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A pledge to never vote for McCain (Vanity)
February 5, 2008 | Tree of Liberty

Posted on 02/05/2008 10:11:11 PM PST by Tree of Liberty

If the unfortunate possibility of a McCain nomination comes to pass, I will not work for his election to the presidency, nor will I defend him in ad hoc conversations. He is wholly unworthy for that high office, and it is intolerable for my conscience to abide supporting him.

I will face two options once in the voting booth: 1) cast my ballot for a third party candidate, or 2) simply not vote in the presidential election.

I am curious who among you share my sentiments.


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KEYWORDS: 2008election; election; mccain; president; rino; supertuesday; traitor
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To: Jeff Gordon
Do you honestly believe he would feel beholden to conservatives in any way, shape or form if we did vote for him? It would be a first.
201 posted on 02/05/2008 11:02:40 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: Caravaggio

Mccains advisor you said....

never!!! i will write in anyone, never mccain.


202 posted on 02/05/2008 11:03:05 PM PST by Texas4ever (Anything off the dollar menu :))
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To: Secret Agent Man
Thank you. One would hope that each and every one of us make our decisions with that principle in mind. I simply find it reprehensible that one throws the “traitor” label around so callously and yes with invective.
203 posted on 02/05/2008 11:04:41 PM PST by ImpBill (Greg Adams - "America ... Where are you now?" Life long conservative - no longer big "R" republican!)
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To: LaurenD

Or imagine yourself as a downed bomber pilot who got himself stabbed, then hung, then taken to Hanoi for medical procedures on a broken clavical along with a fractured skull...

Err. wait a minute, there is no need to imagine./...


204 posted on 02/05/2008 11:04:47 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: Tall_Texan

“No. The RINOs condemned us to that by choosing a candidate so repulsive to the Right that we cannot and will not vote for him. Don’t blame us. We tried to warn people this would happen and you squishies did it anyway.”

No.

WE all have to try HARDER and keep fighting.

And that means NEVER giving an inch to democrats,

yeah we can fight rinos too, but not at the expense of losing to democrats.

I will NEVER allow a democrat to win dog catcher if I can.

And if it means dealing with Rinos, then so be it,

They can be combated too. There are more elections.

But not at the expense of intentionally LOSING to a party that betrayed our troops in battle.

No way.


205 posted on 02/05/2008 11:04:51 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Secret Agent Man
"If McCain wins, you guys will be pleading and chiding us not to go after McCain when he starts pushing his liberal agenda."

He has been pushing it for years. I guess some people never wake up.

207 posted on 02/05/2008 11:04:57 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Beautifully recounted.


208 posted on 02/05/2008 11:05:17 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: bootless

In principle I agree with you about ‘what feels good’. I only said it to him because I’d rather have him vote than not vote at all. He’s already written off any candidates so he might as well write in a good conservative. He ain’t going to vote for McCain or any major candidate. Nobody will convince him to so vote for someone you admire instead of leaving it blank. I’d rather have someone vote for a conservative who won’t win versus leaving it blank.


209 posted on 02/05/2008 11:05:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Seven Minute Maniac

not a "dime’s worth of difference" other than a R of D after the name. Put down the crack pipe and prepare for a long seige.

210 posted on 02/05/2008 11:05:31 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Bob Dole could beat Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"Don’t not vote, write in a conservative you admire. Hell, write Rush in! It’ll make you feel good. Vote your conscience."

Rush isn't running for President. If you want to play games with the right to vote, then don't vote. You don't vote so that "It’ll make you feel good.", that is an immature outlook.

The nominee for the Democrat or Republican party will be president next year. That is reality.

211 posted on 02/05/2008 11:05:56 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: GregoTX
Thank you for your reasonable stance, and not being childish drama queen like those that dominate this thread. I'm not sure he can be put back on track, be he sure isnt Obama or Hillary. I'm with you on this issue.

Thanks for that. We can rant and rave and post on Bob J's drinking thread, but in the end, we have to do the right thing.

I saw John Kerry on Fox News today. Muted the sound and left the room. I couldn't bear to see his smarmy arrogance. Never again. We've seen what the CLintons are capable of. WHY would we volunteer for that? For a FEELING? How fulfilling will that be once the IEDs start going off on our roadsides because the Islamonazis know the president won't respond?

Will we still feel righteous?

I don't buy the argument that Carter got us Reagan, so therefore, Clinton or Obama will get us the next Reagan. Don't forget - Carter also got us Islamofascism that was unafraid of the USA. Clinton let it continue. It took W to slow them down. They're raring to go once W's out.

Never forget that!

Sure, get it all out now. But then we've got to get it together and keep Mrs. Clinton or BHO out of OUR White House.

212 posted on 02/05/2008 11:05:59 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: Tree of Liberty

Hillary/Obama will replace Stevens and Ginsburg and Roe V Wade will be safe for anther 10 years.

People should hold there horses until the fall, and stop acting like knee-jeck libs, to see how this plays out.


213 posted on 02/05/2008 11:06:11 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008, they have nothing else. Mark my words.)
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To: bshomoic

I agree with you. I will have to hold my nose to vote for him, but I believe as a practicing Catholic to vote pro life wherever possible. Hillary and Barrack are beyone anything that considers human life sacred. If you can’t consider life sacred, then what the heck are you good for.


214 posted on 02/05/2008 11:08:05 PM PST by LilRhody
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To: padre35

Exactly. McCain should know better. That he doesn’t speaks to his lack of mental cohesiveness.


215 posted on 02/05/2008 11:08:33 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: N3WBI3

Ah, JC Watts or Michael Steele would be good VP candidates for whoever runs for the GOP.


216 posted on 02/05/2008 11:09:05 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: ImpBill

Remember how they treat you today. If McCain wins, the same treatment awaits us when we try to stop McCain’s liberal agenda. Shut up, you’re insignificant, I’m the leader, you gotta get behind me cuz where are you gonna go? Get behind me now, early, so I can reward you with a little treat for being a good dog.


217 posted on 02/05/2008 11:09:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Seven Minute Maniac
I would rather be burned any day of the week. Burns heal. The damage that Hillary will do to this country will not.

No difference. By the time McLame is through, there will be so many illegals made legal that libs will have added 20-30 million to their voting rosters. McLame hates the conservative aspects of the Republican party and wants to castrate it...not burn it. I will vote, but probably for a third party candidate.

218 posted on 02/05/2008 11:10:05 PM PST by Zack Attack
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To: Tree of Liberty

Sign me up. I’m writing someone in.


219 posted on 02/05/2008 11:10:20 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: jvnvch

Maybe so, but she’s still a few fries short of a happy meal....I mean, that cackle that surfaces every once in awhile when she’s asked a question she doesn’t want to answer.....ick...


220 posted on 02/05/2008 11:10:40 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Tree of Liberty

McCain isn’t good on defense, he wants to close Guantanamo and doesn’t wanna secure our borders. He lies about being the only Republican for the surge, when in fact most Republicans were for it. Also, a lot Rinos who support McCain say it’s because of the war, but really they want to wipe out the Conservative movement in the Republican party for ever.
As for Iraq War there is no reason that by March of next year that they can’t defend their own country. How long does it take to train a army anyhow.
As for nuclear weapons I trust Hillary, (with all her faults), Over the Mad MacNuts any-day.

McCain scares me more than Hillary. At least we know what she represents. A “maverick” like McCain is so off the wall and unpredictable it’s kind of like living with a lunatic - you live in constant fear and trepidation of what the lunatic might decide to do next!

I last voted democratic for Jimmy Carter in 1976, But if McCain becomes nominee of the party I will vote Democrat because McCain has hurt the conservative movement more than any other Republican. Can you image what liberals ideas would become law if he became president? At least Hillary would have the Republicans in congress fighting her and not making McCain legislation go though which could kill the conservative movement for decades.

I’m a radical conservative but if McCain wins say goodbye to the Conservative movement for decades. Plus the politicians who back that phony would increase.

I have been called a troll For my hate for MACLIBERAL. I must have trolling here for 8 years. I would like to thank you Freepers who were here in 2000, and all the highs and low in between, I’m 55 years old and I’ll be a lot older before things turn around.

Thanks for Listening to my rants, so long till then. Factmart.


221 posted on 02/05/2008 11:10:40 PM PST by factmart
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To: GregoTX
"Howard Dean thanks you for the support. The democrats can not do it without you or those like you."

Sorry, but it isn't our responsibility that McCain is loathesome. It is his fault, and the voters that went for his drivel. His supporters KNEW he was going to split the party and they went for him anyway. It is their fault, and they can lie in the mud they dug themselves.

222 posted on 02/05/2008 11:10:41 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: GregoTX
Democrat or Republican party

If McCain is the nominee, they are truly, effectively the same party.

223 posted on 02/05/2008 11:10:48 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: GregoTX

And our many thanks to Ross Perot. / s


224 posted on 02/05/2008 11:11:05 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: Tree of Liberty
Thanks to true believers like you guys, we got Jimmy Carter.

You will all feel like a right bunch of a$$holes when you stay home and Hillary Clinton the unrepentant socialist is elected. McCain ain't much but he's better than anyone on the Left.

225 posted on 02/05/2008 11:11:29 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: jan in Colorado

The time was three years ago.


226 posted on 02/05/2008 11:11:59 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
And that means NEVER giving an inch to democrats,

The Democrats are going to get their mile. The question is whether we should make them take it, or whether we should elect someone who will give it to them on a silver platter?

227 posted on 02/05/2008 11:11:59 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Time for the southern red states to learn a little political lesson. The Evangelicals can vote for their Huckster, and we can NOT vote for McCain. I believe in group suffering. You take a viable candidate down, and a lot of you did it because of religious bigotry and prejudice, then we take down what’s left by not voting for him. Then we all pay the price, not just the non-Evangelicals. Payback bigtime. A quality John McInsane is well versed in. Time to make sure he’ll never be President.

I will vote Constitution Party or leave the Prez part of the ballot blank or write someone in. My disgust is larger than some of the piles of snow outside my condo. Finis. I might add, by taking McInsane down, it also takes down all of the RINO opportunists that jumped on his bandwagon, including the Huckster, Steve Forbes, Rudy Guiliani, Jack Kemp, Ted Olson (he was such a disappointment), Lindsey Grahamnesty, Michael Medved, Joe Lieberman and others. No positions for them in a Pub Admin, because there won’t be one. We can have the last laugh.


228 posted on 02/05/2008 11:12:06 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: factmart

I agree with virtually everything you stated. My only point of difference is that I will not actively vote for Clinton.


229 posted on 02/05/2008 11:12:28 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: Caravaggio
Well, I think he has miscalculated this time. The Amnesty issue alone will make me never vote for him. By us voting for him, we are telling them, nothing really matters to us but winning. What we stand for doesn't matter. McCain is a Democrat with an R next to his name. He has bought into the global warming scam so he obviously isn't very smart. On top of that, he is mean and disrespectful and I will never vote for someone I don''t respect.

If conservatives vote for him just to beat Hillery, then they are doing exactly what we have been saying the blacks have been doing with the Democrats. This entire system is broken. The Primaries are a joke. If we don't stand up and fight for something different, then the socialist takeover will be here even sooner than we think.

I do not recognize the Republican Party any more. They certainly don't represent me.

230 posted on 02/05/2008 11:12:49 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("It's easier to believe a lie one hears 1,000 times than to believe a fact that one has never heard)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

As of this day, the Republican Party is no longer worth fighting for.

We’re in for Four Years Of Hell. It doesn’t matter which party wins. We’ll get the same sh*t from McCain as we will from the Democrats - pro-illegal, pro-global warming, pro-censorship, activist judges, etc.

If we are to fight, it will be outside the Republican Party. They have decided they no longer want us and no amount of red meat from McJudas will make me change my mind about him.

It’s over.


231 posted on 02/05/2008 11:13:08 PM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: Tree of Liberty

Tonight watching the results and realizing McCain is it I did think that maybe I would hold my nose and vote for him because moderates is telling us to do so for the good of the party.

Then I started thinking of 1964 when the Conservatives nominated Berry Goldwater. Did the Moderates hold their noses and vote for the Republican? Judging from the election results they didn’t so guess what Moderates, Payback is a bitch.


232 posted on 02/05/2008 11:13:16 PM PST by Swiss
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To: jvnvch

I wouldn’t leave any ashtrays or lamps around her.


233 posted on 02/05/2008 11:13:19 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: GregoTX

I’m not being glib about it. For this particular guy, he wasn’t going to vote anyway. You’d never get that vote to count for anyone. A blank is the same thing as a write-in for this guy. I just said don’t leave it blank.

I wouldn’t suggest this to everyone. Just the people who have already decided they were going to leave it blank. They aren’t going to come back around and vote McCain. In this type of case, I think writing someone in is better than leaving it blank.


234 posted on 02/05/2008 11:13:54 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: bootless

Good point...but better late than never, right?


235 posted on 02/05/2008 11:14:00 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("It's easier to believe a lie one hears 1,000 times than to believe a fact that one has never heard)
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To: LilRhody
Vote for him then.

More YOUTUBE - McCain On Abortion (UH OH! YouTube Has a Video of Him in 1999)

McCain and Stem Cell Research Round-up

236 posted on 02/05/2008 11:14:11 PM PST by TigersEye (McCain is unfit for office. See my profile page.)
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To: blackbart.223

I mean pushing his liberal agenda as president...

Maybe I gotta stop posting, people are starting to pick pick pick at small details in my posts and ignore the bigger ideas, and it’s getting on my nerves a bit...

See y’all later.


237 posted on 02/05/2008 11:15:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Seven Minute Maniac
Just what the GOP needs, yet another immature lawyer.

It is obviously that you are, as your profile states, the future of the GOP!

238 posted on 02/05/2008 11:15:55 PM PST by ImpBill (Greg Adams - "America ... Where are you now?" Life long conservative - no longer big "R" republican!)
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To: Tree of Liberty

come on...don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. We could still get some very good supreme court nominations with McCain and with a majority of republicans in congress, we could keep him on the straight and narrow.


239 posted on 02/05/2008 11:17:04 PM PST by fabian
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To: Tree of Liberty

I won’t vote for McCain and am even considering voting for Hillary or Obama if it’s close in the general election. My wife says she won’t vote for McCain in the general election. I hate McCain more than she does. She hates Hillary more than I do(which is no small feat.)


240 posted on 02/05/2008 11:18:20 PM PST by FreedomForce
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To: bootless

Then we’d better get started. The most pressing question then, it seems to me, is “how?”


241 posted on 02/05/2008 11:18:34 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: fabian
we could keep him on the straight and narrow.

"We" haven't been very successful at that in the past (Gang of 14, for instance). Why should I think the future would be any different in that regard?

242 posted on 02/05/2008 11:19:52 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Thank you for clarifying your post, well said.

It wasn’t just your post - yours was a jumping off point for me. I’ve actually been here since 1998, but I forgot my original screen name and reregistered in 2000. Been around for a lot of stuff here. I’m glad I was on DSL and off dialup during the recount, otherwise my phone bill would have approached the national debt level.

My point is, there have been a LOT of posts of pledges to do one thing or another based on our feelings, usually frustration, anger, betrayal and rage. That’s fine. But an emotion does not require that we act on it when acting under its influence means that we do something that is not ultimately the right thing to do.

And this coming from a fairly emotional woman.

But one thing I learned in my flight training back during the mid-90s was that I could feel whatever I wanted, but if I got too high or too low, I’d have to put that emotion in my pocket and feel it when I got on the ground.

My first instructor was a Marine, and the second served in Gulf War I in choppers. I trust that advice, and it’s never gotten me into trouble. I implore my fellow Freepers to consider that advice, and do what’s right for the country - LONG TERM - when the tide of the anger has withdrawn some.

Thanks.

(Damn, those Loyalists are pissing me off! Might as well let the Redcoats have their way. They’re going to win anyway. / s)


243 posted on 02/05/2008 11:20:16 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: All

I’m worried about supreme court nominees


244 posted on 02/05/2008 11:20:33 PM PST by Nirvy
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To: Tree of Liberty
"Then we’d better get started. The most pressing question then, it seems to me, is “how?” "

First, and don't laugh, we need a name.

Federalist Party? It's an old one, but has a lot of meaning and history.

245 posted on 02/05/2008 11:20:37 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: supercat

I

Don’t

GIVE

UP.

EVER.

They will have to take it.

If it causes them pain to lose to McCain. Then I will support that.

We can deal with our rino problem.

There are a lot of wimps on this forum.

Oh I didn’t get my way? Oh I guess I’ll give up or pack up my toys and run away.

Lets build a bunker and wait it out.

Well,

EFF THAT.

I don’t care if I am the last damn person opposing liberals on this planet.

I spit my last breath at them. Stealing form Melville there. LOL

So I’ll grit my teeth, take it like a man, vote for that SOB McCain if I have to, and fight on.


246 posted on 02/05/2008 11:20:55 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Tree of Liberty
"If McCain is the nominee, they are truly, effectively the same party."

McCain is a RINO moderate, and goes liberal on several issues. Obama/Hillary are Marxists, and no one this liberal have ever taken the WH before. I disagree with probably close to half the issues McCain has, but ALL of the Obama/Hillary issues. They are evil. There are differences. They are even to the left of McCain on issues where McCain is on the left.

Look Tree, Im not trying to flame you or shout you down. You want whats best for this Country, I thing most all FReepers do. There are difference between McCain and Obama/Hillary, they are far worse.

McCain would pick moderate SCOTUS Judges, Obama/Hillary would pick Marxists.

We are in a War, who will pick better Generals, who would surrender.

One of them is pro-life. There are some differences.

Here is a harsh reality.. The nominee for the Republican or Democrat party WILL be President next year. Make your vote count.

247 posted on 02/05/2008 11:21:25 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: padre35
"Or imagine yourself as a downed bomber pilot who got himself stabbed, then hung, then taken to Hanoi for medical procedures on a broken clavical along with a fractured skull..."

No one here is questioning McCains war record. It is his judgement as a senator that is in question. Let me toss this in as well. I have two uncles that were at That The Battle Of The Bulge. Another that was a turret gunner on a B-24. One recently died. They came home from the war and went on with thier lives. They rarely talked about what happened and would never say their service qualified them to be senator much less president.

248 posted on 02/05/2008 11:21:29 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: ImpBill

“Perhaps you do as well, but to label those of us that disagree with your “party principle” as traitors is despicable.”

Hear ye, hear ye! Well stated. It still just amazes me that we are now down to one faux preacher man, one crazy man, oops, that’s two crazy men (Paul and McInsane). And the one that is going to be our candidate is the only one I could never vote for from the gitgo. Amazing.


249 posted on 02/05/2008 11:21:48 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: blackbart.223

Firing squad or electric chair.


250 posted on 02/05/2008 11:22:28 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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