of aim, BRASS all that stuff. This just isn’t play time at the range. We are careful to have plenty of members up to give them one on one attention in the early stages to stay safe. It also turns out that an 18 year olds eyesight beats the bejezus out of that of us older guys. Oh well.


143 posted on 01/29/2008 7:11:26 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yep, sounds like the newer polymer coated ammo.


144 posted on 01/29/2008 7:14:45 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: ArrogantBustard

Just to add, I’ve shot better than 10,000 rounds of the Wolf 230gr. Poly ammo through my 45’s and maybe half that of the 115gr. through my 9mm’s without issue.


145 posted on 01/29/2008 7:17:05 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: RKV

I have a friend whose nine year old son shoots a Spingfield XD 9mm in competition. And he doesn’t place last either!


146 posted on 01/29/2008 8:22:37 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: absolootezer0

147 posted on 01/29/2008 9:35:55 PM PST by xrp (RON PAUL! To HELL with neo-cons!)
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To: Centurion2000
I got the .40 and my wife got the 9mm.

Apropos of nothing in particular, why is everyone jumping all over 9mm Parabellum when an American chambering, .38 Super, was an IPSC fave for years, performs about the same as 9mm or a little better (closer to .40 S&W), and "should" be suitable for your wife and you both?

I'm no expert, I'm just asking. And yes, I understand Glock doesn't offer the .38 Super chambering.

There certainly seem to be a lot of offerings and re-configurations of the basic .38 lead ball, from .380/9mm "Kurz" to 9mm Largo and .357 Sig. Why all this historical fine-tuning of the same basic round?

148 posted on 01/30/2008 1:52:56 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: xsrdx
All the cartridges should show the same amount of bullet exposed above the case mouth, discard any short rounds.

Is this true for .380 also?

149 posted on 01/30/2008 2:15:39 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: RKV
Got a caption for your group photo (good-looking bunch).....

"Hey, homes, hijack this!"

150 posted on 01/30/2008 2:34:40 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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