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Don't underestimate McCain
Seattle Times.com ^ | February 7, 2008 | David S. Broder

Posted on 02/07/2008 5:30:10 AM PST by NCDragon

WASHINGTON — The continuing drama of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination should not diminish what John McCain has accomplished on the Republican side of this campaign.

The senator from Arizona still has to finish off the challenges from Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, but after Tuesday's victories in such key states as California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey and Missouri, and a commanding lead in delegates, the question is when, not if, he will secure the nomination.

What is more, he has emerged — despite all the negatives of the George Bush legacy — as a serious possibility to win the presidency in November.

On Super Tuesday, I placed calls to knowledgeable Republicans, Democrats and neutral observers to check their appraisals of McCain as a general-election candidate.

Arizona's Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano, who sees her home-state senator at close range, said, "He is not to be underestimated." An Obama supporter, Napolitano said McCain is "a gifted campaigner with a great life story. When everything seemed to go wrong for him last year, I told people, 'Never write John McCain off.' "

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegalimmigration; mccain; mcmexico; quislings; rinos; shamnesty; vampirebill; vampirecandidate
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1 posted on 02/07/2008 5:30:11 AM PST by NCDragon
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To: NCDragon

I don’t underestimate McCain. He’s got the nerve to have Lieberman as his running mate and make amnesty his first priority when elected.


2 posted on 02/07/2008 5:32:38 AM PST by icwhatudo (The National Right To Life founder endorsed Romney-So did the GOP's Pro-life "plank" writer.)
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To: NCDragon
I’ll never vote for the proven open borders traitor Shamnesty McCain.

No more, “drink the RINO arsenic, it’ll kill you more slowly than the ‘Rat cyanide.”

I won’t lift the cup of hemlock to my own lips with my own hands.

3 posted on 02/07/2008 5:34:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: NCDragon
but after Tuesday's victories in such key states as California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey and Missouri,

Blue states?

4 posted on 02/07/2008 5:35:17 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: NCDragon
I have a couple of lib friends that would vote for McCain over Hillary. They don't want a return to the Clinton crap.

Not sure if this sample would equate to the quality polling done by Zogby, but that's the result of my long and exhausting research.

5 posted on 02/07/2008 5:41:48 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: NCDragon
Don't underestimate McCain

I don't. He's a dangerous mental case being forced on us by the media...under the guise of a "war hero"...who are in bed with Soros, who is hell bent on destroying this country.

6 posted on 02/07/2008 5:42:45 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: NCDragon

“Don’t underestimate McCain”

Not much chance of that, I’m afraid.


7 posted on 02/07/2008 5:43:33 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: NCDragon

Broder’s a tool.


8 posted on 02/07/2008 5:45:17 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
I have a couple of lib friends that would vote for McCain over Hillary.

A couple I'm friends with told me Sunday they've always voted Democrat but were voting for McCain this time around.

The fact that McCain can draw liberals to vote for a Republican doesn't impress me.

Not one bit.

9 posted on 02/07/2008 5:46:45 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: Travis McGee
I’ll never vote for the proven open borders traitor Shamnesty McCain. No more, “drink the RINO arsenic, it’ll kill you more slowly than the ‘Rat cyanide.” I won’t lift the cup of hemlock to my own lips with my own hands.

That's exactly what you are doing if you give the election to the democrats. I hear the constant refrain that RINOs are killing the Republican Party but, IMO, it is conservatives who are to blame...we elected people like Newt, Tom Delay, Larry Craig and got paid back with embarassing scandals. We elected others and were paid back with pork barrel deficits that President Bush gladly signed...the lone two achievements of this administration and "conservatives" have been Roberts and Alito NOTHING ELSE! At least McCain gives us a chance to clean up the mess left behind--a victory in Iraq and the WOGT!

10 posted on 02/07/2008 5:46:58 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 327 and counting! <b>Vote Mitt=Get Billary!))
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To: Travis McGee
We won't, but there are plenty who will attempt to force it down our throats.


There just may be a few surprises in store for some. Starting with 2006 in spades.

11 posted on 02/07/2008 5:48:30 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: NCDragon

Chinless, of course, is the go-to guy for Republican wisdom.


12 posted on 02/07/2008 5:48:46 AM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: NCDragon
"Don't underestimate McCain"

I am not underestimating Juan McCain. He is got about a 60-70% chance of winning his home state of Arizona.


13 posted on 02/07/2008 5:51:16 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: NCDragon

Don't underestimate McCain

You mean... he's even WORSE than we think?? Yikes!
14 posted on 02/07/2008 5:51:57 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: NCDragon

McCain can actually win California, just like Arnold did. Hispanics and Asians make up a huge part of the electorate and they don’t like Obama.


15 posted on 02/07/2008 5:52:32 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: ravingnutter

Hell bent on destroying this country? Oh the drama ! LOL


16 posted on 02/07/2008 5:53:39 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: meandog

“That’s exactly what you are doing if you give the election to the democrats.”

But, they’ll prove a point...


17 posted on 02/07/2008 5:53:59 AM PST by hope (cut off nose, spite face...Maybe we'll win in 2012..bwah!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"McCain can actually win California..."

Nope. Once he has the nomination locked up, the media is going to KILL this guy. This is a huge "rope a dope" on their part.
18 posted on 02/07/2008 5:55:09 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: icwhatudo
I don’t underestimate McCain. He’s got the nerve to have Lieberman as his running mate and make amnesty his first priority when elected.

How do you know this?

19 posted on 02/07/2008 5:56:42 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: j_k_l

LOL media is going to kill him?


20 posted on 02/07/2008 5:57:41 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: Loyal Buckeye
I have a couple of lib friends that would vote for McCain over Hillary. They don't want a return to the Clinton crap.

And the more conservatives are known to hate McCain, the more those libs might think it would be an ok move.

21 posted on 02/07/2008 5:58:34 AM PST by polymuser (Just darn)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Maybe he has inside info? LOL


22 posted on 02/07/2008 5:59:06 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: j_k_l
Nope. Once he has the nomination locked up, the media is going to KILL this guy. This is a huge "rope a dope" on their part.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was a serial groper and he was elected there. White business women and Hispanics and Asians and old people who have supported Hillary will be quite inclined to support McCain over Obama. Obama is a superstar and if these voters vote against him in that kind of environment, they will vote against him in the general when his inadequacies are more of an issue.

23 posted on 02/07/2008 6:01:36 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: polymuser

I think there is an element of truth in that. He represents a legitimate alternative to those in the muddled middle.


24 posted on 02/07/2008 6:05:51 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: TinaJeannes
"LOL media is going to kill him?"

They are setting him up and once he has the Republican nomination locked up, they are going to turn on him and bury him. Everything from him ditching his first wife [the one who waited for him to come home from Vietnam] to his age, temperament.... You name it. They are going to rip this guy to shreds.
25 posted on 02/07/2008 6:06:01 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: meandog

“I hear the constant refrain that RINOs are killing the Republican Party but, IMO, it is conservatives who are to blame”

If you dislike Conservatives so much, why do you post on a conservative website?


26 posted on 02/07/2008 6:06:04 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: All
I know there's great disappointment over the apparent Republican nominee. But, before our tantrum becomes dangerous, let's remember the significant differences between Hillary (who will be the Presidential nominee) and John McCain:

She will raise taxes, he will not

She is pro abortion, he is not

She is for cut and run in Iraq, he is not

She wants to socialize medicine, he does not

She wants to add hundreds and hundreds of billions in new spending, he will not,

She wants to "fix" social security by raising taxes, he wants personal accounts

She is for appeasement with Iran, he is not

She will appoint Ginsbergs and Stevens, he will at the very least appoint more Roberts.

27 posted on 02/07/2008 6:08:26 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: meandog
At least McCain gives us a chance to clean up the mess left behind

Yeah, he'll leave another mess so big, we'll forget about the other ones. LOL!

28 posted on 02/07/2008 6:08:49 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"Arnold Schwarzenegger was a serial groper and he was elected there."

Arnold has incredible name recognition. The morons in California who voted for him probably are unaware that he was only acting in his movies and is not a Super Action Hero.

McCain is going to get THUMPED HARD.
29 posted on 02/07/2008 6:11:20 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Not saying he will definitely do these things, just that I don’t underestimate his nerve to do so based upon his past actions. He loves to stick it in the eye of conservatives.


30 posted on 02/07/2008 6:15:05 AM PST by icwhatudo (The National Right To Life founder endorsed Romney-So did the GOP's Pro-life "plank" writer.)
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To: j_k_l

are you a code pink and move on . org blogger?


31 posted on 02/07/2008 6:18:37 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: icwhatudo

“I don’t underestimate McCain. He’s got the nerve to have Lieberman as his running mate and make amnesty his first priority when elected.....”

Which is exactly what his corporate masters have planned for...


32 posted on 02/07/2008 6:20:00 AM PST by mo
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To: mo

corporate masters?


33 posted on 02/07/2008 6:20:57 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: NCDragon

I don’t underestimate him.

I think he could screw up any presidential election he’s involved with.

The big guns are turning on him now getting ready for when he’s the Nom.

Man that is a target rich environment!


34 posted on 02/07/2008 6:25:02 AM PST by ScratInTheHat
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To: TinaJeannes

“A day earlier, in Milwaukee, in front of an audience of more sympathetic businessmen, McCain had been asked how debate over the immigration bill was playing politically. “In the short term, it probably galvanizes our base,” he said. “In the long term, if you alienate the Hispanics, you’ll pay a heavy price.” Then he added, unable to help himself, “By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/03/mccain-grumbles-about-having-to-build-the-goddamned-fence/


35 posted on 02/07/2008 6:28:16 AM PST by mo
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To: NCDragon

This is a plae for unacceptable compromise. I go for a write-in.


36 posted on 02/07/2008 6:35:17 AM PST by RoadTest ( "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:" - L 12:51)
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To: j_k_l

That map it the reality of the election. The GOP has tried to cut out the conservatives and go back to a liberal party. They picked a fight.


37 posted on 02/07/2008 6:37:55 AM PST by bmwcyle (the Beltway crowd is like a bunch of women who have started menstruating together)
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To: TinaJeannes
"are you a code pink and move on . org blogger?"

Interesting, I thought it was clear that I AM NOT supporting McCain.

Must be either ignorance or a reading comprehension problem on your part.

Watch and learn. McCain has been propped up by the media because they know they can destroy him. If you disagree, you must not be either clueless or not paying attention.
38 posted on 02/07/2008 6:40:48 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: TinaJeannes
"are you a code pink and move on . org blogger?"

Interesting, I thought it was clear that I AM NOT supporting McCain.

Must be either ignorance or a reading comprehension problem on your part.

Watch and learn. McCain has been propped up by the media because they know they can destroy him. If you disagree, you must not be either clueless or not paying attention.
39 posted on 02/07/2008 6:41:47 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: NCDragon
McCain needs to wake up and smell the "VILE"!!!

"Bipartisanship" Is A Dirty Word; and RUSH: "We want to defeat them"

40 posted on 02/07/2008 6:42:31 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: NCDragon

Well I have reviewed the options for myself, if McCain is the candidate and have the following choices:
1. I can vote for McCain, Obama or Hillary, or sit this one out.
2. If I sit this one out then I’m hoping that Obama or Hillary don’t screw things up too badly, just badly enough so that a more conservative candidate can win in 2012.
3. If I vote for McCain I’m hoping he plays more to the conservative side of his party than he has in the past.

The choices are not easy. I’d rather have a reincarnation of RR, but that isn’t going to happen. I’d vote for another Bush term over any of these people. He has the right stuff even if his poll numbers are terrible and the media treats him with contempt.

I believe that McCain could beat either Democrat if he rallies all elements of the GOP. He has a better record than either Democrat for a general election.

So I say we all need to think logically and not emotionally. The presidency in times like these is too important. McCain it has to be or we have conservative chaos.


41 posted on 02/07/2008 6:43:55 AM PST by JeanLM
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To: icwhatudo

Neither do I. It’s the “at least he’s better than Hillary” croud that underestimates him.


42 posted on 02/07/2008 6:49:20 AM PST by DManA
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To: JeanLM
Maybe you don't realize how insulting that is. If you want to convince people, you should try a different tack.

So I say we all need to think logically and not emotionally.

43 posted on 02/07/2008 6:50:37 AM PST by DManA
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To: mo

LOL


44 posted on 02/07/2008 6:59:26 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: mo

He is probably right about fence tho. They will just dig more underground tunnels!


45 posted on 02/07/2008 7:01:15 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: All

check out arizona republic news on line. They are leaving arizona in large amounts because of large fines. Texas doesnt have those same laws. So they are moving there ! I cant post article in here arizona republic is one of those newspapers who don’t allow their articles copied and pasted on blogs.


46 posted on 02/07/2008 7:04:13 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: meandog

Nope. We have a better chance of stopping bills like amnesty with republicans in congress united against a real ‘rat than a turncoat RINO.


47 posted on 02/07/2008 7:11:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: hope
Yep, they will prove a point.

The point will be that Conservatives are not reliable voters and that therefore conservative issues lose, and supporters of conservative issues lose.

If you don’t want to vote for McCain, then write in/protest vote for POTUS. A split ticket speaks volumes. Staying home just says that Conservatism isn’t worth supporting because you cannot get elected because conservatives stay home unless the nominee is PERFECTLY conservative. So why run as a conservative for a lesser office if that guarantees a loss?

48 posted on 02/07/2008 7:13:30 AM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: icwhatudo

i sincerely doubt Lieberman would be his running mate. the man adds nothing to his ticket. he would need a Southern or Western Conservative Governor to brush up his credentials. If anything he may appoint Lieberman to DHS or something. If he did make Lieberman his VP that would be the stupidest thing anyone in his position could do.


49 posted on 02/07/2008 7:15:03 AM PST by DM1
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Problems with your list. McCain voted against Bush's tax cuts and against making them permanent. He didn't like Alito because he was "too conservative". I haven't heard him say squat about reigning in spending. He gets a C- rating from the GOA and his ACU ratings have been dropping like a stone since he started making his Leftward run for the Presidency.

No thanks...

50 posted on 02/07/2008 7:18:11 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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