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If you think McCain won’t be better than either one, you’re wrong
The Collins Report ^ | Feb7, 2008 | John F. Allen

Posted on 02/08/2008 5:01:34 AM PST by jmaroneps37

…..I do not like John McCain.

I like socialist women and the most liberal senator in America less, far less. Our party’s primaries have been hijacked by casual voters, liberals, moderates and even Democrats.

Our Evangelical friends have to shoulder much of the blame for giving us McCain. They have unfairly called Mormonism a cult and now all of us will suffer the consequences …I’m damned mad about this, but I can’t do anything about it. [ McCain] will be elected. America will not select either Democrat over him. Many Hillary hating Democrats will vote for McCain.

..the conservative radio talkers did all they could. They are now the de facto leaders of the conservative movement. …accept facts. Some of them insist McCain can’t win. I very much disagree.

Each conservative has to make a personal decision. We can swing wild in blind anger or carefully think things through. If you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to have been disappointed or you really haven’t lived much of a life. We don’t always get our way. If we jump wrong now, out of anger and frustration, we will insure …putting America, no our own families in danger. The danger of picking wrong at this point is history can not be over stated. …grievances against John McCain are [not] unimportant. They are very important. [but]we seem to be losing the fact that vicious Islamist terrorists want to kill us and will kill us and our children if we have the wrong Commander in Chief. ..a willingness to put aside the importance ..war against terror and make believe a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama would keep us safe from further attack is where I step off of the anti- McCain bandwagon. These three people are simply not interchangeable.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; mccain; mcmexico
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To: jmaroneps37
Sorry.

Don't vote for liberals...

PERIOD.

81 posted on 02/08/2008 6:58:12 AM PST by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: normy
RE : “Better we have a CnC who will lower our taxes and cut spending and appoint moderate to conservative judges than one who will raise taxes, raise spending and give us ultra liberal judges”

That decision was ruled out Tuesday. What if independents and pro-Israel democrats were able to split the liberal vote in the Democratic primary with two liberal candidates and put Zel Miller as democratic nominee?? Do you think the anti-war democrats (most enthusiastic supporters) who truly believe in surrender would rush to the polls for the lesser of two evils? No, Zel would completely destroy their party as president(due to ideology) , as McCain would do with Republican party. At least democrats have SOME convictions, even if they are all the wrong ones. Don't let the liberals select the head of our party!

82 posted on 02/08/2008 7:05:21 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
It's the 17.7% that lost him any chance of support from conservatives.

Yeah...we should just stay home. /s

He wasn't my first choice either.

He's pro-life (except re: stem cell research) and pro-military, and, at worst, will not make the Supreme any more liberal than it is now. That's really all we have to go on this time around. In retrospect, GWB doesn't really get many more conservative "gold stars" than McCain. And that, IMO, is the real issue that everyone is "venting" about...we wanted a pub candidate that was more conservative than GWB...we didn't get it. In reality...Thompson and Hunter were the only ones that qualified in that category, and, IMO, a vote for Mitt=another 4 years of GWB style conservatism.

At any rate...is letting Hillobama get the WH really worth it? I think not.

83 posted on 02/08/2008 7:05:25 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Game over man...GAME OVER!)
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To: normy
McCain will win because once Conservatives cool down and consider the alternatives, McCain looks good.

Wrong.


84 posted on 02/08/2008 7:10:12 AM PST by TADSLOS (Estoy Juan McCain y apruebo este mensaje!)
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To: NotchJohnson
I like to think big picture, like an adult. The scenario is having Hilary or Obama make Jimmy Carter look like Abe Lincoln. Then in 4 years we can elect anyone we choose. If we can live for 4 years by not having Al Queda detonate a nuke in a major city it may work. Short term thinking is the “McCain is our only hope” thinking.

Don't overestimate the intelligence of the American vote. The idea that 4 years of Obama/Hillary means a GOP landslide in 2012 is totally unfounded. Ronald Reagan couldn't win the states in 2008 he won in 1980. This is a different political landscape.

85 posted on 02/08/2008 7:15:11 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: rhombus

What is the use of having the white house if the occupant reaches across the aisle and does every thing the Dems want.


86 posted on 02/08/2008 7:21:19 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: DManA
We get this same argument 10 times a day now. 180 some days till the election X 10 = 1800 more times to listen to it. I could hear it 180,000 more times and the answer is still no, I won’t vote for him.

Have you thought about the possibility of 3 Supreme Court Justices retiring during the next term? Do you really want Hitlery or Obama to appoint the replacements?

87 posted on 02/08/2008 7:23:15 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

If one looks at McCain’s conservative rating for the last 10 years, it is not much different than Hillary’s record. This is the reality. The so-called 83% comes from votes taken when McCain was pretending to be a Reagan conservative.


88 posted on 02/08/2008 7:23:54 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: normy

If a sector of our party hasn’t learned anything as a result of the misguided Dole nomination -never going to get elected-then we are in bad shape.


89 posted on 02/08/2008 7:26:06 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: al_c

Yeah, I have. McCain will reach across the aisle a pick a Dem acceptable candidate. He almost didn’t vote for Roberts remember.


90 posted on 02/08/2008 7:27:25 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: melsec

G’Day, Mel! Wise words ... thanks for chiming in.


91 posted on 02/08/2008 7:29:16 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: bronxboy
McCain will reach across the aisle a pick a Dem acceptable candidate. He almost didn’t vote for Roberts remember.

And what would ObamaClinton do? And did they vote for Roberts?

92 posted on 02/08/2008 7:30:23 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: DManA
No I did not say it was unpatriotic to not vote for the man.

And 2, what I did write was not an original argument with me. As a matter of fact, I heard Savage make this case last night, and he can't stand McCains positions on some pretty significant issues..

93 posted on 02/08/2008 7:31:24 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
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To: rhombus

You know, McCain changed after Bush beat him in the GOP primary in 2000. He became embittered and exacted his revenge by screwing Republicans. He crafted McCain-Feingold in an attempt to shut conservatives up. I have no doubt he would re-enact the fairness doctrine. He doesn’t give a darn about the constitution. He didn’t consider the American people and the effect his legislation would have-only revenge. I don’t think a guy like that should be President. He is dangerous.


94 posted on 02/08/2008 7:33:10 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: al_c

They would pick a Dem acceptable candidate as well...but they are Democrats. There is no reason for a conservative to vote for McCain.


95 posted on 02/08/2008 7:34:59 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: jmaroneps37

I got a lot of heat for saying I would vote for Guiliani over Hillary! I made it a point to say I can’t stand Rudy but to hand the country to Hillary! would be a travesty.

I’m hoping McCain smartens up and gets some good conservative advisers and picks a great veep. If he picks Lieberman, I will have to look long and hard on who to vote for. We survived Carted and Bubba but they nudged the ball towards their end of the goal posts so the next one in line might be the one to push it through.

People say Mcain talked under torture, that doesn’t bother me too much, I can’t in all honesty say I wouldn’t but I would hope I would be strong enough to hang on until my information was useless. His brilliant performance at Annapolis where he came in 5th from the bottom is more worrisome.


96 posted on 02/08/2008 7:38:24 AM PST by Lx ((Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.))
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To: TADSLOS
You're right, he's not a supporter of all things military....my earliest disillusionment with the Senator was when he worked with Kerry years ago on the Vietnam MIA cases, and basically said "we give up".

But again he's some degrees better than Obama and Hillary who would be dreadful or worse.

Can you imagine either one of them as Commander in Chief?

I bet most of our military can't, while they can imagine McCain in that role.

97 posted on 02/08/2008 7:38:30 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
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To: jmaroneps37

Sorry, Mr. Allen, but this conservative is not ever again voting for a lesser degree of socialism simply because the name on the ballot is followed by “(R)”.


98 posted on 02/08/2008 7:40:05 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: jmaroneps37

The current disaffection will create low conservative turnout, with little chance to prevail in contested seats.

My concern with McCain is that the disasterous impact that his policies will have on the economey, the courts, and yes, the nation’s security!
These results will all be blamed on Republicans!
For the marginal difference between his policies and the Dem’s policies, I’d rather see the Dem’s get blamed and then end up in the wilderness, than see Republicans suffer that fate.


99 posted on 02/08/2008 7:42:05 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Our best move at this point seems to be working for a conservative congress to keep mckennedy's feet to the fire.

I have much greater faith in conservative congressmen resisting the grandiose socialism of Hillobama than keeping McCain in line.

100 posted on 02/08/2008 7:43:37 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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