Skip to comments.How is it that we find ourselves in this sorry predicament? (this will probably be controversial)
Posted on 02/11/2008 12:40:30 AM PST by incindiary
I know that many people are extremely frustrated with politics these days and the current state of the Republican party. Many people are sad that their first-choice candidate dropped out, then their second-choice, and they keep having to compromise more and more until we get to the point where we feel pressured to vote for a liberal, open-borders, unconstitutional insider politician who we ordinarily would never dream of voting for. But have you asked yourself: how is it that we find ourselves in this predicament? And is there anything more to it than meets the eye? I know that anything that remotely resembles a conspiracy theory is not usually accepted on this site (by the owner and many freepers) but we're getting closer to the point of losing our republic, so I hope that in light of that, you will let this thread stay, and at least consider what is being said. I wanted to share an excerpt from a speech, by G. Edward Griffin. In this portion of the speech, he talks about what is happening in our country today, and why it is that we find ourselves feeling forced to pick a candidate that is not much different than the opponent. And the point is, until people become aware of what is happening, it is just going to continue, and get worse - because we are being willing participants in this game which is destroying not only the GOP, but our country. We are being enablers, and I think that when more people realize that, they will not allow themselves to throw all principle out the window, they will take a stand and fight to restore our values and our beloved republic. I put together a little intro in this video, and following that is the excerpt of the speech. Here's the link: Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two? It's about 5 minutes long total. Thanks and God bless!!
I know that anything that remotely resembles a conspiracy theory is not usually accepted on this site (by the owner and many freepers) but we're getting closer to the point of losing our republic, so I hope that in light of that, you will let this thread stay, and at least consider what is being said.
I wanted to share an excerpt from a speech, by G. Edward Griffin. In this portion of the speech, he talks about what is happening in our country today, and why it is that we find ourselves feeling forced to pick a candidate that is not much different than the opponent. And the point is, until people become aware of what is happening, it is just going to continue, and get worse - because we are being willing participants in this game which is destroying not only the GOP, but our country. We are being enablers, and I think that when more people realize that, they will not allow themselves to throw all principle out the window, they will take a stand and fight to restore our values and our beloved republic.
I put together a little intro in this video, and following that is the excerpt of the speech. Here's the link:
Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?
It's about 5 minutes long total.
Thanks and God bless!!
God Bless you, too!
And thanks for the post.
I blame a lot of it on open primaries. Just my NSHO.
That idiot is from Texas. I know ALL I need to know....
Ron needs to get a life.
This shadowy group of geniuses picks a bunch of ass-clowns to run for the highest office? Would you be at all surprised if any of the remaining characters appeared at an event in full clown makeup spouting gibberish and surrounded by a full road cast of Cabaret?
“We had the chance to rally behind Romney and we blew it. Nothing more to it than that.”
I voted for RP in CA
The FreeTraitors and Tin-Foil Haters at FR make it difficult, but there are other forums that are less adversarial.
Conservatives are angry right now...we have been painted into a corner and it still baffles me and others that McCain came out of nowhere....???
Them-there words sound like fight'n words so some Texans I know!
Are you sure you want to denegrate Texas in that manner?
Well, no, not really. McCain has always been a favorite of the liberal MSM, so his popularity in the MSM should not be a surprise.
How better to control them?
First, nobody said they were "geniuses" in the first place.
Second, if you were doing the selecting, would you choose someone more intelligent than yourself? IMO, probably not.
Third, please remember who you are calling "ass-clowns" here. Some folks take a rather dim view of your insuling our CIC.
Care to FReep mail me a link?
Semper Fi, sir.
They are a bunch of brain washed spoiled rotten dolts who have swallowed the self-esteem crap, and little else. They are arrogantly ignorant as a result.
Not all of them of course, but when only a fraction of citizens even participate in the political process, it doesn't take too many idiots to spoil the system.
All these years of poor education, broken families, reduced interest in Church etc. have finally come home to roost.
RP friendly and informative
Semper Fi back at you
It isn't conspiracy or secrecy, even. A list can be made.. Just like Clinton, they can disclose their identity knowing full well only a few will understand.
If something is done, they must approve it. What Ron Paul stands for is anathema to them. It's like throwing holy water on Satan. (forgive the analogy) A free America?? A free press?? Where's the power and money in that?
Another man said "a house divided against itself will fall." Americans are divided, but the puppet masters causing this division are one.
Don’t be a prat and a simpleton. I am not “insuling” the CIC. If you could read, you would see “run” for office. Is the CIC running for office? Buy a clue. By the way, while you seem to be a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, I don’t buy the paranoia induced stupidity that inspired this thread.
Ever hear of Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or Bush? All CIC's as I recall.
"Buy a clue."
I've not only bought clues, but I have actually read them, too!
Semper Fi back at you"
Thank you, sir!
I'm a U.S. Marine father, not having served myself, I always salute the Marines here.
I think you effectively talked us out of it.
Not endowed with patience and tolerance myself, I choose not to be around youngsters like that unless I can't help it.
I am a Texan. Therefore, I can criticize that fool, Ron Paul, anytime I wish.
HE is the idiot. Not Texans. (just the Texans that vote for him).............
The cost of all those new entitlement leeches will rival the cost of Glowbull Warming "fixes" too.
We need to do everything we can to put a bulwark of conservatives in office but it’s going to take some hard core grassroots action to stop Shamnesty. I’m afraid Glowbull Warming is too well accepted by the sheeple to see any uprising against it. Maybe that fitty cent a gal. tax hike will raise some ire but I have my doubts.
They have "scientists" to explain any seeming discrepancies in the theory.
I share you fears.
As an aside; I agree with not voting for RINOs but I don't see why you would vote for Democrats. Apart from deciding who holds office votes are used as opinion polls. Vote 3rd party or write in for the most conservative choice and let that speak for you. Just MNHO
Propaganda is difficult to fight. It can be molded to sound just about as good as they want it to. The truth can only be told ‘as it is.’ The truth is a lot harder to sugar coat.
So far this "criticism" of yours doesn't seem to be anything more than name calling. Care to present a substantive refutation of one or more of his views, or is that all you've got?
Why do all the trees in Minnesota lean south?... cuz Iowa sucks...
That's what I will be doing, here in Citrus County, Fl.
The bottom line is that McCain and his ilk be defeated, and the RHINO Republican Party be forced to realign towards the right, or conservatives hamper their very existance in any way we can.
I'll vote for "all of the above."
Yep, that is the one thing that gives peace (to believers, anyway) that we do know, ultimately, how the story ends. But I don't think God intended for us to throw in the towel and allow crooks to be elected, just because we know in the end He will prevail. IMO, I still think God wants us to stand up for truth and justice and not throw our principles out by supporting a "lesser evil."
I don’t care to waste my time. His “views” and conspiracy theories are well known. He is a nutcase. When the GOP needs unity, we get a kook from my state to further divide the party.......
Yea...a liberal or a nutcase like Ron Paul. Great Choices.
Ford competes with GM, Toyota, and Mercedes. In some ways it's going to differentiate itself from them, but in other ways it can't help making and selling a similar product (personal transportation).
So while the management has a good deal of freedom, it's constrained by consumer demand and the market. It has to pay attention to what people want and what they're willing to pay for it.
With both parties appealing to the consumer it may look like we have a "one party system," but that's because we have to work within existing constraints and appeal to what the voters want. They end up appealing more to the middle, rather than the edges.
If you want to figure things out, look at what voters want and what they're indignant about and look at the competititon of parties and factions to win over those voters. If you just say, "They don't want our wonderful product" or "We're not pounding the pavement enough to make sales" you may be missing something.
Agreed, but in this case, we have a bunch of lemmings being told to buy an AMC Gremlin, the best car ever built. They are being told the car can fly, swim, cook and clean house... and they are falling for it hook, line and sinker. None took the time to look at maintenance records or reliability reports, they just listen to the salesman, and none will admit to their mistake after they find out it can’t fly and strands them continuously while costing large dollars in maintenance and repairs. They will just keep buying them without realizing reality.
Wake up and smell the new world order people.
It's the same as with my personal health. Even though I am certain that my mortal existence will end within the next few decades, I still do more with each passing day to keep my mortal body alive and healthy.
In each case, it's not the destination, but the journey. In each case, it's about living our lives as free and vigorous men, to the best of our abilities, so long as we are able to act.
And in each case, we live on in our deeds and vision, long past our mortal demise.
I doubt that the Athenians of 2500 years ago could have envisioned how their ideas of liberty would still be alive, standing astride history like a Colossus, 2500 years later, in the hearts and dreams of billions of humans around the world.
Nor can we know now in what way, 2500 years hence, the Statue of Liberty will beacon future souls to liberty, across the oceans.
Perhaps this gives us a key to understanding what is good in Ron Paul, and what is fatally flawed with him.
One of the negative points on Ron Paul that I hear from my favorite radio talk show hosts is that, while Ron himself has not endorsed the druggies or skin heads that are attracted to him, still he has not adequately denounced them.
Perhaps this gives us more keys to understanding.
Ron Paul seems to follow the ideas of Ayn Rand. But these ideas, and Ron Paul, have been discredited as kookie, because additional ideas, that are markers for kookiness, have attached themselves to Ayn Rand's original objectivism.
It resembles how the body attaches markers to hostile foreign proteins, so that other cells, the 'enforcers' know what to kill or isolate.
Whether it be the notion of "isolationism", which Ron Paul does endorse, or "free drugs" or "anti-Semitism" or "New World Order conspiracies", which I don't recall Ron Paul speaking to as much, in each case a "kooky" idea has attached itself to the philosophy of objectivism, marking it as alien, to be rejected.
It's just how the main stream body politic is protecting itself from ideas it finds too threatening.
The end result is that a minority find some, even most, of Ron Paul's ideas to be very attractive, while the majority rejects him as a kook, because of one or more of the kooky ideas which he endorses (isolationism) or with which his supporters are associated.
I've seen some of it now (before it jammed up on my computer).
I used to think that the world was the way it is because of a conspiracy the politicians were all in cahoots about.
But people do disagree. They take all kinds of crazy positions and opinions. And they get together to promote what they believe. It only looks like a conspiracy when you disagree with them.
Politicians of the same era in the same country who deal with the same issues and problems and institutions (and the same contributors) are bound to look more similar than different if you look at them from far enough away.
So I doubt it's all Cecil Rhodes's fault. The man loved the British Empire. And now it's gone. If the conspiracy were that effective, how did Rhodesia become Zimbabwe or Mugabia or whatever it is today?