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Smith & Wesson Receives Order from Colorado State Patrol
CNN Money.com ^ | 1/28/08 | n/a

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:01:28 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation , parent company of Smith & Wesson Corp., the legendary 156-year old company in the global business of safety, security, protection and sport, announced today that it has received an order from the Colorado State Patrol for 850 of the company's Military & Police (M&P) Series of advanced-design polymer pistols. The Smith & Wesson M&P40, chambered in .40 S&W, will be issued to each officer of the Colorado State Patrol to replace early-model Smith & Wesson pistols that have served as the primary duty firearms for the department.

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1 posted on 01/29/2008 9:01:31 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

It is a good gun.


2 posted on 01/29/2008 9:05:00 AM PST by jacksonstate
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To: kiriath_jearim

I have one of these, I love it!


3 posted on 01/29/2008 9:06:27 AM PST by Harry Pothead (One issue voter, who wil kill islamofacists?)
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To: kiriath_jearim

It’s a quality piece, a little pricey but still one I wouldn’t mind having on me if the brown stuff hit the fan.


4 posted on 01/29/2008 9:07:31 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: kiriath_jearim
As a steel revolver shooter (Ruger GP-100, S&W 66-3 2.5", and S&W 686 4"), I never thought I would like a "Tuperware" gun.

But I love my M&P 9, and now shoot IDPA and USPSA almost exclusively with it!

A nice benefit is that it cleans up in about 15 minutes, as opposed to an hour and a half.

5 posted on 01/29/2008 9:11:17 AM PST by DrNo
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To: kiriath_jearim

This is because the Glock 40’s are blowing up.


6 posted on 01/29/2008 9:12:04 AM PST by Pistolshot (Those with a lively sense of curiosity learn something new every day of their lives.)
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To: Pistolshot

I have 2 Glock .357’s that are the boss. I would have liked to get my service weapon when I left LEO work but Sig’s are a little pricey.


7 posted on 01/29/2008 9:14:38 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: jacksonstate

I agree. A good move by the CSP.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 9:18:10 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Resolute Conservative
Our State PD is going to the Smith also. Too many failures in the Glocks and the response from Glock is ammo, ammo, ammo. Even though the other 40's being used are not having any failures.

The 357 is a really good cartridge, but I feel more comfortable being able to find ammo for 9/45 if I am out in BFE.

9 posted on 01/29/2008 9:19:01 AM PST by Pistolshot (Those with a lively sense of curiosity learn something new every day of their lives.)
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To: Pistolshot

I remedy that by keeping at least 1000 rounds on hand as I shoot through them.


10 posted on 01/29/2008 9:21:18 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: kiriath_jearim; All

They are taking the lead with the tax rebate.
BAGWYR (Buy A Gun With Your Rebate)


11 posted on 01/29/2008 9:34:58 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Pistolshot
This is because the Glock 40’s are blowing up.

They were previously issuing Smith & Wessons and were probably comfortable with their relationship with the company.

The Glock Kb propaganda is a little yesterday, dontcha think?

12 posted on 01/29/2008 9:37:03 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: DrNo
How does it compare with a Springfield XD? The reason I ask is that I have an NRA grant to buy pistols for our collegiate marksmanship group. Glocks are out because we train women, and the grip is just too big for their small hands. I've shot the Springfield, but not the M&P (though I have examined one, and found it to be very pleasant). If it were me we'd buy Browning HiPowers, BUT, the $150-200 price difference isn't a good use of the Friends of the NRA's money (IMHO).


13 posted on 01/29/2008 9:38:18 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Pistolshot
Too many failures in the Glocks

Source?

14 posted on 01/29/2008 9:39:28 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx
When I bought a Glock 19 last year, dealer said not to shoot any ammo "named for an animal" through it ... he was referring to the Russian steel cases "Wolf", "Tiger", etc brands.

Dunno about the Glock, but Wolf 124gr (or maybe it's 115gr) 9mm does NOT cycle properly in my HiPower. In fact, it's the only thing said HiPower has refused to eat.

Dunno 'bout KB, though. Never had that happen, nor seen it happen, nor heard first hand of it happening.

15 posted on 01/29/2008 9:40:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: xsrdx
Nope, it's not 'so yesterday' when it's still happening and Glock refuses to acknowledge the problem.

You are right about Colorado having a good relationship with Smith, as Smith offers a lot of extras on most of their contracts.

16 posted on 01/29/2008 9:40:46 AM PST by Pistolshot (Those with a lively sense of curiosity learn something new every day of their lives.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

If they make an M&P10, I’ll consider it. I don’t like the .40 Short and Weak. Love my 10mm though...


17 posted on 01/29/2008 9:40:57 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: kiriath_jearim
All these posts and no gun porn picture. Tsk tsk tsk.


18 posted on 01/29/2008 9:42:03 AM PST by stevio ((NRA))
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To: xsrdx
Glocks breaking...

Glocks Break, Deputies Allowed To Carry Personal Guns: 2,000 Handguns Need Inspections - Oct 10, 2002
19 posted on 01/29/2008 9:42:32 AM PST by Arkancide (www.arkancide.com)
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To: RKV
The reason I ask is that I have an NRA grant to buy pistols for our collegiate marksmanship group.

Centerfires? Why not Ruger 22's, ammo is far less expensive?

M&P or XD in 9mm would both be great choices, I'd go with the best deal you can get on either one.

20 posted on 01/29/2008 9:43:11 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx

I know the NM State Police ditched the Glock in .357 Sig last year and went back to .45’s (either HK or S&W - not sure) due to reliability issues.


21 posted on 01/29/2008 9:43:38 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Resolute Conservative

i carry the 9mm P226 on duty and a smaller S&W 9mm tactical off-duty. love both of them but wouldnt carry the sig off duty and i wouldnt carry the smith on duty. they have their place.


22 posted on 01/29/2008 9:44:18 AM PST by thefactor
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To: Arkancide
Glocks breaking...

... six years ago. Isolated to a manufacturing defect.

Bzzt.

23 posted on 01/29/2008 9:45:50 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
The M&P is a fine pistol, and this is a bit of good news for Smith, whose business has been down lately.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

24 posted on 01/29/2008 9:48:11 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: stevio
I have this one. Good gun. Tad light in the front end.


25 posted on 01/29/2008 9:53:34 AM PST by djf (...and dying in your bed, many years from now, did you donate to FR?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I know the NM State Police ditched the Glock in .357 Sig last year and went back to .45’s (either HK or S&W - not sure) due to reliability issues.

Plenty of reasons not to like Glocks, but I can't imagine "unreliable" being anywhere near the top of the list.

I'd speculate there's more to the story, perhaps concerns over AD/ND.

OTOH, Glocks and female or small/petite framed shooters sometimes don't mix well, they are prone to FTF malfs if not gripped firmly.

26 posted on 01/29/2008 9:56:00 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I pumped the cheap steel cased wolf thru my Glock 19 to see what would happen. It worked fine. I have fed all kinds of ammo thru each of my Glocks, and they have eaten everything. Several thousand rounds, and not a single hiccup from any of them.

I shoot IDPA and many of the shooters use Glock 19 or 17s. No one that I talked with has ever experienced any problems. I’m sure the M&Ps are fine guns too.


27 posted on 01/29/2008 9:56:45 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus
No one that I talked with has ever experienced any problems.

I've certainly seen issues with Glocks - but they are typically related to ammo, magazines or technique, and can nearly always be corrected with some attention to mag springs, recoil springs, or ammo.

For the vast majority though, they are as you state - dead nuts reliable.

28 posted on 01/29/2008 10:01:04 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: kiriath_jearim
I've bought two of these.

the nice thing is the rebate deal now going through April 1st. Buy an M&P and get 2 extra mags and a 50 dollar rebate.

I got the .40 and my wife got the 9mm.

29 posted on 01/29/2008 10:02:09 AM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
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To: xsrdx

I don’t believe the reliability issue was in the function, especially with a necked down case. I think that many of the high volume shooters were causing mechanical issues with the metal inserts in the polymer frame. It’s, as you know, a fairly snappy round. The only other Glock I can think of chambered in something of similar mojo is the 10mm, and I don’t think those, as a rule, see as much shooting volume.

NMSP tends to hire fairly husky individuals given the lack of backup they can expect, there are several 1 officer posts that cover close to 1000 square miles. They also are the ones that get sent into little towns when the local cops either all quit or are overwhelmed. They tend to like bombproof guns. They carried S&W 4506’s for a long time, a boat anchor yes, but plenty robust.

Of course, my opinion is suspect ‘cause I’m a big .38 Super fan. :)


30 posted on 01/29/2008 10:05:04 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Centurion2000

How does the 40 compare to the 9 and the 10mm? I remember the 10 was quite powerful, it went through trees.


31 posted on 01/29/2008 10:06:43 AM PST by Loud Mime ("Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not")
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To: Cold Heart

I intend to do that.

I just don’t know what.


32 posted on 01/29/2008 10:07:24 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: kiriath_jearim

33 posted on 01/29/2008 10:09:25 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain -- if you like liberal RINO meat for lunch.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I think that many of the high volume shooters were causing mechanical issues with the metal inserts in the polymer frame.

I can see a high round count with .357SIG causing more maintenance issues than might be acceptable to a department, motivating a switch to a heavier gun.

34 posted on 01/29/2008 10:10:24 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

.38 super rocks. i’m still hoping sig decides to start making their 1911 with an .38super option.


35 posted on 01/29/2008 10:11:17 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: xsrdx

Yeah. When I pick up a Glock, I know it will go bang.

I will correct myself though to say that I have heard occassional complaints about failure to cycle, but that has never happened to me, even once.


36 posted on 01/29/2008 10:11:22 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: kiriath_jearim
S&W M&P?


37 posted on 01/29/2008 10:11:37 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: dashing doofus

biggest reliability issue with glocks is with “recycling” ammo, with chambering, unchambering, chambering, unchambering.. most autos don’t have a heavy crimp, so the bullet can seat itself deeper (eventually causing KB) or pull itself out (causing FTF).
also issues of reloads, if no done properly, they can also FTF.


38 posted on 01/29/2008 10:14:14 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: xsrdx
Here's a few....the first I am very familiar with and there have been a couple from our County PD that I have seen. Granted while some have been with remanufactured or reloaded ammo, the two I know of for sure in this state were with new factory loaded PMC ammo. It has changed the view of the State and County PD's to look at the Smith(NMSPD) or Sig(BCSD) as replacements.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792821/posts

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb2.html

http://greent.com/40Page/general/kb.htm

39 posted on 01/29/2008 10:16:32 AM PST by Pistolshot (Those with a lively sense of curiosity learn something new every day of their lives.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Dunno about the Glock, but Wolf 124gr (or maybe it's 115gr) 9mm does NOT cycle properly in my HiPower. In fact, it's the only thing said HiPower has refused to eat.

My wife purchased a 1000 rd box of Wolf in preparation for a self defense class in San Diego (2000). Her Sig 225 was full of tiny metal flakes after about 200 rds. It was jamming. I purchased some high quality 9mm brass and loaded up some 124 gr that perfectly cycled the Sig 225 for the remainder of her class. No problems with good quality ammo. We've been feeding the Wolf stuff to her Ruger PC9 rifle. It works fine there.

40 posted on 01/29/2008 10:16:51 AM PST by Myrddin
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The 225 is a great single stack 9.


41 posted on 01/29/2008 10:18:52 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: absolootezer0
so the bullet can seat itself deeper

Absolutely, bullet setback upon repeated chambering is a significant risk factor that is difficult to diagnose after the gun explodes.

Gotta keep an eye on that seating depth, critical for an LEO that loads and unloads daily.

42 posted on 01/29/2008 10:19:12 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Cold Heart

how about buying ammo and reloading supplies with your rebate?
i just realised that i’m REALLY low on .45 and i need different dies for it for my new turret press.


43 posted on 01/29/2008 10:20:53 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: RKV
...How does it compare with a Springfield XD?...

I have a friend who reviews firearms for some firearms publications. He has reviewed both the XD and M&P.

He prefers the XD's trigger. Both were good on the range. Both seemed capable of good durability.

44 posted on 01/29/2008 10:22:33 AM PST by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Pistolshot
It has changed the view of the State and County PD's to look at the Smith(NMSPD) or Sig(BCSD) as replacements.

Setback with .40 will destroy those guns also. .40SW is a high pressure round with little tolerance for setback, as compared to .45ACP or 9x19.

A steel gun may absorb the damage a little better, but it will still be rendered catastrophically inop.

45 posted on 01/29/2008 10:23:52 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: absolootezer0

Thanks for that. Key info that I was unaware of.

So, is it best to cycle the carry ammo?


46 posted on 01/29/2008 10:26:49 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Joe Brower
The M&P is a fine pistol, and this is a bit of good news for Smith, whose business has been down lately.

Yeah they deserve some rising fortunes after the debacle the former owners had in their "deal with the devil" during the Clinton regime. They've since had their own regime change and this old gun maker deserves a new start.

47 posted on 01/29/2008 10:30:54 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Great duty gun. But due to the size, I'm not sure I'd want to lug one around in ccw. OTOH, I lug around a Sig P226 and will in the future lug around an H&K P30 9mm, so maybe that argument is spurious.
48 posted on 01/29/2008 10:33:05 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: dashing doofus
So, is it best to cycle the carry ammo?

Inspect it frequently and rotate the first round, so you don't constantly bang the same cartridge against the ramp. All the cartridges should show the same amount of bullet exposed above the case mouth, discard any short rounds.

I also tend to leave my carry gun loaded all the time, but that's not an option for everybody.

49 posted on 01/29/2008 10:35:39 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: RKV

The XD is a great gun and a favorite of mine. I really like the feel of both the XD and the M&P. I would take the time and get familiar with these guns and the students as well and then buy. You might also consider the Ruger SR9. The Ruger is not a flat top and some like that better. You will get great service out of all the mentioned above. I have had good luck with my Glock 27 and also my Sigs.


50 posted on 01/29/2008 10:40:50 AM PST by jacksonstate
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