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Divided views as US fence goes up
BBC News ^ | 1/31/08 | Duncan Kennedy

Posted on 01/31/2008 12:39:40 PM PST by mdittmar

Of all the issues in this year's US presidential election, immigration is the one that touches the rawest of Democratic and Republican nerves.

After last year's failure by President George W Bush to get his comprehensive immigration plan past Congress, it has become fertile and divisive ground for candidates in the race.

But there is one area of immigration policy that is proceeding, despite the political stalemate: the building of the border fence between the US and Mexico.

Hundreds of kilometres are under construction along the US's southern frontier.

Estimates for the cost of the project have ranged from $2bn to $10bn (£1bn to £5bn).

Military-tested

Flying by helicopter some 100m (330ft) above the fence, it can sometimes be hard to see.

In the section along Arizona's border with Mexico I went to examine, the barrier appears like a thin black line snaking along the desert floor below.

Once you fix your eyes on the line, it becomes clear this is one area where building is racing ahead.

Roughly a mile of fencing is being erected every month here.

Areas of once-untouched desert are now disappearing under a lengthening slice of man-made fencing.

After setting down, we were able to get up close to the men and machines making the new fence.

Coast to coast, from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, some 300 miles (500km) of barrier are completed, with another 700 miles (1100km) set to go up by the end of this year.

The fence itself is an impressive, sun-blocking, engineering feat.

Agent Jose Gonzalez of the Arizona Border Patrol tells me each 4-metre-high (13ft) panel can withstand a car impact at 45mph (70 km/h).

"It's been tested using the military's armoured vehicles," he says. "We think it will withstand pretty much any migrant car or truck."

In other places, where the terrain is more suited, electronic sensors, not walls, are being installed.

But whatever "asset" is being constructed, to use Agent Gonzalez's term, it all raises the same question of whether it will work.

"It won't stop everyone," is his honest answer.

"But we believe most migrants will be deterred".

Agent Gonzalez later drives us parallel to this gigantic metallic barrier. You can see through its grey bars. Just across the ravine inside Mexico we spot a man.

When he sees the fence and us, he changes his mind about crossing and runs off.

He is not the only one deciding he needs a plan B. In some places where the wall has been completed, and where extra border patrols are in place, illegal crossings are down by as much as 60% compared with a year ago.

The days when Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Salvadorians and others could step over flimsy strips of barbed wire to begin a new life in the US are now numbered.

'Just for the US'

The fence is part of President Bush's attempts to convince Congress he is tough on immigration.

Congress gave him the go ahead for his fence but not his policy on dealing with the estimated 11 million undocumented migrants already in the US.

That unfinished business has turned into a key issue in this year's presidential race.

In some states, it is the social topic of the 2008 campaign.

We later cross into Mexico to find the fence is just as controversial, but for very different reasons. Here, it has been likened to the Berlin wall.

"What do you think of it?" I ask Marco, a Mexican, deported from America and now trying to get back into a country where hourly wages are up to 10 times those in Mexico.

"It's unfair" is his simple reply.

Marco stands dwarfed by the new border fence in front of him, but not, it seems, by the task ahead.

"Some will slip through," he says, "and I hope to be one of them."

We then climb inside one of the orange pick-up trucks used by a migrant help group, Grupo Beta.

The group, set up by the Mexican government, takes us along the fence on the Mexican side. We go past migrants straining to look up at the immense structure before them.

Enrique Enriquez from Grupo Beta tries to be diplomatic when I ask him what he thinks of the wall.

"It's fair for them, it's fair for the United States," he says.

"But maybe it's unjust this side. It's for the protection of the United States. It's just for them."

Opinion polls in the US suggest this belated attempt to physically halt unchecked immigration is popular.

Many millions of figurative horses may have bolted, but this barn door is now being very firmly shut.

Less clear is what to do with those migrants who have already made it through illegally. The outcome of this year's election may help decide that.

For now, the US is a country that is putting in place a border, but not yet a policy.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigrantlist; wot
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1 posted on 01/31/2008 12:39:46 PM PST by mdittmar
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Roughly a mile of fencing is being erected every month here.

Who's building it? The Army Corps of Engineers????????........

2 posted on 01/31/2008 12:42:19 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: mdittmar

Let’s see....Egypt has a border wall, Saudi Arabia has a border wall....apparently the 7th century is one step ahead of Congress in some areas.


3 posted on 01/31/2008 12:43:12 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: mdittmar

>>what to do with those migrants who have already made it through illegally. The outcome of this year’s election may help decide that.<<

The three Democrats running (McCain included) will not only give free citizenship to illegals, they will give preferences in education and employment to them.


4 posted on 01/31/2008 12:43:43 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: mdittmar

I predict that someone will soon join this thread solely to complain...ignoring the progress being made.


5 posted on 01/31/2008 12:44:46 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mdittmar
Once you fix your eyes on the line, it becomes clear this is one area where building is racing ahead.

Roughly a mile of fencing is being erected every month here.


Is this the super duper part of the fence?
6 posted on 01/31/2008 12:44:49 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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"What do you think of it?" I ask Marco, a Mexican, deported from America and now trying to get back into a country where hourly wages are up to 10 times those in Mexico.

And he was deported because...

Marco, apply for %$#@ing Visa and enter legally if you want to work here.
7 posted on 01/31/2008 12:47:41 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: mdittmar
The fence is part of President Bush's attempts to convince Congress he is tough on immigration.

BS, this is not the three level fence promised and at a mile a month it will only take 58 years to build 2000 miles of Half==s fence.

8 posted on 01/31/2008 12:49:47 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: mdittmar

“What do you think of it?” I ask Marco, a Mexican, deported from America and now trying to get back into a country where hourly wages are up to 10 times those in Mexico.

“It’s unfair” is his simple reply.

I don’t give a crap is Marco thinks its unfair. I think it is unfair I get taxed to pay for his wife and daughters to spit out babies and to educate his kids.


9 posted on 01/31/2008 12:50:23 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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Less clear is what to do with those migrants illegal aliens who have already made it through illegally into the US.

There, fixed it.
10 posted on 01/31/2008 12:50:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: mdittmar

bump


11 posted on 01/31/2008 12:50:59 PM PST by Intimidator (It's not unilateral - just try saying you're a Progressive Democrat in your typical Evangelical chur)
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Divided views as US fence goes up

The only "divide" is between the citizens of this country and the clowns sitting in Washington!

12 posted on 01/31/2008 12:51:02 PM PST by Renkluaf
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I’m all for planting land mines to deter those that do ‘slip thru’


13 posted on 01/31/2008 12:51:36 PM PST by Intimidator (It's not unilateral - just try saying you're a Progressive Democrat in your typical Evangelical chur)
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That’s right, BBC. “Divided.” 85% of Americans want it while 15% don’t. Real “divided.”


14 posted on 01/31/2008 12:52:25 PM PST by pabianice
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"But maybe it's unjust this side. It's for the protection of the United States. It's just for them."

We're selfish for wanting to stop the invasion and have border security? It would be laughable, if it weren't for the fact that GWB, Mel Martinez and Juan McCain all share the opinion.

15 posted on 01/31/2008 12:52:25 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: Southack

You are correct: it is, indeed, progress.

Of course, the fact that we’ll need 60 years or so at the current rate of “progress” just to construct the original 700 miles might strike some as a bit, oh, slow and this might engender some cause for concern.


16 posted on 01/31/2008 12:53:20 PM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: mdittmar
In the section along Arizona's border with Mexico I went to examine, the barrier appears like a thin black line snaking along the desert floor below.

Snaking? The AZ-Mexico border is pretty straight except for a couple of bends.

Areas of once-untouched desert are now disappearing under a lengthening slice of man-made fencing.

The area has been "touched" by countless illegal crossers.

17 posted on 01/31/2008 12:53:36 PM PST by CPOSharky (Energy plan: Build refineries and nuke plants, drill for our oil, mine our coal.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
“What do you think of it?” I ask Marco, a Mexican. “It’s unfair” is his simple reply.

Hey, Marco. How do you feel about Mexico's border fence with Guatemala,hmm?

You know, the one where the border agents have shoot to kill orders?

18 posted on 01/31/2008 12:55:11 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Speaking with a Latino friend who btw votes Republican, he grew up in El Paso. He doesn’t favor a border “wall.” There is already a wall, with doors cut in it for passage. He remembers being a little boy and going from El Paso to Mexico to spend the night with his buds.

He’d prefer we spend our $ on an alternative approach...infrared, satellite, etc.


19 posted on 01/31/2008 12:57:37 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: mdittmar
The author of this piece has a bleeding heart for people who violate another nation's immigration laws. Since he has a great soft spot for illegal immigrants, maybe the US should serve as a coyote and ship scores of illegal immigrants from the mid-east into the UK.
20 posted on 01/31/2008 12:57:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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