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Republican Discontent: Conservatives Dislike McCain, Mistrust Romney
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Posted on 01/31/2008 7:16:23 PM PST by bshomoic

Republican Discontent: Conservatives Dislike McCain, Mistrust Romney

GOP Contenders Fight for Nomination but Party Faithful Not Satisfied


Jan. 31, 2008—

For the last year, conservative Republicans have been unhappy with the Republican field. But some pundits predicted that eventually the party would coalesce around someone.

Now the field has been winnowed down largely to two candidates -- Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts.

Nevertheless, the discontent remains.

McCain's Conservative Credentials

Thursday, California's Republican Gov.Arnold Schwarzenegger praised McCain for working with Democrats.

"He is reaching across the aisle in order to get things done," the popular actor turned governor said when endorsing McCain in Los Angeles.

But that ability -- which in part earned Schwarzenegger's endorsement -- hurts McCain with conservatives.

"So [McCain] just got the endorsement of a big taxing, big spending, socialist health care eco-extreme governor who says the Republican party needs to follow him to the left," conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh said on his radio program.

Conservative on most issues, McCain is resented for opposing the Bush tax cuts, backing immigration reform, and support for taking action on global warming.

"Those views are outside the mainstream of Republican conservative thought," Romney blasted during the most recent -- and perhaps last -- Republican primary debate Wednesday.

"Let me just say I'm proud of my conservative record," McCain shot back.

Questioning Romney

And while Romney claims conservative credentials -- that assertion is undercut by his own record.

"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush," Romney said during his unsuccessful 1994 Senate bid against Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy.

Six years later, in 2002, Romney sounded as if he favored abortion rights.

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose," he said, while campaigning in a successful bid for governor of Massachusetts.

Two Man Race

Either Romney or McCain will almost certainly be the Republican nominee despite an early challenge by former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas. But across the nation, conservatives are simply not satisfied.

The lunchtime crowd at Gabriel's Desserts in Cobb County, Ga., lacked an appetite for either candidate.

"I'm not happy with anyone in the field," said Toby Toler, who identified himself as a Republican voter.

There was a similar lack of hunger at the Avalon Diner in Houston.

"I haven't seen a leader in the entire Republican group," said Andy Abercrombie.

With dislike of McCain and distrust of Romney, some say only one candidate could unify and energize conservative voters: Hillary Clinton.

But conservative activists warn the nominee ignores their concerns at his own peril.

"Every time the Republican candidate has not had the enthusiastic support from the base of the Republican party they lose, no matter who the opponent is," said Richard Viguerie, a conservative activist and author.

McCain's 96-year-old mother, Roberta, said the Republican base will ultimately accept her son, the front-runner.

"I think holding their nose they're going to have to take him," she told C-SPAN recently.

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KEYWORDS: elections; jaketapper; mccain; romney
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To: bshomoic

I know of Yellow Dog Democrats who have voiced interest in Huckabee. I don’t think the powers that be realize how little the average American voter knows about policy and issues. Main Street Americana likes someone that seems like a regular sort of guy—one of them. When he was the mainstream media’s pick (hoping to pick a GOP loser) and they gave him coverage his position in the polls seem to zoom upward. I think he would truly pull his weight in the south as many of those Democrat folks would vote neither for a woman nor a minority. I have heard a number of GOP supporters say that if they don’t show respect for Huckabee then they are through giving money to the GOP for they feel their interests are not being represented. None of these people of which I speak are right wing Christians. I think Huckabee should at least be given more coverage and let the people decide. This is the first time since I became a FP participant that I find myself at odds with the views of the posters. I think he is being underestimated. I need to hear more to be convinced otherwise.

21 posted on 01/31/2008 7:34:11 PM PST by Notasoccermom
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To: bshomoic

NO Conservatives Don’t like or trust McCain and distrust ABC.

22 posted on 01/31/2008 7:36:24 PM PST by lone star annie (McCain hates me and I'm glad he does)
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To: Cicero
What are the chances that we can deadlock the convention and draft Fred?

FWIW, Newt was on Hannity&Colmes and touched on the fact that it is a possibility that no one may have 50% of the delegates by the convention if Huckabee stays in and does well in the south and McCain & Romney split the other states.

23 posted on 01/31/2008 7:37:11 PM PST by MamaLucci (Two words: Brokered Convention!)
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To: bshomoic

We need to stop letting mainstream media tell us what we believe. By speaking for us, they want to direct us. Think for yourself.

24 posted on 01/31/2008 7:40:17 PM PST by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: bshomoic

The reason I dislike McCain is that I do not trust him. I like Romney and whether I trust him or not is still an open question.

25 posted on 01/31/2008 7:41:35 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: bshomoic
""American politics got significantly nastier and more unscrupulous at the brazen and unrestrained hands of the Clintons than anything Richard Nixon could ever have hoped for in his most sinister dreams. And the problem does not show signs of abating any time soon. For although America abhors it, those inside the Beltway seem to believe that their mastery of such tactics is the key to political dominance.

Yet by such events, America’s prospects for the future grow bleak. If anything, this manner of politicking continues to sink the entire governing process deeper and deeper into a murky abyss of corruption, venom, and deceit.

Only when Americans truly decide that such behavior is unacceptable, and show it by their votes, will Washington be forced to take note and change its ways. The dismal results from Florida, along with the fact that the Clintons are still standing after their antics in South Carolina, suggests that America has still further to descend before it hits bottom.

From an article by Adamo

26 posted on 01/31/2008 7:43:47 PM PST by prognostigaator
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To: bshomoic

“Republican Discontent: Conservatives Dislike McCain”

I keep seeing sugar-coated words like “dislike” or “mistrust” when it comes to how conservatives feel about Juan. The un-PC and therefore correct word is HATE.

27 posted on 01/31/2008 7:45:47 PM PST by Grunthor (None of the Above 2008!)
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To: bshomoic

For the depressed the sad and left out. ENJOY

28 posted on 01/31/2008 7:48:10 PM PST by Tigen (Nothing new here;"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it")
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To: Abbeville Conservative; Dark Wing; Dog Gone; Shermy; a_Turk; TigerLikesRooster; Gophack; ...
Romney listens. Even Hillary listens. McCain does not listen. He considers facts he doesn't like to be his personal enemies. This is scary in a President.

"McCain's tendency to make snap judgments based on prejudice rather than information, and his hostility to information that doesn't conform to his prejudices, is perhaps the most frightening aspect of his candidacy."

"... John McCain rarely lets lack of information and expertise stand in his way. Iraq, of course, is a notable exception. McCain frequently visited Iraq and consulted with everyone he could. For this, and because he found the right answer, he deserves the great credit he claims.

But what about McCain's other positions? He opposes drilling in ANWR because, in his words, the area is "pristine" (which in this case means barren) and he "wouldn't drill in the Grand Canyon." Has any candidate ever presented a less serious analysis of an important policy question?

He opposes waterboarding in part because "torture doesn't work." Maybe the things the North Vietnamese did to him at the Hanoi Hilton didn't work, but we know from eye-witness accounts that waterboarding worked. When I asked McCain about this, he essentially accused the CIA of lying.

McCain's tendency to make snap judgments based on prejudice rather than information, and his hostility to information that doesn't conform to his prejudices, is perhaps the most frightening aspect of his candidacy. It is also the most stark difference between McCain and Romney, outstripping any substantive disagreements in my view.

Neither the Romney's style -- "wallowing in the data" -- nor McCain's snap judgment style is ideal for a president. Great presidents rely at times on instinct and core beliefs, not just data. But a president who consistently relies on instinct and pooh-poohs data is likely to make major mistakes. Unless one thinks McCain is a genius (and I don't), we'd probably be better off with Romney's approach to making decisions …."

29 posted on 01/31/2008 7:51:12 PM PST by Thud
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To: DaBadGuy

Yep. For gun owners, that is all that is left—and the media are going out of their way to ignore him, too.

30 posted on 01/31/2008 7:51:13 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Tigen

For the MSM re;Romney & McCain

31 posted on 01/31/2008 7:51:46 PM PST by Tigen (Nothing new here;"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it")
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To: Tigen

Run baby run

32 posted on 01/31/2008 7:55:09 PM PST by Tigen (Nothing new here;"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it")
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To: cripplecreek
Looks like “electability” is going to be a problem for whoever wins the nomination.

Aw, don't worry. The other side has zero credentials and won't pass national scrutiny. We don't elect rock stars.
33 posted on 01/31/2008 7:58:52 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: DaBadGuy
It's a shame that the TRUE CONSERVATIVES ARE SIDELINED from running for POTUS this year because they:
1. Lost their election in '06 (Santorum, Allen, etc.) or
2. Got caught up in corruption-mongering (Jack Abramhoff, Tom Delay and posse) or personal lives being in a mess (Newt Gingrich and others) or
3. Don't want to run on the ticket of a Party that, in the last four years, acted more like Big Spending Democrats and Gay liberals than like Ronald Reagan.

We've got no one to blame but ourselves for the fact that there are NO DECENT CONSERVATIVES running this year.
34 posted on 01/31/2008 8:03:13 PM PST by no dems (If we can't beat Hillary or Obama in '08, the GOP has become a sorry lot..)
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To: DaBadGuy
Ron Paul is too good for the Republican Party. They post all the "hit phrases" that were handed to them by the people they are complaining about.


35 posted on 01/31/2008 8:03:17 PM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Good remarks. With McCain, you know you have a backstabbing traitor. With Romney, you MIGHT have a backstabbing traitor. At this point, I’m willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt. With McCain, there is no chance I will ever vote him.

36 posted on 01/31/2008 8:11:43 PM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: DaBadGuy
I agree. The primary thing which makes me not want to support Paul is his stance on the WOT (not specifically Iraq). But I have come to recognize that to use terrorism as a justification to not support Ron Paul (in the absence of a candidate meeting my other requirements) is in fact cowardice - it is to accept that third-world Islamic extremists can dictate whom to vote or not vote for.

A bunch of barbarians are not going to cower me into voting for abortion, to vote for tax increases, to vote for socialized medicine, to vote for deficits, to vote for more illegal immigration, to vote for restrictions on the 2nd amendment, to vote for restrictions on the 1st amendment, to vote for "leaders" willing to bow before UN dictate, to vote for "leaders" happy to destroy the economy by bowing before envirofascist demands (gorebull whoring, stalling/stopping domestic energy operations), nor vote for class envy, nor endorse candidates who hold other positions I detest. And if terrorists can't, then neither will Hillary!

I'd like a candidate solid on everything (including one willing to stomp the bastards stuck in 9 AD back to 2000 BC), but they (Tancredo, Hunter, Thompson) all dropped out. Something has got to give - FEAR will not guide my choice.

37 posted on 01/31/2008 8:12:22 PM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Tennessee Nana
“I think holding their nose they’re going to have to take him,” she told C-SPAN recently.

It is terrible when someone's mother knows her son stinks.

38 posted on 01/31/2008 8:20:16 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
,,,instead of backing the guy that's been conservative since many of them were in grade school.

Conservative, except for the war with Jihadism, on which Ron Paul is pinker than code pink.

39 posted on 01/31/2008 8:48:42 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: bshomoic

For the most part, Romney governed as a conservative. He’s clearly the most conservative of the major Republicans. McCain’s a liberal and Huckafeller is a lying fraud whose only purpose in staying in a race he knows he can’t win is to divide conservatives so he can guarantee McVain’s nomination and get the Vice Presidential nod from him.

40 posted on 01/31/2008 9:23:23 PM PST by TBP
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