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NYP: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON FLIGHT 800?-- NATIONAL GEO AND THE LI MYSTERY
New York Post ^ | January 29, 2008 | Linda Stasi

Posted on 01/29/2008 12:45:23 PM PST by OESY

...Tonight's "The Final Report: Investigation of TWA Flight 800" on National Geographic Channel presents a brilliant, well-researched look into what the investigators found - and what they didn't find.

The show details the animosity that existed from day one between the NTSB and the FBI.

The NTSB is usually the final word in all air crashes. But because a number of eyewitnesses on the ground saw streaks flying towards the aircraft right before it exploded, and air traffic controllers reporting blips around the aircraft, the FBI came in and took over the investigation, calling it a possible crime.

There were immediately three prevailing theories. One was friendly fire. The US Navy runs weapons training exercises in a 300-mile-wide swath near the flight path.

The second held that it could have been terrorists with ground-to-air missiles.

The third was that there had been a bomb on board.

The producers interview most of the players in the investigation including eyewitnesses; Robert Francis, the former chairman of the NTSB who was not happy to have the FBI crawling over his investigation; James Kallstrom of the FBI, who knew that 747s just don't randomly blow up; Leon Panetta, then-White House Chief of Staff; as well as cops who dove for the wreckage, like Vincente Termine.

After this show, you may trust the government even less than you do now. Or you may think they are as honest as they possibly could be in simply admitting that they just don't know.

Whatever you conclude, you won't conclude that National Geographic didn't do a very thorough job. Great reporting.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 800; clinton; fbi; ntsb; twa800; twaflight800
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To: Young Werther

See my post 49


51 posted on 01/29/2008 1:27:18 PM PST by mitchbert (Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: Perdogg
Show me the science! - You choose a lonely path. Regarding all those witnesses, to the best of my knowledge, NOT ONE reported, on the same night of the incident, anything vaguely resembling "I just saw a missile take out an airliner". Certainly no news outlet that I watched that night said "witnesses tell ABCCBSNBC that a missile rose from the ocean..." etc. When the accident happened there were NO witnesses certain of a missile. Curiously, days later they became convinced.
52 posted on 01/29/2008 1:29:05 PM PST by bobsatwork
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To: READINABLUESTATE; OESY
it was covered up in the interest of national security

More likely it was covered up because it would hurt Clinton's mideast peace negotiations.

If the government admitted it was a terror missle, then Clinton would have had to retaliate, which would make it harder for him to broker peace between Israel and the Arabs.

Perfect explanation.

Probably the same reason that Egyptian pilot commited "suicide" by diving his airline plane into the ocean off New England around the same time, taking everybody onboard with him.

53 posted on 01/29/2008 1:29:36 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: nikos1121

If it was a terrorist attack why didn’t they take claim of it?
... Maybe they did, how would we know?


54 posted on 01/29/2008 1:34:19 PM PST by Safetgiver (By the way, that means defecating on the local convenience store.)
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To: OESY
Given the Clinton’s proclivity for corruption it is reasonable to assume the cover up of an attack. There are too many eye witness accounts that contradict the exploding center fuel tank theory.Ask Sandy Burglar.
55 posted on 01/29/2008 1:37:43 PM PST by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: OESY

National Geographic has turned into a left wing agitprop magazine, just like most of the rest of them. Permit me to doubt that they will come up with anything resembling the truth.

Not only did many witnesses see missiles approach the plane, several of those witnesses were military pilots who had fought in vietnam.

And one of those pilot witnesses further testified that he had seen plenty of ordnance explosions and fuel explosions, and that what he saw that day was an ordnance explosion, because it was brilliant white, not yellow-orange.

Clinton covered up a terrorist attack because he didn’t want to deal with the terrorists.


56 posted on 01/29/2008 1:38:27 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: YankeeGirl
"Maybe I’m dense, but I just don’t get why anyone would cover up an attack. What would be the point of that?"

To avoid panic in the general public. Such panic would mean the virtural end to commercial air transportation, a vital national interest.

"If it were an attack wouldn’t there be a strong probability that the perps would do it again, seeing how easy it was and successful they were at carrying it out and avoiding capture?"

Precisely. Very few American travelers would take the risk in the immediate aftermath.

57 posted on 01/29/2008 1:40:13 PM PST by Designer
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Either that or one fired from a boat...
but yes, covered up in the interest of national security, or in the interest of keeping the economy good and the public dumb and happy under the Clintons.
I DO believe that is what happened.
Couldn’t have the airlines suffering and the economy taking a dive under Clinton’s watch, doncha know.


58 posted on 01/29/2008 1:40:22 PM PST by a real Sheila (Have you hugged your "furry best friend" today?)
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To: Perdogg
http://www.flight800.org/res1.html

After noticing a red residue on several (rows 17-19) passenger seats within the rows in which the explosives PETN and RDX were detected (rows 15-25), lead TWA Investigator and Head Pilot Terrel Stacey brought the residue to the attention of FBI investigators. Weeks later, the FBI refused to share its laboratory results on the residue, citing evidence in a criminal investigation, prompting Stacey to remove samples of this residue, giving them to James Sanders (author/journalist) who in turn had the residue tested at West Coast Analytical Services (WCAS) in Sante Fe Springs, CA. The results of this test showed high concentrations of elements used in missile fuel and pyrotechnics. The publication of these results in the Press Enterprise newspaper of Riverside, California received national press coverage, prompting the FBI to make a series of public statements concerning the residue and their dissatisfaction with Stacey's and Sanders' actions.
59 posted on 01/29/2008 1:41:08 PM PST by texas_mrs
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To: Mr. K

I saw that video clip as well. It was taken during some kind of get together on an outside deck. As soon as I saw it I told my wife it liiked almost exactly like the patriot missiles I had seen in Saudi Arabia during the first gulf war.

I have searched and searched and have NEVER seen that video again since then.

I’ve been convinced since that moment it was a missile. I KNOW what I saw and I KNOW there has to be a coverup for that video to be gone now.


60 posted on 01/29/2008 1:42:12 PM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: null and void

The final proof that it was a short circuit in the center fuel tank is that they NTSB grounded all 747’s to inspect the wiring...


Since the center tank was empty, the fuel pump switches were still off when the flight engineer’s panel was raised from the water.

Pray tell me how a short circuit happens when the switch is off?


61 posted on 01/29/2008 1:43:36 PM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: OESY
The third was that there had been a bomb on board.

If it was, they could have brought that plane down with a firecracker placed in an empty center fuel tank.

Has the passenger manifest ever been released?

I'll wager there was someone on that plane who the Clintons wanted dead.

62 posted on 01/29/2008 1:43:37 PM PST by Designer
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I know two former tanker pilots who say the center tank theory is a load.


63 posted on 01/29/2008 1:46:13 PM PST by a real Sheila (Have you hugged your "furry best friend" today?)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Sorry, but the plane was too high for a shoulder fired missle.


64 posted on 01/29/2008 1:46:37 PM PST by mfish13
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To: DBrow

Also, until I saw a recent documentary about the first WTC attack, I had NO idea just how bad it was!
The media downplayed it heavily as well!


65 posted on 01/29/2008 1:48:12 PM PST by a real Sheila (Have you hugged your "furry best friend" today?)
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To: OESY

Thanks for posting this!


66 posted on 01/29/2008 1:52:18 PM PST by matthew fuller (John Bolton/ Newt Gingrich 2008)
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To: Young Werther

IF it was a center fuel tank and “nothing to see here,” it is VERY suspicious that the autopsies are classified.
That alone raises my eyebrows!


67 posted on 01/29/2008 1:52:51 PM PST by a real Sheila (Have you hugged your "furry best friend" today?)
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To: mfish13

My uncle, now retired, was a senior mechanic for TWA at the time. He was off that night. He says the center fuel tank theory is baloney.


68 posted on 01/29/2008 1:53:58 PM PST by surrey
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To: HardStarboard

I agree. When I see James Kahlstrom trotted out for his opinion my blood boils. I don’t think you expressed that much animosity for the guy, but my gutt says he’s as dirty as the day is long. That’s must my opinion, but I haven’t been able to shake it for a long time.


69 posted on 01/29/2008 1:54:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: nikos1121
If it was a terrorist attack why didn’t they take claim of it?

AQ did not claim 9/11 for years (the Arabs blamed it on the Jews).

It used to be a signature of AQ not to claim their attacks.

70 posted on 01/29/2008 1:54:46 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: MrLee

Anyone watching CNN that night would have heard a call from a ret. Air Force Colonel who had just landed at Teterboro and said ..live...that he saw a missile hit the jet from his own airborne plane.. That call, to the best of my knowledge, was never repeated in later coverage. I heard it and remember his voice on the line.


71 posted on 01/29/2008 2:02:51 PM PST by masadaman
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To: HardStarboard

I read it at the time. There was some speculation on this, and it stuck in my mind. I was living in New York City then, although I happened to be in England when the attack occurred. I returned a couple of days later and there were all sorts of odd reports in the NYC papers (such as the finding of a what seemed to be a launching tripod in the dunes at Jones Beach, etc.) How much was true, I don’t know; but the story certainly seemed to be going one way, and then suddenly it screeched to a halt and changed directions.


72 posted on 01/29/2008 2:03:04 PM PST by livius
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To: OESY

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ET/popup/200801292000.html


73 posted on 01/29/2008 2:03:11 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Mr. K

I saw it too. I saw stills somewhere, perhaps in the NY press, and in fact, I’m pretty sure I saw the video on some channel in England (where I was on the date of the event) about a day later. It was somebody taking a photo from their dock or porch where there was a party going on.

I think they later explained it by saying that somebody must have been launching fireworks in the background and it was just a coincidence that the plane (which would have been further in the distance, although it was night so you couldn;t tell) blew up at that moment.


74 posted on 01/29/2008 2:07:34 PM PST by livius
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To: mfish13

It wasn’t too high, it was just too lucky a shot. It was at a low enough altitude, flying straight ahead, it would take a well placed lucky shot, though, I agree. Bordering on unbelief that a MANPAD did it.


75 posted on 01/29/2008 2:09:11 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Mr. K

Remember when the building was blown up in Oklahoma. During the coverage they made people run from rescues because of secondary explosive devices being suspected. Then it was just the truck out front and no one mentioned the other devices or even the suspicion they were there and I never saw those exact news shows again.


76 posted on 01/29/2008 2:12:54 PM PST by BabsC
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To: READINABLUESTATE
I think it was a shoulder fired missile, and it was covered up in the interest of national security.

I think it was a missle and it was covered up to protect the Clinton Presidency.

77 posted on 01/29/2008 2:16:08 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DBrow

I read the Third Terrorist and it completely convinced me there was an Iraqi angle to the bombing of the Murrah Building in OK City. But I still do not get why that is never spoken about. I would have thought the Bush Admin would play it up as another reason to go after Saddam. I don’t understand keeping things from the American people forever when it’s OUR country.


78 posted on 01/29/2008 2:19:02 PM PST by Yaelle (almost a mitten)
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To: montag813; DoughtyOne; Iron Munro
Johnston said Abdul Hakim Murrad, who was in federal custody in New York City awaiting trial for plotting to blow up airliners, told jailers – "and later the FBI" – that the OKC bombing "had been orchestrated by his former roommate in the Philippines, Ramzi Youssef," the "most wanted terrorist in the world until his capture in Pakistan in February 1995." Iraq link to OKC, Sept. 11 attacks? Attorney will discuss 'mountain' of evidence against Baghdad

Let’s recall that we initially had strong suspicions that Oklahoma City was a foreign terrorist attack, the crash of TWA 800 in 1996 was caused by terrorism and strong suspicions in other cases, such as Pan Am 103, ultimately proved incorrect. TESTIMONY OF SAMUEL L. BERGER BEFORE THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES

OKC was just the white guys--pay no attention to the Iraqi connection, the work of Jayna Davies, the Nichols-Yousef connection, Carl Andreas Strassmeir, Dennis the FBI informant.

The CIA produced a cartoon showing the fuselage and nose separated and had an ascending dogfight while the airshow crowd gasped. Since Carter axed 820 agents Halloween 1977 and Church made the agency eschew those of low character it's become the realm of the Valerie Plames and their administration-destroying machinations.

If Obama keeps it up we'll see how his plane went down due to a malfunction of the in-flight film.

Note Gerald Posner was used by Mike Wallace in his 60 Minutes hatchet job on Ruddy for The Strange Death of Vincent Foster and later popped up to gloat over "natural causes" cited in convenient death of Carlos Ghigliotti FLIR analyst alleging 200 shots into Waco by feds.

Just think--we're on the eve of eight more years of this kabuki. To grease the skids, Dems oppose FISA and McCain bleats about any interrogation beyond a tea party.

79 posted on 01/29/2008 2:19:44 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

I hear you Phil. Your thinking along the same lines as I am. Good post.

That OKC tie in to the Philipines is crucial IMO.


80 posted on 01/29/2008 2:23:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: livius
In addition, there was normally an El-Al flight to Israel that left at that time, but it had been delayed that evening and the TWA flight had taken its place in the line.

Any terrorist dumb enough to base all their plans on their target leaving JFK on time had obviously never flown into or out of New York.

81 posted on 01/29/2008 2:28:26 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Yaelle
It may be related- the USA kept the Japanese fire balloon attacks Top Secret from the American people, even for a while after the war.

I did not learn of the extent of the attacks and the concern the “authorities” had for them until recently (and on FR!).

Third Terrorist paints a pretty good picture, but apparently not one that a Grand Jury could issue an indictment on.

And lacking a clear action, what benefit does the government gain by telling everyone that there was another dimension to the attack, but they can’t do anything about it?

82 posted on 01/29/2008 2:29:25 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Perdogg
"Show me the science! "

The radar image was shown in a previous tv account similar to this one.

83 posted on 01/29/2008 2:30:47 PM PST by matthew fuller (John Bolton/ Newt Gingrich 2008)
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To: YankeeGirl

Presidential election looming may have played a part.


84 posted on 01/29/2008 2:38:56 PM PST by BradtotheBone
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To: texas_mrs
Years ago I heard Jim Quinn mention on his radio show that there were several passengers decapitated as if a dummy missile went through the plane.
85 posted on 01/29/2008 2:41:30 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Thanks Vets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: YankeeGirl
just don’t get why anyone would cover up an attack

They were planning more.

And the gubermint was quiet in order to protect the airlines and the economy.

86 posted on 01/29/2008 2:44:00 PM PST by alrea
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To: bobsatwork
When the accident happened there were NO witnesses certain of a missile.

The local Boston station I was watching that evening was patched through live to a NYC station. I distinctly remember at least a half dozen testimonials from people on or near the beach describing a missile flying from the horizon to the aircraft prior to the break up. One in particular was a former military officer who said that he was certain he saw a missile. Revisionists can deny it all they want, but I remember watching the aftermath live and hearing the reports at that time of a missile.

87 posted on 01/29/2008 2:48:48 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: YankeeGirl
"what would the Clinton administration, or any administration for that matter, have to gain by hiding it? "

Re-election, maybe?

88 posted on 01/29/2008 2:49:53 PM PST by matthew fuller (John Bolton/ Newt Gingrich 2008)
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To: 4yearlurker
Years ago I heard Jim Quinn mention on his radio show that there were several passengers decapitated as if a dummy missile went through the plane.

I wasn't aware that there were any survivors from the plane who could give such eyewitness accounts.

89 posted on 01/29/2008 2:51:24 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Who said anything about survivors slick????


90 posted on 01/29/2008 2:53:30 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Thanks Vets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: 4yearlurker
Who said anything about survivors slick????

How else would they know they were decapitated by a missile?

91 posted on 01/29/2008 2:55:34 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: aviator; null and void
Aviator, you clearly missed null and void's cleaver sarcasm. The NTSB never grounded the 747’s fleet to inspect the wiring.
92 posted on 01/29/2008 2:56:03 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: DoughtyOne

Great post, DO. We don’t know what happened definitively but the way the investigation was handled smelled to high heaven. And that counts for quite a bit. Didn’t know that bit about the CIA guy standing behind Kahlstrom, though.


93 posted on 01/29/2008 2:56:34 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: FourtySeven

O’Hara had several children and at least one was, by my memory, was on the flight and others were home with the grandmother I believe.


94 posted on 01/29/2008 2:57:46 PM PST by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: kjo

-then what about the Oklahoma bombing?


95 posted on 01/29/2008 2:58:49 PM PST by tioga (Beware: conservative with back to the wall. Proceed with extreme caution.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus; bobsatwork

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57375

An interesting read on the fate of the possible video of the last moments of TWA 800.


96 posted on 01/29/2008 3:00:02 PM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Because of the seats they were sitting in and I said “as if” and you can ask Jim Quinn for more details. Oh and thanks for being a Free Republic smart ass.


97 posted on 01/29/2008 3:00:19 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Thanks Vets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Perdogg

Two childhood friends saw the same thing from over a mile apart. They both described a SAM trail rising then an explosion. They are both sane, mature and reasonable. I think I’ll take their word for it.


98 posted on 01/29/2008 3:01:08 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: DBrow
And lacking a clear action, what benefit does the government gain by telling everyone that there was another dimension to the attack, but they can’t do anything about it?

Transparency in governing?? I know I'd like it.

I am all for secrets that truly will forever pan out to have been in the nation's best interests to keep quiet, but otherwise, I believe in freedom of information.

99 posted on 01/29/2008 3:03:55 PM PST by Yaelle (almost a mitten)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Yeah, neither did I until I watched that final government release of it’s findings. They introduced everyone and this guy was introduced by name as a CIA employee. It had always looked to me like Kahlstrom and this guy were there to make sure the NTSB guy didn’t say anything wrong that they couldn’t shoot down immediately, and when Kahlstrom was making the comments, it looked like the CIA guy was there for the same pupose with him. It just looked strange.

That is my personal perception though. I’m sure others would say that it was just in my head, and that would be a fair statement. It certainly was.

You take care.


100 posted on 01/29/2008 3:04:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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