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Idahna, Oregon buried in snow; Mayor asks for emergency help
kgw.com Northwest News Channel 8 ^ | 01:11 PM PST on Sunday, February 3, 2008 | KGW and kgw.com Staff

Posted on 02/04/2008 4:42:28 AM PST by justa-hairyape

In Idahna, Ore., there is so much snow, residents' roofs are starting to collapse. The mayor has requested that Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski declare the area a state of emergency and send help.

Eighteen inches of snow fell in the last 24 hours on top to 6 feet of snow already there, Idahna Mayor Karen Clark said Sunday.

There is literally nowhere to put the snow.

"We have buildings with snow on them in danger of collapsing. Snow around doors in danger of bursting, some homes have already sustained damage," Clark said.

The town does not have the resources to deal with so much snow, according to the mayor.

Oregon State Corrections sent inmates in to help, but they need heavy equipment to get the snow off of road ways and homes.

“We are out of room and snow plowing money so are in danger of having to suspend snow plowing of the streets. Our citizens have now become in imminent danger as a result. We are also concerned about the citizens of Marion County that are out of our city limits and we are unable to help," Clark said.

"We are asking the Governor of Oregon for an immediate Declaration of State of Emergency and the National Guard to come in with heavy equipment.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: globalcooling; globalwarming; oregon; snow; snowstorm; winter
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Hope we can mobilize the help the people of Oregon need now asap.

How do the people of Oregon feel about the Marines and the military at large? Just wondering...

101 posted on 02/04/2008 8:25:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: justa-hairyape
More Idaho and Eastern Washington News

'It just keeps coming'

BOISE, Idaho -- Officials in north Idaho's Kootenai County have declared a state of emergency, saying a series of snowstorms has crippled the region's ability to deal with roof collapses, impassible roads, snowed-in senior citizens and other crises.

"The problem is it just keeps coming," Kootenai County Commissioner Rick Currie told The Associated Press shortly after making the emergency declaration this week. "You can only stack the snow so high, and we're running out of places to put it. Our signal lights aren't functioning the way they should. Our lights have been flickering all day. There's a depletion of resources, of manpower, for public and private snow removal."

Across the border in Spokane, Wash., that state's governor, Chris Gregoire, declared a state of emergency Thursday for 15 counties, mostly in snowbound eastern Washington.

"This is certainly the most snow we've had since 1996 or 1997, and if you rank the snowfall from the beginning of the snow season to the present day, you're in the top five to 15 snowfalls -- depending on the region -- of all our records going back to the 1890s," Livingston said.

Snow accumulations in north Idaho have ranged from 4 to 7 feet.

102 posted on 02/04/2008 8:26:33 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Looking at the picture, I now have the theme from The Shining playing in my head.
103 posted on 02/04/2008 8:27:09 PM PST by Redcloak ("A plague o' both your houses!")
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I think people just do know understand the magnitude of the damage/danger there now.

Large numbers of us live in areas where we fully understand that in winter it gets cold and snow falls. Sometimes a lot of it. This is not anything that far out of the ordinary, except for ill-prepared political idiots who think that global warming means now.

They'll survive, maybe update their thinking about ecotopia.

104 posted on 02/04/2008 8:31:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: justa-hairyape
National Guard arrives to help dig out schools

SANDPOINT -- When Idaho National Guard put word out it needed volunteers to help shovel off school roofs in Bonner County, Sgt. Mark Hepinstall immediately put his name on the list.

"I've been deployed to Iraq twice and helped out in the area during 9/11," Hepinstall said. "I've always wanted to come home and help my community."

105 posted on 02/04/2008 8:33:46 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

It was -30f this morning here in Alaska, still somewhat warmer than normal for this time of year, years ago I would see almost -50F, not much snow either, its actually too cold for snow, we have maybe 24” for the season with about 18” still on the ground.


106 posted on 02/04/2008 8:34:39 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Eye of Unk

What part of Alaska are you in ? Coastal, Interior, Mountains. North. South. Alaska has such a diverse territory.


107 posted on 02/04/2008 8:39:38 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
More Washington Information.

State uses helicopter to cause avalanches

SEATTLE, Feb. 4 (UPI) -- The Washington state Department of Transportation used a helicopter to drop explosives and trigger avalanches around Snoqualmie Pass for the first time ever.

The move reportedly came because of "unprecedented" snow conditions requiring more aggressive measures to control.

108 posted on 02/04/2008 8:42:27 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I’m glad I live in Southern California, everytime I see pictures like this.


109 posted on 02/04/2008 8:42:31 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Redcloak
Looking at the picture, I now have the theme from The Shining playing in my head.

In conditions like that you do not have to worry about trespassers. But as the Shining portrayed, the trespassers may not be you biggest problem.

110 posted on 02/04/2008 8:51:14 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Is the drought over? Or are they still clinging to the global warming mantra?

I saw there was 10 feet up on Snoqualmie Pass east of Seattle....that is insane...but not a record.

133 percent of average snowpack in the California Sierras also.


111 posted on 02/04/2008 8:52:44 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: justa-hairyape

Yeah... All they need now is some stupid kid running around town screaming “RED RUM!!”


112 posted on 02/04/2008 8:53:17 PM PST by Redcloak ("A plague o' both your houses!")
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To: dragnet2
I’m glad I live in Southern California, everytime I see pictures like this.

I am also glad to live in So Cal. The snow level here did get close to 2,000 feet, which put it about 1,000 feet above my elevation. The areas that recently received snow in southern China, have latitudes similar to Miami and the Florida Keys.

113 posted on 02/04/2008 8:54:38 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I live north of the border in snow country.

This is one serious winter!


114 posted on 02/04/2008 8:54:55 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: listenhillary

If a roof in Los Angeles pools water, it is bad news with 1-2 inch/rain per hour. Usually it is some roofer crew that leaves crap up there before the store that plugs the drain/gutters.


115 posted on 02/04/2008 8:57:36 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: justa-hairyape
It's never snowed to speak of in my area of S. Cal. Just the way I like it.

But I do enjoy seeing snow on postcards.

116 posted on 02/04/2008 9:00:08 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: BurbankKarl
Above-average Sierra snowpack deepens
By Julie Brown
Sierra Sun, jbrown@sierrasun.com
February 3, 2008, 8:35 PM

January’s continuous stream of stormy winter weather left behind above-average snowpacks — good news for those watching the water supply, but a mixed-bag for local businesses.

Results from the California Department of Water Resources’ snow survey completed on Jan. 31 near Echo Summit on Highway 50 revealed snowpacks that were more than seven feet deep, or 123 percent above average for this time of year.

There is 75 percent more water in the snowpack this year than there was at the same point last season, the survey said. And across the entire Sierra Nevada the snowpack is 111 percent of average.

Data paints a similar picture for North Lake Tahoe and Truckee. The snowpack is 121 percent and 108 percent above average respectively, according to the Western Regional Climate Center at the Desert Research Institute.

Readings in Tahoe City showed 15 inches of water in the snowpack on Feb. 1, said Dr. Kelly Redmond, a regional climatologist with the research institute. Data taken on same day in 2007 showed only 5 inches.

“We’re sitting pretty good right now,” Redmond said. “But we have had a number of years in the past where it shut off in the spring.”

“Last year was dry to critical for our [snow] runoff,” Lynn said. “One month is good, but we need a good full season to make up for last year’s deficit.”

The Department of Water Resources will be compiling an official report on the projected water supply, based on the snowpack data, at the end of the month, said Lynn.

117 posted on 02/04/2008 9:03:00 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: BurbankKarl

You might want to get a Snow Emergency thread running for the Northwest. Gonna stay bad for at least a week or two, probably longer. Problems in Eastern Washington, Northern Idaho, Oregon Cascades, Eastern Oregon and Utah. Snow levels may eventually get to critical levels in the Sierras and Colorado Rockies. National guards being called for in Oregon and Idaho. States of emergency in Idaho and Washington counties. I would imagine that Nor Cal has also gotten hammered.


118 posted on 02/04/2008 9:09:47 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: All
Does anyone know if Idaho and Oregon have primaries on Super tomorrow?

The snow might impact the voting, but in favor of who I don't know.

Leni

119 posted on 02/04/2008 9:12:50 PM PST by MinuteGal (Mitt's the Guy!.......... Huckabee is Pie in the Sky)
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To: justa-hairyape

John Moodie works to clear his driveway Monday in Snoqualmie Pass enough to access his garage. His snowblower struggles to throw the snow up the embankment that surrounds his home.

Seattle Times

120 posted on 02/04/2008 9:13:52 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
Wow. What an image. Hey, at least he wont have to worry about mowing the lawn for awhile !
121 posted on 02/04/2008 9:36:26 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I live 11 miles north of Wasilla, AK, about 51 road miles north of Anchorage, its technically the interior, its dry here but not as frigid as the far interior like Delta Junction.


122 posted on 02/04/2008 9:47:15 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: justa-hairyape

Down in the valley its just been raining. I don’t know about this town but a lot of towns here are not set up to deal with snow. There aren’t enough plows, dump trucks and no salt.

It was strange moving here and finding that at times, there are no passable roads going into or out of Oregon and Washington except along the coast.


123 posted on 02/04/2008 9:48:18 PM PST by Tramonto (Jim Robinson on Romney: "This evil being has no moral bedrock.")
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To: Eye of Unk

Can you see the Alaskan Range to the north west ?


124 posted on 02/04/2008 9:57:16 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

The flooding out here can be bad - like in Nov. just south of Seattle. Most of the late fall we just get rain, but sometimes we do get a big snow but then it turns back to rain and the rain combined with the snow melt and rushes down the rivers (like getting four days of rain in one day!)

The flooding in the spring (or whenever it warms up) will depend more on a quick rise in temperature combined with rains. However, with a larger snowpack the length of time it will take to melt is longer which raises the odds (pretty likely) that we will have plenty of T.V. stations showing the “salmon swimming over the roadway” clip.


125 posted on 02/04/2008 10:11:28 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“How do the people of Oregon feel about the Marines and the military at large? Just wondering...”

In the huge floods south of Seattle last November the main reaction I saw is how folks helped each other out. While Seattle is very liberal, the flood area is rural and farming community. One farmer from the other end of the state came down on his vacation with his family and they just found some farmer to help for the week.

I was in a store and one guy was joking with the other about when he was going to help him dig out from all the mud. The other guy laughed and said something like as long as I can use your shovel ‘cuz I wore mine out. Then in seriousness said “I’m almost done at my place, so I can come over and give you a hand”. The other farmer replied “Nah - I was just teasing. Actually this week is “clean the tools” week - but maybe next week I’ll be digging and could use your help.”

It was AMAZING to see these guys in good humor. There was 2 to 3 feet of mud everywhere, and I’m sure that much of their properties and livelyhood had been destroyed. Even nearby farmers that had equipment had a hard time getting it to folks that needed help. But they were helping each other to get it done.

One of the news articles had some guy saying about FEMA - “that will be great once we get a FEMA check that can help us rebuild, but digging out has to happen NOW and no way can the government do it faster than we can ourselves.”


126 posted on 02/04/2008 10:25:17 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Here is some data on Washington state snowpack levels for various area. All in inches. Current, Avg. Annual, and last years. This year is 150% to 200% above average. Last year’s levels were above average as well.

Site .............Current.... Avg...... Last Year

HURRICANE RIDGE.....129 .......78......... 95
MT BAKER ...........175...... 124 ........150
STEVENS ............135 .......87......... 95
SNOQUALMIE .........130 .......79......... 82
STAMPEDE ...........133....... 87 .........89
MISSION .............51 .......40......... 47
CRYSTAL .............97....... 59......... 77
PARADISE ...........169 ......132 ........125
WHITE PASS .........110....... 52......... 60
TIMBERLINE .........177...... 118........ 115
MEADOWS ............173 .......97......... 98


127 posted on 02/04/2008 10:30:48 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: justa-hairyape; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; ...
Oregon Ping

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128 posted on 02/04/2008 10:38:01 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Bear_Slayer
If I remember correctly even the City Manager was out driving one of the trucks in Kalispell, we used to live there, still miss Mooses.
129 posted on 02/04/2008 10:50:38 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: justa-hairyape
Our main problem here in Kentucky are multiple lines of severe thunderstorms that have hit the state over the past couple of weeks, dropping multiple tornadoes and knocking out power to over 30,000 customers (I was one of them last Tuesday).

Unfortunately, it looks like we are going to get hit again this evening. They are calling for heavy rain, wind gusts in excess of 50mph, possible hail, and the chance of tornadoes.

130 posted on 02/04/2008 11:05:50 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: BurbankKarl
Rockies getting slammed too.


There's a House in Here Somewhere! - Feb. 3, 2008 - Rudy Rozman clears snow from the roof of a friend's home in Crested Butte, Colo., on Sunday, Feb. 3, 2008. (AP Photo/ Nathan Bilow)

West Buried by Snow - Over 5 Feet in Colorado

- Six states have reported two feet or more of snow in the last 3 days, with over five feet at Wolf Creek, Colorado (SkiReport.com).

- Before this week's snow storm, Colorado's snowpack was already at 11-year record highs

131 posted on 02/04/2008 11:08:06 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
I just went outside and cleared 5 inches of snow off my F150. The snow on the windshield had already started to melt and refreeze to ice. That made the clean up a lot more work. I have to take my son to work at 7:30 AM tomorrow. All that effort may be a waste as it is still snowing right now. It's just one of those unavoidable chores this time of year. Fremont county is about 75 north of my house.

Our city has building code requirements that include special attention to making sure the roofs meet minimum standards for pitch and weight bearing capacity. The standards are reasonable considering that annual snowfall here averages 40 inches. Snow is 4 inches of the 17 inches of annual liquid water precipitation that we get here. Not all that different from San Diego. I'm at 4600 ft elevation. Most of the snow here is like granulated sugar. Summers are warm (86 to 104) with very low humidity.

132 posted on 02/04/2008 11:09:41 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: dragnet2
I’m glad I live in Southern California, everytime I see pictures like this.

There's plenty of time to enjoy the scenery as you sit in traffic jams all morning and evening. I'm thrilled to have a couple feet of snow on my lawn. I don't have to water or cut it this time of year.

133 posted on 02/04/2008 11:12:31 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Some serious action coming to your area. We are seeing that strange temperature gradient again traveling from Texas/Oklahoma on up to Michigan. This then moves to the east. Basically, a cold Pacific (La Nina) is duking it out with a mild Atlantic. And those of you caught in the middle of that fight might end up being the biggest losers. Lots of subtropical moisture traveling up into the lower Midwest. Pretty strange watching the northern tropics flowing west to east. Is that normal for winter ?
134 posted on 02/04/2008 11:15:06 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
I have snow shoes in case that amount of snow ever lands on my house. I'm prepared to go out a 2nd story window if necessary. The lowest edge of the roof is 32 ft above ground.
135 posted on 02/04/2008 11:15:52 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
There's plenty of time to enjoy the scenery as you sit in traffic jams all morning and evening.

The key is to never drive the freeways during a week day. I have stopped doing that for the past 5 years. We do have some of the worse drivers in the world around here now though. I almost get in an accident every time I go to the local store.

136 posted on 02/04/2008 11:17:59 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: BurbankKarl
Check out this site.

http://www.nohrsc.nws.gov/interactive/html/map.html

137 posted on 02/04/2008 11:33:20 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

On a clear day I can barely see that far, if I was in Anchorage I can see Denali, its like 14,00feet(?) and like 175 miles away I think, also I can see a volcanic range from Anchorage where a volcano erupted in 1992 but where i live no such luck, too much trees and hills.


138 posted on 02/04/2008 11:36:58 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: justa-hairyape
This map shows current snow depth for the northwest except Rockies and southern Sierra.

Current Northwest US Snow Levels

139 posted on 02/04/2008 11:38:50 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
This map shows current snow levels for the Southwest including the Colorado Rockies.

Current Southwest US Snow Levels

140 posted on 02/04/2008 11:41:27 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Great, The Santa Anas just started blowing in So Cal. Must be a High pressure coming in over the Deserts ?
141 posted on 02/04/2008 11:42:43 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
This map shows a closeup of the current snow levels for the entire state of Oregon.

Current Oregon Snow Levels

142 posted on 02/04/2008 11:48:46 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
This map shows a closeup of the current snow levels for the entire state of Washington.

Current Washington Snow Levels

143 posted on 02/04/2008 11:51:47 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Please call Al Gore.


144 posted on 02/04/2008 11:55:34 PM PST by lawgirl (She comes on like thunder and she's more right than rain)
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To: justa-hairyape
This map shows a closeup of the current snow levels for Northern Idaho and Western Montana.

Current Idaho and Western Montana Snow Levels

145 posted on 02/04/2008 11:56:47 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: thackney

This doesn’t happen every year....there are unusual amounts of snow in the oregon mountains this year. (especially the windward side)

Its interesting, but just 30-40 miles away to either the east or the west...there is hardly any snow.


146 posted on 02/04/2008 11:57:19 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The difference between rural and metropolitan oregon and their poltical views, is almost like 2 different countries.

But the Metro Areas far outweigh the rural in population.


147 posted on 02/04/2008 11:59:18 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: lawgirl
Please call Al Gore.

Kinda reminds me of a story from the recent Super Bowl. Eli Manning was asking Peyton Manning for some advice on the Super Bowl. Peyton told Eli, 'I think you are beyond getting advice from me'.

I think that amount of snow is beyond anything Al Gore and his BoBo's Warming Crowd can help us with. Look at Idaho. Majority of the land area has 50 or more inches of snow.

148 posted on 02/05/2008 12:00:14 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
This map shows a extra closeup of the current snow levels in south central Colorado and North Central new Mexico. This area just got hammered again.

Current Colorado New Mexico Border Snow Levels

149 posted on 02/05/2008 12:10:37 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
This map shows a extra closeup of the current snow levels in the hard hit Idaho Mountains range located just the North East of Boise.

Current Idaho Mountains (Northeast of Boise) Snow Level

150 posted on 02/05/2008 12:17:10 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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