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Sharia law may result in 'legal apartheid'
UK Telegraph ^ | Februari 09 2008 | Jonathan Wynne-Jones

Posted on 02/09/2008 1:42:00 PM PST by knighthawk

Senior religious leaders attack multiculturalism and sharia law today, warning that they are "disastrous", socially divisive and are destroying Britain's culture and values.

Lord Carey and Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor rebut the call of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, for Islamic law to be recognised in Britain.

Lord Carey, the former archbishop of Canterbury, said: "His acceptance of some Muslim laws within British law would be disastrous for the nation. He has overstated the case for accommodating Islamic legal codes.

"His conclusion that Britain will eventually have to concede some place in law for aspects of sharia is a view I cannot share.

"There can be no exceptions to the laws of our land which have been so painfully honed by the struggle for democracy and human rights."

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, said that the Government's promotion of multiculturalism had destroyed the unity that used to hold society together. Immigrants must "obey the laws of this country".

Writing in this newspaper, Lord Carey condemns multiculturalism as "disastrous", blames it for creating Islamic ghettos and says that Dr Williams's support for sharia law will "inevitably lead to further demands from the Muslim community".

He suggests that such a move could embolden some Muslims to try to turn Britain into a country ruled by Islamic law which, he says, contradicts principles of human rights and allows the persecution of Christians.

Their comments will come as a blow to the embattled archbishop, who is experiencing the darkest days of his six years as leader of the Anglican Church, following his claim that the adoption of certain aspects of sharia law is "unavoidable".

It also marks a deepening of the rift between Dr Williams and leading church figures over his support for Islamic law. The Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, said that it would be "simply impossible" to have two different legal systems.

Dr Williams sought to defend his comments yesterday, but is fighting to survive calls from politicians and members of his church demanding his resignation. The vast majority of the Church's ruling body believe he was wrong, a Sunday Telegraph poll shows. The survey of the General Synod found that only three per cent agreed that aspects of Islamic law should be adopted. Four per cent said he should resign, but two thirds rejected claims that he had lost credibility. A number of bishops have spoken out against the attacks on the archbishop, but a far greater number, including the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, have chosen to distance themselves from the issue.

Dr Williams argued that Muslims should not have to choose between "the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty". However, Lord Carey says the potential damage of Dr Williams's idea of incorporating sharia courts into civil law "does not bear thinking about". He says that it would be dangerous and would encourage some Muslims to try to turn Britain into an Islamic state.

The former archbishop says that accommodating sharia law would lead to further demands. "This is absolutely inevitable, since questions to do with the separation of ‘church and state' are largely new to Islam. Sharia law trumps civil law every time."

He adds: "Many Muslim interpreters of sharia believe that it supersedes secular law and assume that its ‘God-given' status would lead to the point of eventually replacing civil law."

According to Lord Carey, sharia law disadvantages women and minorities, contradicts principles of human rights and has led to the persecution of Christians in countries such as Nigeria, where churches have been burned down. Dr Williams's endorsement of "a legal marketplace in which people opt in and out based on religious affiliation opens the door to a parallel system of justice", he writes. "The question which must be asked is whether the separate systems promote harmony or continue the creation of ghettos for Muslim communities — the result of disastrous policies of multiculturalism."

The archbishop had argued that the introduction of parts of Islamic law would help improve social cohesion, but Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor joined Lord Carey in attacking this idea and urged Muslims to do more to integrate.

"The extent to which multiculturalism has been encouraged recently has meant a lessening of the kind of unity that a country needs," he told this newspaper. "There are common values which are part of the heritage of this country which should be embraced by everybody.

"I don't believe in a multi-cultural society. When people come into this country they have to obey the laws of the land." He says that sharia law clashes with British culture and stresses that the Government must act to stop the acceptance of foreign practices. Last week, this newspaper revealed that men with multiple wives had been given the go-ahead by ministers to claim extra welfare benefits.

"The laws of this country don't allow forced marriages or polygamy," Lord Carey writes. "A government and a country has a right to make sure those laws are kept."

Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, the shadow minister for community cohesion, said that setting up rival systems of law would alienate sections of society and may lead to legal apartheid.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 02/09/2008 1:42:10 PM PST by knighthawk
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2 posted on 02/09/2008 1:42:33 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk
So I guess this is what the Brits I've known meant when they droned on and on about how the UK wasn't like America, they were a more open, accepting country, and were more observant of human rights, etc. etc. etc.

The UK has gone wacky since they banned handguns.

3 posted on 02/09/2008 1:45:56 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Six SCOTUS justices will be 70 or older in January of next year.)
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To: knighthawk

Western Europe, including Britian is finished. They have lost their religions to moral relativism. If all cultures are equal who is to say which is better? In fact, by that defintion, they are all the same and must be recognized.

We’ll be there in fifteen to twenty years with Hillary’s judges leading the way.


4 posted on 02/09/2008 1:51:07 PM PST by kjo
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To: knighthawk
Sharia law may result in 'legal apartheid'

That's the object except that morons like the AB don't realize which side of the fence they'll be on.

5 posted on 02/09/2008 1:51:59 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: knighthawk

Wow. I don’t know if Wynne-Jones is making look more widespread than they actually are, but if Rowan Williams is forced to resign that would be a HUGE sign that maybe things in England aren’t as bad as we think.

It would also be a shot across the bows of that jerk Gordon Brown and his idiot ministers.

Also, I doubt whether the reaction would be so strong if Williams hadn’t made such a jerk of himself over other issues, such as homosexuality in the Church of England.

If he resigns over this, that would be amazing! I would give a lot to see it happen.


6 posted on 02/09/2008 1:53:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: knighthawk
the call of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, for Islamic law to be recognised in Britain.

When does the Archbishop decide on public policy?

7 posted on 02/09/2008 1:58:58 PM PST by John123 (Wahhabism is the best choice for anyone too stupid for scientology...)
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To: Darkwolf377

The Magna Carta is about to be shoved down the Memory Hole.


8 posted on 02/09/2008 2:26:28 PM PST by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: knighthawk

There’s no England any more
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t00PAko1KBU


9 posted on 02/09/2008 2:40:52 PM PST by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt Romney)
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To: Darkwolf377
So I guess this is what the Brits I've known meant when they droned on and on about how the UK wasn't like America, they were a more open, accepting country, and were more observant of human rights, etc. etc. etc.

What's really amazing to me is that all this "tolerance," all this "acceptance," all this "openess," does not buy them one single particle of credit from anyone. Those on the loony left, both inside Britain and outside it, still hate it with a vengence and want to see it brought low. Those not on the left are dismayed or, in some cases, amused.

Those who benefit directly from the Britains abdication of it's role as protector of western civilization, the muslims and others of their ilk, laugh at the British behind their backs and prepare the next phase of their conquest. They stock ammunition, high explosives, and other things more terrible, in their mosques and community centers.

10 posted on 02/09/2008 2:47:56 PM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: knighthawk

How can they even entertain the thought of another form of law in thier own country regardless of the ethnicities within. Insanity at an alarming level! This Muslim problem is getting on my nerves! Assimilate or get the hell out.


11 posted on 02/09/2008 2:49:41 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: knighthawk
There is an economics study kept off the screen from years ago sometime
in the 90’s. the author claims to have found that slavery is a viable system
that supports a culture.
it appears that by using women as beasts’ instead of equals props up
mohamans dictates. giving men god-like power.
green glass is what is right.
IMO
12 posted on 02/09/2008 2:50:54 PM PST by machenation ("it can't happen here" Frank Zappa)
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To: knighthawk
"Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, the shadow minister for community cohesion"

When the "conservative" opposition has such a role, the game is over already.

13 posted on 02/09/2008 3:02:21 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (I'd rather oppose a Liberal Democrat than a Liberal Republican!)
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To: knighthawk

Some sanity, at last.


14 posted on 02/09/2008 3:13:44 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: knighthawk

Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.


15 posted on 02/09/2008 3:14:52 PM PST by ought-six
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To: knighthawk

Accepting shari’a MAY lead to apartheid?

The essence of Islam is apartheid. Either you follow Islam or you are an infidel, and therefore given two choices: convert or die. Sounds like “apartness” to me. Shari’a just establishes the legal framework for Islamic apartheid.

*** the previous comment banned under Canadian law ***


16 posted on 02/09/2008 3:18:32 PM PST by redpoll
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To: knighthawk
The Archbishop of Canterbury thinks a little shari'a will bring cohesion? Can you show me that in the Bible, Archbishop? What's up with that?

How about gang rapes and honor killings of Muslim daughters? Should we just file that under other cultures' little quirks?

17 posted on 02/09/2008 3:25:17 PM PST by Sender (Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.)
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To: Darkwolf377

“The UK has gone wacky since they banned handguns”

Ding! Ding! Ding! Folks, we have a winner!

Instead of handguns, the Brits now have Muslims, surveillance cameras, and home invasions in abundance!


18 posted on 02/09/2008 4:20:06 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: knighthawk

The British should ask themselves why this is not even up for discussion here in the US?


19 posted on 02/09/2008 4:24:05 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: knighthawk

This has always been the problem with multiculturalism. It fails to recognize that some cultures demand the destruction of other cultures. Sharia law is fundamentally incompatible with a free society.


20 posted on 02/09/2008 4:34:59 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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