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Is John McCain Ineligible to Be President?
Newsmax ^ | Monday, July 16, 2007 4:26 PM | By: Lowell Ponte

Posted on 01/31/2008 9:55:48 AM PST by Perdogg

Pundits are now writing obituaries for Sen. John McCain's sinking campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.

I hereby join them with a fundamental question: Does the Arizona senator fulfill our Constitution's eligibility requirements to be president?

Like several other prominent American politicians, John McCain was not born in the United States.

Article II of the Constitution specifies that "no person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Because of this, California's Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria in 1947, is ineligible to be president. He moved to the United States in 1968 and became a U.S. citizen in 1983.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


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1 posted on 01/31/2008 9:55:49 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

If he was born on a U.S. military base (which I’m guessing he was?), then that is U.S. soil. The writer doesn’t make it clear, however, whether he was born on or off base.... which leads me to believe it was on base.


2 posted on 01/31/2008 9:57:50 AM PST by squidly
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To: Perdogg

He’s eligible. This has been settled.


3 posted on 01/31/2008 9:58:21 AM PST by xrp (RON PAUL! To HELL with neo-cons!)
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To: Perdogg

McCain can be fought on so many legitimate levels but calling him on being born outside the US is silly.

McCain was the son of a military man born on a US naval base. He is a US citizen.

I myself an an Air Force brat born in Spain on a military base. I am a US citizen from day one. To say otherwise is very dishonest.


4 posted on 01/31/2008 10:00:07 AM PST by Republican Red (The word "courage" is not in the liberal vocabulary)
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To: Perdogg
McCain was born on August 29, 1936 in Panama at the Coco Solo Air Base in the then American-controlled Panama Canal Zone.

According to Wikipedia.

5 posted on 01/31/2008 10:00:57 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Mind your own business.)
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To: squidly

Doesn’t matter. Children of military personnel stationed overseas are born citizens, whether they’re born on base or off.


6 posted on 01/31/2008 10:00:57 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Former FredHead, now a Mittbot.)
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To: Perdogg

Only if he was delivered by C section. Is that not how we should be interpreting ‘natural born citizen’?

By every other measure, he’s plenty eligible. Able is certainly an arguable point.


7 posted on 01/31/2008 10:01:21 AM PST by dmz
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To: Perdogg

Lowell Ponte is out of his mind.


8 posted on 01/31/2008 10:01:22 AM PST by eastsider
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To: Republican Red

Consider the source...Newsmax.


9 posted on 01/31/2008 10:01:34 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Perdogg

Interesting!


10 posted on 01/31/2008 10:01:39 AM PST by TheLion
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To: Perdogg

This is an example of why I stopped reading Newsmax.


11 posted on 01/31/2008 10:01:55 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Perdogg

why is this article resurfacing?


12 posted on 01/31/2008 10:02:06 AM PST by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: Republican Red
If every one would read the article, the author points out that his eligibility might be subject to judicial review.
13 posted on 01/31/2008 10:02:34 AM PST by Perdogg (Electing Another Carter to get Another Reagan is a Foolish and Dangerous Strategy)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Thats were my dad was stationed in WWII. Weird.
Was JM dad the base commander?


14 posted on 01/31/2008 10:03:09 AM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: Perdogg

Another thing that really bothers me about McCain. At the last debate, McCain would sit back, hands folded and with a big smerk on his face. I got the impression that he felt the debate was a waste of time....that he already won.


15 posted on 01/31/2008 10:03:20 AM PST by RC2
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To: squidly

It actually doesn’t matter if it was on base or not. We’ve long since established that the birth clause is to establish citizenship and not exclude the accidental birth to an American tourist or servicemember abroad. A state department declaration of citizenship at birth is legally the same as being born here.


16 posted on 01/31/2008 10:03:24 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Perdogg
I don’t think we, as conservatives, would be served by trying to make the argument that children of serving members of military who happened to be born outside the US on a US military base are not natural born US citizens.

There are too many other reasons this man shouldn’t be President, but this argument is a losing one.

17 posted on 01/31/2008 10:03:42 AM PST by Gator101 (Don't tase me, Bro!)
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To: Perdogg

News Max sucks. I ordered a Reagan hat from them 4 years ago and ended up with no hat and a subscription to thier C$(& magazine.


18 posted on 01/31/2008 10:03:45 AM PST by Greg F (Romney appointed homosexual activists as judges in Massachusetts.)
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To: nuconvert

I did a search, it wasn’t listed.

“And most of us agree that it would be unfair to deny presidential eligibility to patriotic citizens born to parents serving overseas in the U.S. military. Such people are likely to be among the most patriotic and worthy of Americans.

But the Constitutionally-mandated term “natural born citizen” remains subject to reinterpretation by future Supreme Courts. “


19 posted on 01/31/2008 10:04:14 AM PST by Perdogg (Electing Another Carter to get Another Reagan is a Foolish and Dangerous Strategy)
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To: Republican Red

I was born on an Army base in Germany. Both parents were from Michigan. When I turned 18 I had two options, join the military for US Citizenship or sign a form stating I was going to be an American. You have the option when born abroad to have duel-citizenship so I could have declared I was both American and German.


20 posted on 01/31/2008 10:04:33 AM PST by edcoil
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To: Perdogg

I want to beat the guy as much as anyone. But I want to beat him on the issues, because a majority of Republicans see him for what he is. Not on something like this.


21 posted on 01/31/2008 10:05:00 AM PST by marron
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To: Michael.SF.

Sometimes I wonder...which is the dumber “news” site: World Net Daily or Newsmax?

Then I decide it’s a tossup and get back to something more meaningful, like counting blades of grass. :)


22 posted on 01/31/2008 10:05:16 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Perdogg

Perdogg, this is seriously old news. I don’t see a problem with resurrecting old news if it’s to prove a new point in the present, but of course McCain is eligible, no matter how much we can’t stand him.


23 posted on 01/31/2008 10:05:28 AM PST by jdm (A Hunter Thompson ticket would be suicide.)
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To: Gator101

This was the point

“And most of us agree that it would be unfair to deny presidential eligibility to patriotic citizens born to parents serving overseas in the U.S. military. Such people are likely to be among the most patriotic and worthy of Americans.

But the Constitutionally-mandated term “natural born citizen” remains subject to reinterpretation by future Supreme Courts.”


24 posted on 01/31/2008 10:05:37 AM PST by Perdogg (Electing Another Carter to get Another Reagan is a Foolish and Dangerous Strategy)
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To: svcw

Don’t know about base commander but his daddy was a Rear Admiral.........that is why McCain graduated from the Naval Academy. It took him five years when everyone else graduated in four years. He also graduated at the bottom of his class.


25 posted on 01/31/2008 10:05:46 AM PST by RC2
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To: Perdogg

this same guy will prolly make the argument for why bill IS eligible to be VP.


26 posted on 01/31/2008 10:06:00 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: All

See #24.


27 posted on 01/31/2008 10:06:30 AM PST by Perdogg (Electing Another Carter to get Another Reagan is a Foolish and Dangerous Strategy)
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To: Perdogg

Pundits are now writing obituaries for Sen. John McCain’s sinking campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.


Which pundits? I wish.


28 posted on 01/31/2008 10:06:31 AM PST by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Perdogg

jeez saying something like this is complete desperation
i dont like mccain but this is just plain silly


29 posted on 01/31/2008 10:06:44 AM PST by DM1
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To: Perdogg

More horse crap. It’s been the law since 1790 that persons born of U.S. citizens are also “natural born” U.S. citizens. Also, the Canal Zone was U.S. territory at the time. I’m not a McCain supporter, but I won’t resort to this kind of nonsense to oppose him.


30 posted on 01/31/2008 10:07:02 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Perdogg
Pundits are now writing obituaries for Sen. John McCain's sinking campaign...

What planet is the author living on?

31 posted on 01/31/2008 10:07:05 AM PST by McGruff (I am against McCain more than I am for Romney.)
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To: Perdogg

Wow. What an idiot.


32 posted on 01/31/2008 10:07:17 AM PST by Egon ("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
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To: Perdogg

That explains a few things: he’s a Panamaniac.


33 posted on 01/31/2008 10:07:24 AM PST by tumblindice (Canklesaurus Regina)
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To: Perdogg

The author would have a better chance at proving McCain was only 33 years old.


34 posted on 01/31/2008 10:07:55 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: svcw

Just glancing over his bio, it looks like he might have been a bit young for a base command (born 1911) when his son was born. And it said he was a submarine commander during WW2.


35 posted on 01/31/2008 10:07:59 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Mind your own business.)
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To: Perdogg
Aren't people born to US citizens automatically US citizens even if born overseas? If so, someone born overseas to a US citizen is a "natural born citizen". Typical of Newsmax they ignore the part that also says that a president must also have been a resident of the US for at least 14 years as well as being a "natural born citizen".
36 posted on 01/31/2008 10:07:59 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Constitution Day

Then I decide it’s a tossup and get back to something more meaningful, like counting blades of grass


I painted my office yesterday. The paint is still drying if you want to come over :)


37 posted on 01/31/2008 10:08:07 AM PST by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Republican Red

Good point, and you would probably make a better President than McCain.


38 posted on 01/31/2008 10:08:07 AM PST by coramdeo
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To: Perdogg

We don’t need to go here. McCain provides numerous and completely apparent reasons to oppose him- desperate tactics are going to backfire.


39 posted on 01/31/2008 10:09:28 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: freedomlover

Not yet. I still have a few million blades to go! :)


40 posted on 01/31/2008 10:09:28 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Perdogg

Another senseless article from Newsmax.


41 posted on 01/31/2008 10:09:42 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: edcoil

I don’t think you could have had German citizenship just by being born there. They don’t play it that way. Still more into the racial business. There’s turkish families where the third generation is being born there, and still no citizenship.


42 posted on 01/31/2008 10:09:51 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Perdogg
I really don't like McCain, but this is tinfoil hat stuff. If both parents are U.S. citizens and the birth abroad is duly registered with the U.S. Consulate or Embassy in the country, then it is the same as a natural born U.S. Citizen.

This is exactly what we were told when we registered my Japan-born daughter in Tokyo-- something we had to do in order to get a passport, something we needed to get her a Japanese visa. She has a really cool looking State Department birth certificate to prove it.

43 posted on 01/31/2008 10:09:54 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: tnlibertarian; Perdogg
The author would have a better chance at proving McCain was only 33 years old.

Well Chelsea Clinton is having just her 7th birthday this year on February 29.

44 posted on 01/31/2008 10:10:24 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Perdogg

So who’s going to bring this lawsuit against McCain? Romney? Nope, his dad (who ran for president in 1968) was born in Mexico. Whoops!


45 posted on 01/31/2008 10:11:04 AM PST by mngran2
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To: freedomlover

The article is 8 months old.


46 posted on 01/31/2008 10:11:17 AM PST by Perdogg (Electing Another Carter to get Another Reagan is a Foolish and Dangerous Strategy)
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To: Vigilanteman

My daughter has the same thing, only she was born in Germany. I was never clear on whether she could be president though. Thanks for the post.


47 posted on 01/31/2008 10:11:32 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Thanks.

My dad told me some stories (not good on his part) with the base commander’s wife.

Oh well, it would be a great family get together addition to my dad’s escapades.

48 posted on 01/31/2008 10:11:42 AM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: babble-on

Just told you what I had to do. I went into the military so the issue became mute.


49 posted on 01/31/2008 10:12:46 AM PST by edcoil
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To: Greg F

News Max sucks. I ordered a Reagan hat from them 4 years ago and ended up with no hat and a subscription to thier C$(& magazine.


I agree - I stupidly got on Newsmax’s mailing list about ten years and I STILL get gobs and GOBS of junk mail even though I have tried a million times and ways to get off. Never seen the like of it. They give rabid conservatives a bad name.

See also Judicial Watch.


50 posted on 01/31/2008 10:13:37 AM PST by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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