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MCCAIN'S STILL GOT A LONG WAY TO GO
NY Post ^ | February 6, 2008 | RYAN SAGER

Posted on 02/06/2008 11:05:13 AM PST by neverdem

FOR Republicans, the story from Super Tuesday seems to be that John McCain, while still the frontrunner, has a tremendous amount of work ahead of him uniting the Republican base before November.

Last night's early results produced no serious threat to McCain's frontrunner status. But McCain did underperform, while Mike Huckabee did better than expected.

Indeed, it may not be too much to ask whether - should both Romney and Huckabee stay in until the end - there is the chance of a Stop McCain ticket being formed by the candidates who have so far split the anti-McCain vote across the country.

So far, it's been largely the fractured nature of the race that keeps McCain in the lead.

McCain's strength, early on in the night, manifested itself most clearly in the northeast, where he racked up his first sound victories - that is, ones where he was able to break the 50-percent mark.

States like Connecticut, New Jersey, Illinois and New York gave the Arizona senator comfortable margins of victory over his nearest competitor in the region, Mitt Romney.

But these states don't represent the heart of the Republican Party - they hardly ever end up painted red on election nights these days. They may represent delegates in the primary process, but they don't tell us anything about the senator's ability to rally the base.

In the southern states, which do make up the heart of the Republican Party, McCain found himself slogging it out with Evangelical candidate Mike Huckabee last night.

As of this writing, Arkansas had been called for Huckabee (the hometown boy, by a lot), as had Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee (by smaller margins).

The results down South once again showed McCain's weakness with the base...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; mccain; supertuesday
The GOP needs a brokered convention in 2008

Arise, Ye Favorite Sons

1 posted on 02/06/2008 11:05:20 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Alice Cooper

A Long Way to Go

We still got a long way to go
We still got a long way to go
We all got a long way to go

What’s keeping us apart isn’t selfishness
What’s holding us together isn’t love
Listen to the man who’s been
touched all his life
Yes he’s the one they call the fool

Where is that savior of the sidewalk life
and the road that takes us to the crusades
I’ve seen those shadows
as they’re moving in my sleep
leading the blind poet to his grave
[ Lyrics found at www.mp3lyrics.org/mqr ]

We still got a long way to go
We still got a long way to go
Yes we all got a long way to go

Please don’t waste your
energy on me my friend
cause we still got a long way to go
we’ll meet again some day
but right now just go away
cause I still got a long way to go

The silence is speaking
so why am I weeping
I guess I love it
I love it to death

We still got a long way to go
Yes we still got a long way to go
Yes we all got a long way to go


2 posted on 02/06/2008 11:07:55 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: neverdem
But these states don't represent the heart of the Republican Party - they hardly ever end up painted red on election nights these days. They may represent delegates in the primary process, but they don't tell us anything about the senator's ability to rally the base.

another example of how the primary process is skewed.

3 posted on 02/06/2008 11:14:34 AM PST by Kennard
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To: neverdem
"In the southern states, which do make up the heart of the Republican Party"

Romney lost these states and badly. Romney has been the spoiler while accusing Huckabee of being it. Romney split the conservative vote.

I wonder how many anti-Romney votes McCain got, because people looked at the liberal north-east primaries and the MSM and assumed that Huckabee didn't have enough momentum.

4 posted on 02/06/2008 11:18:43 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

I wish the headline were true, but I strongly doubt now that McCain will NOT get a narrow (or bigger) majority of delegates by the RNC, barring some negative health news or new scandal.


5 posted on 02/06/2008 11:18:51 AM PST by pogo101
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To: neverdem
"In the southern states, which do make up the heart of the Republican Party"

Romney lost these states and badly. Romney has been the spoiler while accusing Huckabee of being it. Romney split the conservative vote.

I wonder how many anti-Romney votes McCain got, because people looked at the liberal north-east primaries and the MSM and assumed that Huckabee didn't have enough momentum.

6 posted on 02/06/2008 11:18:56 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: neverdem

McCain will make it to the White House along with all the other good Democrats Hillary and Obama invite there.


7 posted on 02/06/2008 11:19:45 AM PST by pallis
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To: DannyTN

Romney was not the spoiler in California.

Huckabee was a distant 3rd, sometimes falling behind Giuliani.

The west doesn’t like Huckabee, and the south doesn’t like Romney.


8 posted on 02/06/2008 11:22:01 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: neverdem
So far, it's been largely the fractured nature of the race that keeps McCain in the lead.

So true.....and so pathetic.

9 posted on 02/06/2008 11:25:20 AM PST by MamaLucci (Two words: Brokered Convention!)
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To: DannyTN
Romney lost these states and badly. Romney has been the spoiler while accusing Huckabee of being it. Romney split the conservative vote.

IMHO, the same argument can be said of Huey Long Huckabee. A candidate who says he doesn't believe in evolution doesn't have a snowball's chance in global warming.

The GOP needs a brokered convention in 2008

10 posted on 02/06/2008 11:29:44 AM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem

I volunteered in the election of 2006 for a RINO...only because he had an R next to him. I voted against him in the primary, but held my nose and worked to elect Chuck Crist.

I won’t be doing that this time around. The backstabbers can take a long walk on a short pier. This Recovering_Democrat won’t do it again. I left the party of liberals and I won’t break a sweat to introduce that philosophy into the Republican party.

Next primary season, I’ll be working for a CONSERVATIVE Republican.


11 posted on 02/06/2008 11:32:06 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: neverdem
"A candidate who says he doesn't believe in evolution doesn't have a snowball's chance in global warming."

You've got to be kidding. First, it's not an issue that has significant relevance to a presidential campaign. Second, even if it was, something like 77% of Republican voters and over 50% of Democrat voters reject evolution. If anything that should have been a plus for anybody but the godless left wing of the democrats.

12 posted on 02/06/2008 11:35:09 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: neverdem
A very long way in fact...


13 posted on 02/06/2008 11:41:02 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: DannyTN
something like 77% of Republican voters and over 50% of Democrat voters reject evolution.

And 40% of statistics are made up on the spot. Give me a break. If anything, I think you've got your numbers reversed.

14 posted on 02/06/2008 11:43:32 AM PST by rhombus
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To: neverdem
He does have a long way to go, and I don't see him taking so much as the first step. Here's McQueeg's version of "Uniting the base:"

Boo! Hillary!

15 posted on 02/06/2008 11:44:07 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: DannyTN

NO, huckster got 100% support from the registered snake handler crowd. :^)


16 posted on 02/06/2008 11:44:23 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: neverdem

We could get a brokered convention. That wouldn’t be a bad thing this year, but most of the delegates there would be pledged to one of the 3 rinos — McCainiac, Huckageewhiz, RomnaCoke.

They would wheel and deal and odds are we’d get a combination of one of those three.

Tragically.

Better to get a great conservative VP candidate to have a leg up to launch a run in 2012.

I’m is doubtful we can in the 2008 election with any one of these liberals.

Maybe it’s best to run a McCain/Romney ticket just to put a stake through the hearts of those 2.


17 posted on 02/06/2008 11:58:01 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: DannyTN
You've got to be kidding. First, it's not an issue that has significant relevance to a presidential campaign.

The Nation -- Mike Huckabee may not believe in evolution but he says, "I still believe in miracles."

That's the first hit from entering evolution Huckabee when searching News on Yahoo.

Second, even if it was, something like 77% of Republican voters and over 50% of Democrat voters reject evolution. If anything that should have been a plus for anybody but the godless left wing of the democrats.

Do you have a link to a national poll with those results? That could well be true in some places. There's a reason that question was asked in debates. It's not only Romney's religion that has been called into question since Huckabee decided to make it an issue. Those who insist on a literal interpretation of their Bible are also fair game.

18 posted on 02/06/2008 12:03:46 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem
while Mike Huckabee did better than expected.

Really?

his support was all from southern evangelical states - no chance of anti-Mormon votes there.

No "surprise, surprise"


19 posted on 02/06/2008 12:03:57 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: luckystarmom
Romney was not the spoiler in California.

,,, Huckabee was a distant 3rd, sometimes falling behind Giuliani. The west doesn’t like Huckabee, and the south doesn’t like Romney

'sactly...

"the south doesn’t like Romney"

the Huckster's support was all from southern evangelical states - no chance of anti-Mormon votes there. No "surprise, surprise"

20 posted on 02/06/2008 12:10:21 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: neverdem

Let me put it this way. As badly as I want the Clinton’s to exit relevance on the political scene, I want McCain’s exodus more.

They can me the ballot now and i will write in thompson’s name and not look back with regret. I will never vote for this sell out.


21 posted on 02/06/2008 12:15:36 PM PST by Soul Seeker (If Fox were part of the VRWC they wouldn’t be shilling for Rudy.)
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To: maine-iac7

This Southern Baptist from Mississippi would be there when the polls open to vote for Romney. Trouble is my primary is not until March 5th, so now it might not even be worth the drive.

Huckabee preached this past Sunday at the megachurch in Memphis, Bellevue Baptist. I visit there sometimes, and have penned a letter to the pastor, I felt that was tacky and not expect me back. It reminded me of how the Democrats go to black chuches before election day, and here we are doing such.

This bigotry is not becoming, and if Huckabee is on the ticket I can see Utah being in play.


22 posted on 02/06/2008 12:19:54 PM PST by Sybeck1 (The Big Tent Fell and Squashed the Elephant.)
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To: neverdem

One way to stop McCain: Huckabee/Romney 2008


23 posted on 02/06/2008 12:21:23 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Soul Seeker

-—”i will write in thompson’s name and not look back with regret. I will never vote for this sell out.”

I’m continually amazed at how stubborn people are in thinking somehow they’re going to “make a statement” with their throwaway vote.

These ballots are counted by an impersonal computer that doesn’t care about such “statements” and then your vote shows up buried in some obscure fraction of the vote on the screen that nobody notices on election nights.

It always pays to grit your teeth and vote for the lesser of two evils because the alternative is worse.

As a Romney fan, I would have to vote for McCain to prevent a HillBillery or a Marxist Obama getting in the White House.

Although Osama Obama is a likeable guy and will put a whole new face on America for the world to see, he thinks we can “negotiate” with terrorists and Islamofacists. His naivete and weakness will likely result in an American City being nuked under his watch. We can’t afford to let this happen.


24 posted on 02/06/2008 12:26:03 PM PST by AlanGreenSpam ("Celebrate Diversity! Look at the world with all it's problems - Isn't "diversity" so beautiful?)
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To: TLI
McCain has not yet won.

Romney and Huckabee have been governors, Romney is best qualified in the area of business and administration, he has had no personal scandals and has been faithful to his wife, etc. But McCain possesses not one single trait that would make the creepy Washington Insider - whom some compare to the Manchurian Candidate - qualified to be POTUS.

25 posted on 02/06/2008 12:28:34 PM PST by Dante3
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To: DannyTN

Huckabee’s problem is not momentum. It is that he has a liberal record on immigration, taxes, and crime, and does not have a good grasp of foreign affairs. Fred Thompson schooled him more than once during the debates.

Huckabee reminds me of the Mayor of Bug Tussle, Amos Hogg (Beverly Hillbillies). Jed and company were mightily impressed by the stolen speeches Mayor Hogg would give. Huckabee regales us with vapid, folksy stories which are supposed to pass for substance. Some might be fooled, but most are not.


26 posted on 02/06/2008 12:35:01 PM PST by CASchack
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To: luckystarmom
I agree, Romney was not the spoiler,IMO.

I have gone over and over the states each candidate won. Karl Rove did mention the states Obamha won are most likely not be in his column if he is the nominee.

After checking each candidate and the states each won,I believe Clinton and Romney are most likely to carry the states they won, But Obamha and McCain will not carry most of the states they won. Do any of you believe McCain will win NY, NJ.Ill, Or Cal? That is where most of his delegates came from.

By the same token I can see Huckabee winning the states he carried. McCain can win the blue states in the primaries but it it almost impossible to think he can win them in a general election.

Just thinking,what a choice!!!!!

27 posted on 02/06/2008 12:42:43 PM PST by frannie (Fear not tomorrow, God is already there.)
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To: CASchack
Fred Thompson schooled him more than once during the debates.

Yeah, Fred Thompson sure showed Mike Huckabee something about running for President.

28 posted on 02/06/2008 12:47:19 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: DannyTN
77% of Republican voters and over 50% of Democrat voters reject evolution.

Could you please cite your source? I find these stats highly unbelievable.

29 posted on 02/06/2008 12:50:35 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: Sybeck1

Southern pols have always prought in churches. It used to be an acceptable thing until about 20 years ago when Republican Governor Guy Hunt of Alabama passed the plate after preaching. He got in trouble over it. The RATS can do as they please. I don’t have a problem with pols making speeches wherever and taking campaign contributions as long as there is no coercion involved.


30 posted on 02/06/2008 1:02:35 PM PST by petitfour
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To: TheDon

You’re right, and I wish those two would get together for a chat and figure that out themselves. If they insist on each going it alone, I question how devoted to conservatives they are, if they let McCain get the nomination.


31 posted on 02/06/2008 1:10:57 PM PST by baa39
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To: frannie

You’re right on the republican side.

I really do think we need a brokered convention. It’s the only way to win the election this year.

I actually hope Romney and Huckabee stay in the race until the convention.

It’s just a mess.


32 posted on 02/06/2008 1:11:11 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: CASchack
Huckabee reminds me of the Mayor of Bug Tussle, Amos Hogg (Beverly Hillbillies).

Is he related to Boss Hogg from Hazard County?

33 posted on 02/06/2008 2:21:56 PM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

No, he predated Boss Hogg.

Said Jed Clampett of the Mayor, “When he gets through talkin, ya just beg to have yer taxes raised.”

It reminds me of Huckabee.


34 posted on 02/06/2008 2:34:31 PM PST by CASchack
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To: luckystarmom

Yeah....I don’t see any way to satisfy the disparate wings of the party....maybe Romney-Huckabee, with McCain as Senate Majority Leader?

It would require McCain losing some primaries....but perhaps, in his words, “supporting a cause greater than himself.”


35 posted on 02/06/2008 3:46:10 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: TLI

perhaps the words NO NO NO NO NO should not appear under romney as a style point.

It should be no’s under the democrats (mccain (D)) with yeses under Romeny with the questions rephrased.


36 posted on 02/06/2008 7:20:38 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: AlanGreenSpam
What if the situation is so badly muddled that the “lesser” is worse than the “greater”.

I hate to say this, but republicans in congress (and very likely a minority) would not be able to stand up to a Republican President that is seeking all manner of destructive bill. However, they would be able to oppose (effectively) a democrat president trying to force what is likely the exact same bill.

I know many make a great deal about some search for the next Reagan. I do not consider myself one of them, but after listening to recordings of his speeches, I wonder where is the candidate telling us about the greatness of America, about individual liberty tempered by morality, of a government that attempts to provide the utmost freedom and limits itself from the lives and property of it’s citizens? How did we wind up with these carpetbaggers?

37 posted on 02/06/2008 8:30:45 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: DannyTN

Huckabee voters are delusional.

Romney lost these states and badly.”

Romney was 4 poitns from WINNING GEORGIA. ROMNEY GOT 30%, that is excellent! except for the fact that Huck got merely 34%.
Enough with your delusion talking points.
Look at Romney in Georgia vs Huckabee outside the south,
Huckster lost these states and badly: IL, CA, NY, NJ, MA, CO, MT, AZ, MN, etc.

McCain won the moderate vote huge, that was his margin of victory everywhere. Split conservative vote, nonsplit moderate vote.


38 posted on 02/06/2008 9:30:56 PM PST by WOSG ( better a convert than a traitor - Another Conservative for Mitt!)
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To: luckystarmom

“Romney was not the spoiler in California.

Huckabee was a distant 3rd, sometimes falling behind Giuliani.

The west doesn’t like Huckabee, and the south doesn’t like Romney.”

But Romney did better *in* the south, than Huckabee did *outside* the south.
And Romney racked up much more votes total than Huckster.

Huckster needs to get out of the race. He’s the 3rd wheel on a bicycle.


39 posted on 02/06/2008 9:32:08 PM PST by WOSG ( better a convert than a traitor - Another Conservative for Mitt!)
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To: DannyTN
First, it's not an issue that has significant relevance to a presidential campaign. Second, even if it was, something like 77% of Republican voters and over 50% of Democrat voters reject evolution. If anything that should have been a plus for anybody but the godless left wing of the democrats.

I agree 100%! I flat out reject Global Warming, Evolution & Peak Oil. Rather than convey those opinions of mine to my students when they ask me about those issues, I tell them that I seriously question and group's efforts to force instantaneous and massive societal change based on scientific "theory." Global Warming and the Greenies in general have become the last safe bastion for the radical communist and globalist infiltrator. It always goes like this: We can still SAVE the planet!....BUT.... It's going to require that we all change our way of life and for the good of the whole, some of us must sacrifice some minor personal liberties....

40 posted on 02/07/2008 6:11:45 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
the candidates who have so far split the anti-McCain vote across the country
a.k.a. the pro-Hillary vote. Thanks neverdem.
41 posted on 02/07/2008 8:49:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." --Vice President Al Gore, 11/30/96)
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