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A pledge to never vote for McCain (Vanity)
February 5, 2008 | Tree of Liberty

Posted on 02/05/2008 10:11:11 PM PST by Tree of Liberty

If the unfortunate possibility of a McCain nomination comes to pass, I will not work for his election to the presidency, nor will I defend him in ad hoc conversations. He is wholly unworthy for that high office, and it is intolerable for my conscience to abide supporting him.

I will face two options once in the voting booth: 1) cast my ballot for a third party candidate, or 2) simply not vote in the presidential election.

I am curious who among you share my sentiments.


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KEYWORDS: 2008election; election; mccain; president; rino; supertuesday; traitor
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To: kidd

You make a very strong case....Thanks for your reply..


401 posted on 02/06/2008 1:43:49 PM PST by bestrongbpositive
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To: kidd
BTTT for the next page. Yes, a strong position. Just going to quote it again below:

***** If Hillary Clinton gets into office, her highest priority will be to cement her power, so that she and her chosen successors will maintain control of the Federal government. Implementation of liberal policies will come second. If Hillary Clinton gets into office, you will not see anything resembling conservatism in federal government for the remainder of your lifetime. McCain represents a four-year case of the flu, from which we can recover. You will not see a recovery from Clinton-cancer. How will she do this? Implement the Fairness Doctrine => supress conservative speech. Appoint liberal judges => ensures a liberal safety net for many years. Eliminate school choice => close homeschooling as an option and control young minds. Gun control => eliminate the possibility of an armed revolt. Use FBI files => She's done it before. Will hush any conservative leader. Socialized medicine => Once implemented will be impossible to reverse. Example: Social Security Socialism in general => It is exceedingly difficult to eliminate government services Change the rules! => Don't expect a thing like the Constitution from limiting her power grab. Reconsider. Reconsider casting an anti-Clinton vote. You won't be voting for McCain (and depending on how close the race is in your state, you may not have to)...you'll be voting against Clinton and FOR hope that the McCain nightmare will be relatively brief.

402 posted on 02/06/2008 2:13:25 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Fostering conservatism does not depend on who is in the white house!

It does when the person in the WH is the LEADER of your party.

403 posted on 02/06/2008 2:20:11 PM PST by SwankyC (McCain is the wrong man for the job.)
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To: SwankyC

“It does when the person in the WH is the LEADER of your party.”

Conservatism is not a party.

Conservatives influence, become members, press for conservative policy, etc within the repubulican party.

It exists as a political philosophy outside of any party.

Partys change. As we all know.

Conservative values do not.


404 posted on 02/06/2008 2:30:34 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Ok, think fast - as a conservative, which party do you align with? Are you purposely being obtuse?

I don't call myself a Republican and the party stinks of big gubmint weasels, but I certainly don't congregate with another party for philosophical discussions. Like it or not Republicans (and that includes the loser in the WH) speak for conservatives.

405 posted on 02/06/2008 2:36:56 PM PST by SwankyC (McCain is the wrong man for the job.)
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To: SwankyC

Yeah republicans of course, because they have embraced conservatism historically though sporadically to varying degrees.

And we can get them to do it again.

It really is up to conservatives, not republicans.

We can fix this, because I think we didnt try hard enough to back conservatives for office. I think we have been distracted by the war and democrat attacks on our troops.

We need to pick our candidates for office, not the MSM.

That is how I see it right now.

We failed. But we can fix it.


406 posted on 02/06/2008 2:41:02 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Tree of Liberty

Ah yes, a vote McCain is a vote against Clinton. How do you like your McCain sandwich? (Rush, “You’ll eat your excrement sandwich and like.”)


407 posted on 02/06/2008 3:22:06 PM PST by UpInArms (no failure, no success, only slavery)
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To: Tree of Liberty

Ah yes, a vote McCain is a vote against Clinton. How do you like your McCain sandwich? (Rush, “You’ll eat your excrement sandwich and like.”)


408 posted on 02/06/2008 3:22:10 PM PST by UpInArms (no failure, no success, only slavery)
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To: pending

I totally agree!

I can’t wait to vote against Hillary or Obama and yes that does mean more than likely voting for McCain.


409 posted on 02/06/2008 3:57:44 PM PST by jacksonstate
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To: Tree of Liberty
..who among you share my sentiments.

From 2000 through 2006, John McCain willingly provided the conservative-hating media beast with rhetoric and issues intended on embarrassing the Republican cause.

Make no mistake, McCain played a BIG part in demoralizing the Republican base in the 12 months leading up to the 2006 election.

Without McCain's efforts to destroy Republicans, the Democrats would never have swept all those close races in November of 2006.

McCain will never get my vote. I will simply not vote in the Presidential ballot.

He should be banished from leadership in the Republican party, NOT elevated to its highest most coveted position.

McCain has done more to hurt the conservative cause the past 10 years than Hillary could ever dream of.

410 posted on 02/06/2008 4:43:17 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Seven Minute Maniac

No! No. You have a DUTY to your country to do everything in your power to keep Hillary out of that office. I understand how you feel, I hate McCain too, but think of the Federal Judges that Hillary will appoint. Hillary will stack the courts with Judges that will make Ginsburg look conservative!!

Please. For the sake of your children...and your children’s children.
Yeah, but Mctrainwreck has ted and shamnesty, fiengold, closing gitmo, Terrorists represented in American courts, national healthcare to name just a few. so are we not voting in the same?


411 posted on 02/06/2008 4:48:22 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
McCain will be better on war on terror issues then them.

That is not necessarily true.

Abe Lincoln was a fabulous wartime president, yet never served in the US military.

Jimmy Carter was an awful President regarding military issues, yet Jimmy SERVED in the US Navy during WWII (?).

FDR was supposedly a good wartime President, yet he never served (could be wrong on that).

In other words, a man's military service has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they will make a good "war on terror" Commander in Chief.

412 posted on 02/06/2008 4:50:32 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

I am basing that on McCains support of the surge and war on terror and support of the troops in general.

Compared to Obama or Hillary, it is an ocean of difference.

Hilda-bama and the democrats are traitorous to me, I will never forget or forgive what they have done to our troops.

I will never vote in a way to allow them to gain the white house.

I’ll take my risks with McCain. He at least gets it on the war on islamo facism for the most part.


413 posted on 02/06/2008 5:27:51 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Compared to Obama or Hillary, it is an ocean of difference.

I thought we were talking about the Republican primary here.... NOT comparisons to the wackadoodle Democrats.

Heck, ALL the Republican candidates would be better than those two pacifists. The question is which GOP candidate is better.

My point being that McCain, just because he was a POW 35 years ago, and because he supports the surge, will not necessarily have better Commander in Chief qualities.

McCain as President would be so abrasive, so contemptuous of his subordinates, that the chain of command would quickly become disillusioned and fractured.

90% of the Senate already CAN'T STAND McCain due to his tirades and F-bomb accusations on the Senate Floor.

The older a man gets, the more cantankerous and boisterous he is....

McCain is already unstable. In two years, with all the pressures of the White House, he will become uncontrollable AND unstable.

Mark my words. You heard it here first, on Feb. 7, 2008.

414 posted on 02/07/2008 5:14:21 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Names Ash Housewares
We (conservatives) need to pick our candidates for office, not the MSM.

The MSM is not to blame.

Unfortunately, there are just as many class-warfare, anti-rich, intolerant conservative Republicans as there are Democrats, despite claims to the contrary.

How else to explain all the hate-filled comments on FR and talk radio about Romney's successful business, and about Romney's wealth, or Romney supposedly "buying" his way through the campaign, or whatever.

How else to explain all those who hate Romney for being good looking, or because his family is goody two-shoes, or because his hair is cut too nice.

Republicans are supposed to be the party that looks at the "content of one's character" --- not the color of their wallet or the denomination of their (Mormon) church.

The MSM didn't do anything to the Republican Party that we didn't do to ourselves.

415 posted on 02/07/2008 5:20:37 AM PST by Edit35
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To: jan in Colorado

Who says Hillary will be the Dem candidate?

I think Obama will win in a landslide.
He will take the indy votes, of course...the base of John McCain...(hello NH)


416 posted on 02/07/2008 6:05:51 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: jan in Colorado

Who says Hillary will be the Dem candidate?

I think Obama will win in a landslide.
He will take the indy votes, of course...the base of John McCain...(hello NH)


417 posted on 02/07/2008 6:05:58 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: Tree of Liberty

Because McCain is not healthy and could kick off.


418 posted on 02/07/2008 6:08:19 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: Tree of Liberty
As disappointed as I am with having to choose between McCain and a Dem, I will probably pull the lever for McCain. Here's why, in a nutshell:

The courts. While it's up in the air as to whether McCain would appoint conservative judges, at least it's a possibility. With some prayer and hard work, we might get some who are acceptable. With Obama or Hillary, we know what we'd get and we'd be stuck for 20+ years.

The war. He's right on that.

Spending. He's right on that.

Life. He's right on that.

On other important issues McCain is problematic.

On ALL issues, Obama and Hillary would be disastrous! I'm not into disaster so much.

419 posted on 02/07/2008 6:21:05 AM PST by poindexter
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To: technomage
Think of the judges McLame will appoint.

At least we have a shot at some moderate to conservative judges with McCain. With Hillary and Obama, we're screwed for sure.

420 posted on 02/07/2008 6:23:07 AM PST by poindexter
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To: Tree of Liberty

On all those issues McCain is wrong, but better than the alternative.


421 posted on 02/07/2008 6:25:02 AM PST by poindexter
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

I do agree, we did it to ourselves,

But the MSM is quite happy to step in and take the wheel while we were asleep.


422 posted on 02/07/2008 8:07:16 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: MitchellC
I think it all boils down to two very big problems: open primaries and an ignorant "conservative" electorate.

I agree, wholeheartedly. If I had my druthers, I would scrap the very concept of a primary and only permit caucuses (as they draw those who have at least some understanding of policy and repel those who have little taste for politics), and award all delegates proportionally.

Something also needs to be done to allow all states to have as near an equal say as possible, in terms of time. As it is now, Texas won't even matter. That's simply wrong.

423 posted on 02/07/2008 11:30:31 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: MitchellC
I think it all boils down to two very big problems: open primaries and an ignorant "conservative" electorate.

I agree, wholeheartedly. If I had my druthers, I would scrap the very concept of a primary and only permit caucuses (as they draw those who have at least some understanding of policy and repel those who have little taste for politics), and award all delegates proportionally.

Something also needs to be done to allow all states to have as near an equal say as possible, in terms of time. As it is now, Texas won't even matter. That's simply wrong.

424 posted on 02/07/2008 11:31:24 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: steveyp

I like the cut of your jib.


425 posted on 02/07/2008 11:38:46 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: ccmay

I, for one, only view a political party as a vehicle to see my conservative beliefs put into policy. When the former is no longer conducive to the latter, I owe it no allegiance.


426 posted on 02/07/2008 11:42:26 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: linn37

So it’s “Giant Douchbag vs. Turd Sandwich” for you?


427 posted on 02/07/2008 11:45:08 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: Tree of Liberty

I think your order is called the loser sandwich,with a big side of wahhhh wahhhhh and a big glass of crybaby to wash it down.


428 posted on 02/07/2008 2:28:51 PM PST by linn37 (phlebotomist on duty,its just a little pinch)
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To: linn37

Conceited much? Good luck wining over those of us who have principles, with that attitude.


429 posted on 02/07/2008 2:52:14 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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To: bestrongbpositive

McCain’s response to the Swiftboat Vets’ relating their direct memories about Kerry in Vietnam is telling. He trashed them immediately. Either he knew they were probably right and lied, or he didn’t know anything and reacted against them by reflex. The media jumped on his words to defend Kerry of course.

I think McCain reacted reflexively because of his PTSD and a vexing fear that the same sort of revelations could come out about him.

He could have just kept his mouth shut. Or he could have read the book (Unfit...) and researched it himself to give an educated response. But the resonance that he too was “Unfit for Command” rang his bell.


430 posted on 02/07/2008 10:35:05 PM PST by Poincare (Hope is nostalgia for the future.)
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To: vbmoneyspender
I’d vote for the Hillside Strangler before I’d vote for McCain.

You might get your chance, she is running as a Democrat. I'd just go 3rd party if it came to that, but I understand the sentiment.

431 posted on 02/07/2008 10:38:18 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: factmart
I'm not sure I will vote Democrat, but I agree with you in not voting for McCain. Yes, he does in fact scare me more than Hillary or Obama. With the inherent power of the Presidency a guy like McCain could be a very real danger...at home and abroad. I can't even imagine what it would be like with him working with, and compromising the constitution in partnership with Madame Pelosi and Sweet Reid.

and, besides, what true Conservative can trust him given his proven positions on critically important public policy matters?

For me, it will be a long winter of discontent with hope that the Congressional elections in 2010 might provide a push back on what will undoubtedly be a liberal agenda.

432 posted on 02/08/2008 7:40:45 PM PST by vox_freedom
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Bookmark


433 posted on 04/13/2012 2:02:24 PM PDT by Velveeta (November = ABO)
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