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Keyes: Romney responsible for same-sex marriage fiasco
Worldnetdaily ^ | February 3, 2008

Posted on 02/03/2008 4:31:28 AM PST by Tigen

Republican presidential candidate Alan Keyes may not get invited to the televised debates but that doesn't mean he's going stay out of the fray or attack his opponents when he believes they've abandoned his party's values – particularly on the issue of same-sex marriage.

On his campaign website this week, Keyes blasted former Gov. Mitt Romney for being "single-handedly responsible for instituting same-sex marriage in Massachusetts" for the way he responded to a state court ruling in 2003.

"Most people are unaware of the way Massachusetts came to adopt same-sex marriage," the former Reagan administration diplomat said. "They think the state's Supreme Judicial Court forced it to happen. That's incorrect."

"The court merely issued an opinion stating that, in its view, the existing marriage law was unconstitutional because it failed to allow persons of the same sex to marry," Keyes said. "The court then gave the legislature 180 days to 'take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion' – implicitly telling lawmakers to come up with a new marriage statute."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; alankeyes; keyes; mittromney; romney
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"The failure by Romney to 'say no' to corrupt activist judges in a critical controversy over 'separation of powers,' and his willingness to take unwarranted steps that exceeded his lawful authority, reveal the kind of chief executive he would be if elected president," Keyes said.
1 posted on 02/03/2008 4:31:31 AM PST by Tigen
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To: Tigen

Alan Keyes and the Keysters.

Still crazy after all these years.

I actually like Alan, its just that this race is too big for him to be involved in now other than to get attention.


2 posted on 02/03/2008 4:37:18 AM PST by Nextrush (MCCAIN IS THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE AND MUST BE DEFEATED AT ALL COSTS)
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To: Tigen
McCain/Hagel'08
Because They Deserve Each Other
3 posted on 02/03/2008 4:37:43 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (McCain/Hagel'08 - Because they deserve each other.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
How about McCain/Kerry???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkcVXIhssCI

4 posted on 02/03/2008 4:41:04 AM PST by W04Man (DON'T BLAME ME, I was With Fred http://Vets4Fred.net)
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To: Tigen

This is the same guy that got duped by Michael Moore to crowd surf with Rage Against the Machine. I trust him and WND opinion about as much as I trust what comes from Slate and Dennis Kucinech.


5 posted on 02/03/2008 4:42:56 AM PST by Abbeville Conservative (Voted for Fred but now for Mitt. Huck sucks and McCain's deranged.)
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To: Tigen

Keys is a liar. Point blank. Liar. A BIG FAT Liar.


6 posted on 02/03/2008 4:43:33 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: W04Man

no we don’t want any more liberals from massachusetts!


7 posted on 02/03/2008 4:44:33 AM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Superbowl Day! You get one full day before I start jumping on everyone.)
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To: Tigen

Alan: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


8 posted on 02/03/2008 4:44:46 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Alan just wanting his share of slave reparations!!! LMAO
9 posted on 02/03/2008 4:45:52 AM PST by Abbeville Conservative (Voted for Fred but now for Mitt. Huck sucks and McCain's deranged.)
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To: Tigen
"The court merely issued an opinion stating that, in its view, the existing marriage law was unconstitutional because it failed to allow persons of the same sex to marry," Keyes said. "The court then gave the legislature 180 days to 'take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion' – implicitly telling lawmakers to come up with a new marriage statute."

hmm..WND and Dr. Keyes seem to be implying that governors and legislatures can simply ignore court rulings.

Without going into the merits of that opinion it should be pointed out that it is simply their opinion.

10 posted on 02/03/2008 4:46:40 AM PST by evad (.)
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To: Tigen

Do people still look to WorldNetDaily for factual information?


11 posted on 02/03/2008 4:48:52 AM PST by tortdog
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To: ari-freedom

I’ve had a belly-full of critter-eating liberals from Arkansas


12 posted on 02/03/2008 4:50:16 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Tigen

Keyes is fulla’ sh•t... and so is anyone else trying to make this stick. Romney could do little against the SJC and the Legislature.


13 posted on 02/03/2008 4:50:41 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: rhombus

I guess Arizona wins either way.


14 posted on 02/03/2008 4:54:06 AM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Superbowl Day! You get one full day before I start jumping on everyone.)
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To: evad
Keyes is correct. The NewYorkTimes' Judge in MA created gay marriage
in violation of the MA Constitution. No problem though, for pro-DNC Romney.

Ignoring the MA Constitution, Romney got down on his knees (after consulting
his church for an OK) and ordered the Mass clerks to ignore the Constitution
and obey the judge from south africa and the New York Times.

Romney is the DNC's secret agent.

Surrounded by Sen. Kennedy and other beaming Democrats,
who admire their owned, trained, docile pandering RINO-Governor
who is delighted to install HillaryCARE without a vote.

Sen. John Kerry to Don Imus on RomneyCARE=HillaryCARE: "I like this health care bill".

Sen. Hillary Clinton on RomneyCARE=HillaryCARE: "To come up with a bipartisan plan in this polarized environment is commendable."

15 posted on 02/03/2008 4:58:13 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Tigen

Keyes jumped the sharked at least 4 years ago. Maybe longer than that.

16 posted on 02/03/2008 4:58:39 AM PST by yellowhammer ( Mitt Romney '08)
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To: johnny7

He could have used a veto. I find it interesting that so many of you are quick to name call when someone disagrees with you... Kind of like the Ron Paul people. When did this become the cry baby forum?


17 posted on 02/03/2008 4:59:02 AM PST by Blue Collar Republican (3 fingers of Jim Beam in a dirty glass)
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To: ari-freedom
I guess Arizona wins either way.

There's no win with that route - only a weaker GOP.

18 posted on 02/03/2008 5:00:50 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Tigen

IN MITTS WORDS ABORTION/GAY RIGHTS/GAYS IN THE BOY SCOUTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3xJdFbJGw&NR=1

THere ARE MORE FROM JUST A FEW YEARS AGO TOO! They are the same too!


19 posted on 02/03/2008 5:02:34 AM PST by Tigen
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To: Nextrush

I liked Alan and still wish Bush had chosen him as his running mate over Cheney, but he is really starting to irritate me these days.

He needs to put a sock in it and sit down.


20 posted on 02/03/2008 5:15:24 AM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: johnny7
Did the SJC force Romney by gunpoint to sign the law?

The SJC is not an all-powerful branch designed to supersede the other two.

It’s about damn time some politician with a set of cojones instruct the sheeple about this “discovery”.

21 posted on 02/03/2008 5:17:43 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Tigen

So Alan, will you be happier with McCain?


22 posted on 02/03/2008 5:17:51 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: Blue Collar Republican
He could have used a veto.

Against what... the SJC? Same-sex marriage in MA was decreed by the Supreme Judicial Court... and an overwhelmingly, DemocRAT Legislature enabled them to do so. Anyone familiar with MA politics knows this... so take your BS somewhere else.

23 posted on 02/03/2008 5:34:28 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Blue Collar Republican

He used what was effectively an executive order...no law.


24 posted on 02/03/2008 5:37:33 AM PST by evad (.)
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To: tortdog

RE: WND

It’s a lot more reliable then the hallucinary rants of RINO apologists frequently posted herein


25 posted on 02/03/2008 5:45:22 AM PST by texican01
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To: maui_hawaii

So if Keyes is lying, what really happened in Mass?


26 posted on 02/03/2008 5:47:28 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I voted for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: Diogenesis

Dio, you have the best pix. Nice job.


27 posted on 02/03/2008 5:48:52 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I voted for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: texican01

Serious question: Do you read WND and consider it to be a good source of facts?


28 posted on 02/03/2008 5:48:58 AM PST by tortdog
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To: johnny7
Excuse me, this has nothing to do with the Mass. Leg. Romney issued a direct order starting the whole homosexual marriage process. He could of told the SJC to "f’ off, the Leg has failed to act within your 180 day decree so I am not doing anything and definitely not listening to four oligarchs".
29 posted on 02/03/2008 5:49:49 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: ovrtaxt
My question is how many times do we have to explain this stuff to idiots who don't want to know the truth, but who make false accusations... yet they 'ask' the same question 500 times...

Then they start over at lie #1 all over again.

How many times do we have to answer? You tell me.

30 posted on 02/03/2008 5:51:46 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: G Larry

I’m not voting for McCain in the primary, but I’d prefer him over Mitt. At least with McCain we know what we’re getting. Romney could be ANYTHING in the next couple of years.


31 posted on 02/03/2008 5:52:35 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: maui_hawaii

I don’t know. This is the first time I’ve asked.


32 posted on 02/03/2008 5:52:53 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I voted for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Scroll down to Same-Sex Marriage...

then hit the “for more details” link at the bottom for a timeline.

33 posted on 02/03/2008 5:55:27 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Tigen
I’ve just lost a ton of respect for Allen Keyes. I was here when it happened. Romney is the least culpable and did what little he could to resist the usurpation by the Supreme Judicial Court.
34 posted on 02/03/2008 6:00:22 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Abbeville Conservative
He is a bigtime reparations promoter. I am certain that if romney endorsed reparations... keyes would endorse him instantly.

LLS

35 posted on 02/03/2008 6:05:18 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote for?)
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To: rollo tomasi

See post #33... then maybe you’ll get a clue.


36 posted on 02/03/2008 6:06:23 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: ovrtaxt
OK, so you get the benefit of the doubt.

Long story short there was a court case who took court case and an existing law and by judicial fiat they redefined marriage.

EG A law said 'husband and wife'...and the court took it upon itself to say that 'husband' doesn't mean that it has to apply to men only, and 'wife' doesn't have to apply to women only.

They did not consult the governor nor the legislature in this by the way. Complete fiat.

By a simple redefinition of what words mean from the judges bench the court sent the whole affair into overdrive.

Romney hence was on the first plane to Washington DC testifying in front of the US Senate in behalf of a constitutional ammendment defining marriage.

He also fought to get the measure put on the ballot in Massachussetts, but the legislature blocked it.

Search around freerepublic and you can find this discussed ad naseum. Yet anti mormons and anti mitt people dredge up and debunked story over and over again.

By their logic Richard Nixon should be hated by all--why? Because HE WAS RESPONSIBLE for Roe V Wade....

In fact Nixon could not control the court and neither could Mitt. But Mitt fought it every single step of the way.

37 posted on 02/03/2008 6:07:31 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Diogenesis

Take it from a Romney supporter; The picture you posted showing Romney joyfully signing his own version of Hillarycare Coercive slashes away at my insides.

Despite that, I’d rather fight tooth and nail against Romney on this single Coercive Care debacle, than having to fight tooth and nail against lame McCain’s multiple anti conservative debacles on multiple fronts.

In other words, thankyou for reminding us Romney well deserves to squirm uncomfortably on his HillaryCare initiative; but McCain deserves to be fried in Hell for everything he has done and intends to do to wreck this Country.

As far as the gay marraige thing goes, I’m not quite sure Romney could have done much to block it. Although once it was enacted, he did have one last ditch grandstanding option of disallowing the issuance of marraige certificates statewide (hetero and homo.)
I personally would have liked to see such a stunt tried and all the attendant ruckus, but “in the end” (pun intended), such a stand might have caused more harm than good.


38 posted on 02/03/2008 6:16:14 AM PST by So Circumstanced
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To: johnny7
Scroll down to May 17, 2004 and get “a clue” yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts

Nice to see the person writing your Wikipedia article left out the details of May 17.

39 posted on 02/03/2008 6:19:50 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: kjam22

Yes, we know all too well what we’re getting with McCain. With McCain, we’re getting a Democrat on the order of say. a Hillary Clinton. There is little difference between McCain and Clinton.


40 posted on 02/03/2008 6:30:54 AM PST by So Circumstanced
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To: maui_hawaii

Thanks for the info.

But I’m still not supporting him on grounds that he’s a Mass liberal- there’s enough of his record that proves it, universal health care being the centerpiece.


41 posted on 02/03/2008 6:38:23 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I voted for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: Tigen
Keyes? ROTFL!!! Poor Alan just doesn't know when it's time to say goodnight and fade into history.

His shrillness turned me off in 2000.

42 posted on 02/03/2008 6:39:06 AM PST by Stars&StripesNE (Liberals are the enemy within)
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To: rollo tomasi

Hmmmm. 180 days, and he issued the order in one month? well now.


43 posted on 02/03/2008 6:41:31 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I voted for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: kjam22

Mitt has more integrity and better demonstrated core principles than McCain.
His Pro-life conversion is fact-based and convincing.


44 posted on 02/03/2008 6:43:55 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: rollo tomasi
'Bone-up' on May 17, 2004...
45 posted on 02/03/2008 6:44:35 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: rollo tomasi

MittWit explanations never contain any actual explanations. All they can do is call you names and screech about the source of the article.

They’ll claim they’ve ‘answered this 100 times’, but never have addressed the substance of the argument once.

Now, one of their higher-ups will respond to me or to you with an 800 word gibberish post that says everything and nothing at the same time.

Slick Willard is a joke and it’s an insult to conservatives that anyone is trying to pass him off as the conservative standard bearer. So, now the mantra is ‘So, you’d prefer McCain?’ I don’t know which I would prefer. Neither is anywhere close to acceptable and both will surely lose the general.

So, IMHO, if we’re going to get beaten in November, I’d like to see this new ‘coup’ of liberal governors and pseudo-Republicans like McCain get beaten straight up in the general, than see a phony, pandering joke like Romney validating their BS by losing ‘as a conservative’.


46 posted on 02/03/2008 6:45:56 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (Careful guys, someone spiked the Mitt KoolAid.)
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To: Tigen

Just when you think Alan Keyes couldn’t be any worse, he gets worse.


47 posted on 02/03/2008 6:49:35 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Tigen
Alan Keyes...as usual is right on target. Romney has big-time baggage.

48 posted on 02/03/2008 6:51:31 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (REAGAN: "..party..must represent certain fundamental beliefs [not] compromised..[for] expediency")
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To: Blue Collar Republican
I find it interesting that so many of you are quick to name call when someone disagrees with you

It's the prime directive from the Romney Sleaze Machine. With no real case where they can defend Mitt's liberal record their only choice is to employ the liberal tactic of destroying the messenger to silence him or her.

49 posted on 02/03/2008 6:55:34 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (REAGAN: "..party..must represent certain fundamental beliefs [not] compromised..[for] expediency")
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To: So Circumstanced
If you look at Romney's record (and not what he has said during this campaign since a candidate can promise anything), his record could very easily have been right out of the Democrat Party platform. McCain sucks, but Romney sucks worse.

50 posted on 02/03/2008 7:01:12 AM PST by big'ol_freeper (REAGAN: "..party..must represent certain fundamental beliefs [not] compromised..[for] expediency")
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