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Jennings Rides Again: Kristol Warns Conservatives Against 'Temper Tantrum'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 02/04/2008 11:18:12 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

The voters had a temper tantrum last week . . . Parenting and governing don't have to be dirty words: the nation can't be run by an angry two-year-old. -- Peter Jennings, November 14, 2004, commenting on the Republican landslide.

[C]onservatives . . . can choose to stand aside from history while having a temper tantrum. But they should consider that the American people might then choose not to invite them back into a position of responsibility for quite a while to come. -- William Kristol, February 4, 2008, on conservative aversion to McCain.

It's one thing to be bawled out by the late Peter Jennings. But do conservatives have to have their knuckles rapped by one of their own, Bill Kristol? Apparently yes, as per the Weekly Standard editor's New York Times column of today, Dyspepsia on the Right.

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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I’m still waiting for Kristol to say something substantive and of significance.


51 posted on 02/04/2008 11:48:35 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Mitt Romney For President 2008)
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To: tomnbeverly
To me, securing the border is a large factor in national security and defense. And what conservative principles will ever be upheld when the 'rats have enough immigrant "entitlement" voters, added to our native ones, to ensure 'rat control of the White House and Congress in perpetuity?
52 posted on 02/04/2008 11:49:09 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: snarkybob
Being from Southeast Texas, I know a lot of people like that, they tend to be very conservative Democrats. I don’t think they would vote for Obama or Hillary, so they’re voting for McCain.

My brother-in-law is an old-school Hubert Humphrey conservative Democrat. He's grinding his gears at the thought of either Hillary or Obama, but when he gets in that voting booth, he'll dutifully pull the lever for one of them. No way would he EVER vote for a Republican :-(

53 posted on 02/04/2008 11:50:04 AM PST by Inspectorette
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Kristol can KMA. He is just looking for a job in a McCain Presidency.


54 posted on 02/04/2008 11:50:13 AM PST by kcvl
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To: snarkybob
Since moving to and retiring in Texas I have been surprised by the number of Former/Retired Military who are DINO’s(not RINO’s).
55 posted on 02/04/2008 11:50:17 AM PST by America-The-Great-1967 (Don't fix the blame, fix the problem.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
C]onservatives . . . can choose to stand aside from history while having a temper tantrum. But they should consider that the American people might then choose not to invite them back into a position of responsibility for quite a while to come

Kristol either forgets or chooses to ignore the history of this country was formed by our founding fathers based on Conservative principles. Kristol is also stating there are two distinct groups in the GOP consisting of Conservatives and those who are not Conservative. That other group who is not Conservative can only be Socialists and reflects the losing include everyone in the party mentality to expand the voter base for the sole purpose of winning an election strategy that has created the Republican party's predicament at the expense of Conservatism. What a bunch of bull.
56 posted on 02/04/2008 11:50:18 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: libbylu

And the Beltway Boys (Fred and Mort) think we’re all racists because we want immigration law enforced.


57 posted on 02/04/2008 11:50:35 AM PST by Joann37
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To: snarkybob
Should McCain get the nomination and manage to win in Nov. where do conservatives go from there. The GOP leadership will rightfully claim that they can win without the conservatives, and the what?

Right. If they win without conservatives this election (unlikely scenario), conservative concerns will forever be written off from the Republican party platform anyway.
58 posted on 02/04/2008 11:51:48 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Kristol is a huge McCaniac.

Although he did go out of his way to compliment Romney yesterday on FNS. I found that to be quite odd, both the substance of his compliment and the lack of context as he launched into it.

Do you think he perhaps had already gotten a lot of negative feedback from his NYTimes column and was making amends beforehand?

59 posted on 02/04/2008 11:51:51 AM PST by citizen (Capt. McQueeg: "Have any of you an explanation for the quart of missing strawberries?" (click-clack))
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To: tumblindice
I think the reason Big Media wants McCain in there is because it would be cake to portray McCain as a crusty mean old white man v. Obama/Clinton. He'd be crushed as demos get out the vote.

With Romney that strategy is off the table.
60 posted on 02/04/2008 11:52:37 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: Joann37

Just got to get Fred out of Washington for a year or two. The beltway seems to grind these guys right up. I think the close proximity to so many liberal voices tends to cloud one’s thinking. Though I do think Fred had a valid point on this issue.


61 posted on 02/04/2008 11:53:07 AM PST by America-The-Great-1967 (Don't fix the blame, fix the problem.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Quagmire.

The original non-filtered conservatism worked fine.

"Gimme that old-time conservatism..."


62 posted on 02/04/2008 11:54:24 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
That is why I canceled my subscription to the magazine of Billy Boy Kristol several years ago. he is a covert left winger and all should know that.
63 posted on 02/04/2008 11:55:17 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: y6162

“Didn’t take long for Kristol to kiss up to Sulzberger.”

I think Kristol has basically had liberal ideas except for national security for a very long time - maybe forever. He supported McCain in 2000 in the primaries and it’s no surprise he’s backing him today. I’ve never thought of Kristol as conservative.


64 posted on 02/04/2008 11:56:13 AM PST by Minn. 4 Bush
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To: snarkybob

Should McCain get the nomination and manage to win in Nov. where do conservatives go from there.
The GOP leadership will rightfully claim that they can win without the conservatives, and the what?

Not to worry. They can’t,
And so the issue is moot.
If they could win without us, not to mention treating us like dirt while doing so, then they would not be spending precious resources in damage control.

Basically, what they are trying to do is piss down your back - and then tell you its raining.


65 posted on 02/04/2008 11:56:20 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Republicus2001

gmta
I see McCain vs. either of the democudas in debate as a repeat of Vice Admiral Stockbridge (RIP):
“Who am I? Why am I here? (How’m I doin’ Teddy?).” Only testier.


66 posted on 02/04/2008 11:56:43 AM PST by tumblindice (The US Senate: is there anything they don't know?)
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To: tomnbeverly
Your post is faulty.

Without the immigration issue being satisfactorily addressed, then you will not have to worry about any of those other concerns in America.

Because it won’t be America.

>and pandering to them just simply sounds stupid.
Unbelievably bombastic, self aggrandizing, egocentric, rhetoric pontificating. - Cut it out.

67 posted on 02/04/2008 12:00:38 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Kristols description of the thought of John McCain as our nominee makes me sick and want to puke is too polite.


68 posted on 02/04/2008 12:00:59 PM PST by IwaCornDogs (No one appreciates the very special genius of your conversation as the dog does.")
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Someone on a thread a couple of weeks ago said that conservatives are the real RINOs these days.

And maybe there's nothing wrong with that.

69 posted on 02/04/2008 12:01:08 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Between Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol, the Weekly Standard is unreadable.

Political expediency trumps ALL ELSE in their D.C. based mindset.


70 posted on 02/04/2008 12:02:28 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What is it exactly that the clown prince of the beltway “conservatives” wishes to conserve?


71 posted on 02/04/2008 12:03:39 PM PST by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Am I the only one who has grown sick of seeing this pinch voiced, imperious, RINO elitist pontificating to us, the great unwashed, about what we should think and how we should behave?


72 posted on 02/04/2008 12:04:41 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: toddlintown
If I was at a bar and Fred Barnes sat next to me, I’d kick his ass off the stool.

It is not nice to pick of retired people, .............................................................................................................. could I hold you drink.

73 posted on 02/04/2008 12:05:23 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: CaptainK
Very ironic since Kristol supports the King of the Temper Tantrums.

LOL. Good point.

74 posted on 02/04/2008 12:06:26 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: calcowgirl; TommyDale; cricket; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51; Afronaut; Alberta's Child; raybbr; ...
....do conservatives have to have their knuckles rapped by one of their own---Bill Kristol?.......

Little Billy is not one of us. Billy's in a snit. He is behind the push to religiously cleanse the Repub Party and kick conservatives to the curb. He was four-square behind Rino Rooty's failed plot---concentrated on strangling the American political process w/ its important conservative strengths.

The Kristol crowd are cheerleaders for the worst initiatives the current administration has pursued -- including the immigration amnesty atrocity.

The sap-happy Kristols and Giuliani-----the "Everything-For Us-Nothing-For-You" types----know what they can do with their amnesty-loving, religious-hating globalism.

The Kristol crowd lost with Giuliani----now they are backing amnesty-loving McCain.

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Billy Kristol and his daddy are in that nauseating group of big-government globalists. It was Billy's daddy---Giuliani's foreign policy "campaign adviser" ----who announced the shape of things to come, and I quote: "The historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be.....to convert the Republican Party and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy." By Irving Kristol (Billy's dad).

Team Giuliani was engaged in a very dirty game conducted by remorseless people. Good riddance.

75 posted on 02/04/2008 12:07:05 PM PST by Liz (I spent $60 million and got one lousy delegate. Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Inspectorette

Fred was once with the New Republic before he joined the Standard. That should tell you something.


76 posted on 02/04/2008 12:08:25 PM PST by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: Liz
Team Giuliani was engaged in a very dirty game conducted by remorseless people. Good riddance.

Giuliani may be out of the race, but his team simply switched horses along with him to McCrazy. A plum position awaits Rudy (and his minions) in any McCain administration (spit).

The day of reckoning for the GOP is just about here...

77 posted on 02/04/2008 12:10:38 PM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I thought the NYT dropped his column ...


78 posted on 02/04/2008 12:16:41 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: org.whodat

“............ could I hold you drink.”

Hold muh beer!


79 posted on 02/04/2008 12:18:00 PM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: zerosix
The Weak Substandard was never a conservative magazine. Their very first cover story was a sustained whine about how the Internet let the unwashed masses bypass their betters who ought to be setting the agenda for them. (Apparently, the inevitable plaigarism case was discreetly settled between their "writer" and Hillary's lawyers.)
80 posted on 02/04/2008 12:19:12 PM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: Liz

Kristol was McCain’s advisor in previous election cycles...


81 posted on 02/04/2008 12:19:53 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe
Giuliani may be out of the race, but he and his team simply switched horses to McCrazy......

The first sign that they were switching was when political prostitute I'll-Ride-Anything-To-Win-Lieberman galloped in to shadow McCain.

Lieberman is the horse-whipper---riding herd on McCain to make sure he stays in line and advances the Kristol crowd's agenda.

82 posted on 02/04/2008 12:20:55 PM PST by Liz (I spent $60 million and got one lousy delegate. Rudy Giuliani)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I think the author is ten years off with the Jennings quote.
83 posted on 02/04/2008 12:21:01 PM PST by isrul
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To: Republicus2001
I think the reason Big Media wants McCain in there is because it would be cake to portray McCain as a crusty mean old white man v. Obama/Clinton. He'd be crushed as demos get out the vote.

With Romney that strategy is off the table.


And this morning Lanny Davis told the Friends on Fox that the Dems are sooooooooooooo scared of McCain.
84 posted on 02/04/2008 12:22:24 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: TommyDale

Little Billy loves to play dress-up——pretending he’s conservative.


85 posted on 02/04/2008 12:24:16 PM PST by Liz (I spent $60 million and got one lousy delegate. Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Miss Didi

Well, that makes two of us because I’m scared of McCain, too. LOL


86 posted on 02/04/2008 12:24:32 PM PST by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: beandog

;)


87 posted on 02/04/2008 12:27:56 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Weasel. Low down, pompous jocksniffing neocon poof.
88 posted on 02/04/2008 12:28:33 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Liz

He was extremely pro-McCain in 1999 and 2000 before GWB kicked McCain to the curb. As I recall, that was when the McCain temper tantrum against the Religious Right occurred. Doesn’t anyone else remember this? Well, probably not the senile old McCain!


89 posted on 02/04/2008 12:29:44 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Inspectorette

Fred, Mort or Bill Krystol........hard to know which one IS the liberal....they are all the same to me.


90 posted on 02/04/2008 12:33:15 PM PST by tioga (Beware: conservative with back to the wall. Proceed with extreme caution.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
He’s a rino... always has been and always will be.

LLS

91 posted on 02/04/2008 12:34:35 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote for?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Nothing like reolutionaries trying to redifine the GOP as they have tried to do with conservatism.
Even I, frequently referred to as the "godfather" of all those neocons, have had my moments of wonderment. A few years ago I said (and, alas, wrote) that neoconservatism had had its own distinctive qualities in its early years, but by now had been absorbed into the mainstream of American conservatism. I was wrong, and the reason I was wrong is that, ever since its origin among disillusioned liberal intellectuals in the 1970s, what we call neoconservatism has been one of those intellectual undercurrents that surface only intermittently. It is not a "movement," as the conspiratorial critics would have it. Neoconservatism is what the late historian of Jacksonian America, Marvin Meyers, called a "persuasion," one that manifests itself over time, but erratically, and one whose meaning we clearly glimpse only in retrospect.

Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy. That this new conservative politics is distinctly American is beyond doubt. There is nothing like neoconservatism in Europe, and most European conservatives are highly skeptical of its legitimacy. The fact that conservatism in the United States is so much healthier than in Europe, so much more politically effective, surely has something to do with the existence of neoconservatism. But Europeans, who think it absurd to look to the United States for lessons in political innovation, resolutely refuse to consider this possibility.
Irving Kristol (Bill Kristol's father), The Neoconservative Persuasion, The Weekly Standard 08/25/2003, Volume 008, Issue 47
92 posted on 02/04/2008 12:39:28 PM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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To: mrsmel

“The Clinton machine is not going to let that happen. As to whether McCain can defeat Obama—Obama may excite high ‘rat turn-out, but McCain will certainly suppress conservative turn-out—we may be a minority of Republican voters, but that minority may well be the margin of defeat if we don’t turn out to vote, or vote third party or write-in.”

I put the same stock in the “Clinton Machine” that I put in “Karl Rove = Boy Wonder” Hillary is a dangerous politician no doubt, but she’s hardly bullet proof, and Obama seems to have captured the far left and a lot of the left center.
IMO that leaves a lot of moderates on the table for McCain.


93 posted on 02/04/2008 12:39:31 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: Miss Didi
And this morning Lanny Davis told the Friends on Fox that the Dems are sooooooooooooo scared of McCain.

LOL - PLEASE don't throw me in that briar patch...

94 posted on 02/04/2008 12:39:48 PM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: elizabetty
I will not vote for McCain in the primaries. But if he wins the GOP nomination I will vote for McCain over Hillary or Barack. Not even close.
95 posted on 02/04/2008 12:40:27 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: Inspectorette

“No way would he EVER vote for a Republican”

My grandparents and all their friends are just the opposite. Old school Dixiecrats, but they won’t vote for Obama or Hillary.


96 posted on 02/04/2008 12:41:45 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

How could Fox news pick up a guy George Stephanopolis fired?


97 posted on 02/04/2008 12:42:10 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: America-The-Great-1967

“Since moving to and retiring in Texas I have been surprised by the number of Former/Retired Military who are DINO’s(not RINO’s).”

LOL they’re really more anti-government than anything else. They distrust Big Business, but the hate the idea of a nanny state.


98 posted on 02/04/2008 12:43:02 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: elizabetty

Ann Coulter says she’ll vote for Hillary if Juan McCain is the nominee. I would crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary but if it’s McCain/Obama I’ll just stay home. Heck, I might even vote for Obama.


99 posted on 02/04/2008 12:45:27 PM PST by no dems (Politcal Correctness is Fascism)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"But do conservatives have to have their knuckles rapped by one of their own, Bill Kristol?"

So Mark Finkelstein thinks Kristol is a conservative?

Then I can discount everything else he writes.

100 posted on 02/04/2008 12:46:47 PM PST by Designer
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