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How is it that we find ourselves in this sorry predicament? (this will probably be controversial)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVodI85NLMQ ^ | 2/11/08 | lily

Posted on 02/11/2008 12:40:30 AM PST by incindiary

I know that many people are extremely frustrated with politics these days and the current state of the Republican party. Many people are sad that their first-choice candidate dropped out, then their second-choice, and they keep having to compromise more and more until we get to the point where we feel pressured to vote for a liberal, open-borders, unconstitutional insider politician who we ordinarily would never dream of voting for. But have you asked yourself: how is it that we find ourselves in this predicament? And is there anything more to it than meets the eye?

I know that anything that remotely resembles a conspiracy theory is not usually accepted on this site (by the owner and many freepers) but we're getting closer to the point of losing our republic, so I hope that in light of that, you will let this thread stay, and at least consider what is being said.

I wanted to share an excerpt from a speech, by G. Edward Griffin. In this portion of the speech, he talks about what is happening in our country today, and why it is that we find ourselves feeling forced to pick a candidate that is not much different than the opponent. And the point is, until people become aware of what is happening, it is just going to continue, and get worse - because we are being willing participants in this game which is destroying not only the GOP, but our country. We are being enablers, and I think that when more people realize that, they will not allow themselves to throw all principle out the window, they will take a stand and fight to restore our values and our beloved republic.

I put together a little intro in this video, and following that is the excerpt of the speech. Here's the link:

Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?

It's about 5 minutes long total.

Thanks and God bless!!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: incindiary
"Thanks and God bless!!"

God Bless you, too!

And thanks for the post.

51 posted on 02/11/2008 6:02:28 AM PST by Designer (When "leaving it to chance" is not an option.)
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To: incindiary
how is it that we find ourselves in this predicament?

I blame a lot of it on open primaries. Just my NSHO.

52 posted on 02/11/2008 6:15:27 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Designer

That idiot is from Texas. I know ALL I need to know....
Ron needs to get a life.


53 posted on 02/11/2008 6:25:12 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: incindiary
the parties are controlled by a group

This shadowy group of geniuses picks a bunch of ass-clowns to run for the highest office? Would you be at all surprised if any of the remaining characters appeared at an event in full clown makeup spouting gibberish and surrounded by a full road cast of Cabaret?

54 posted on 02/11/2008 6:25:58 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Dragonspirit

“We had the chance to rally behind Romney and we blew it. Nothing more to it than that.”

Well said.


55 posted on 02/11/2008 6:29:58 AM PST by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Designer

I voted for RP in CA

The FreeTraitors and Tin-Foil Haters at FR make it difficult, but there are other forums that are less adversarial.

Conservatives are angry right now...we have been painted into a corner and it still baffles me and others that McCain came out of nowhere....???


56 posted on 02/11/2008 6:37:14 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: TexConfederate1861
"That idiot is from Texas. I know ALL I need to know...."

Them-there words sound like fight'n words so some Texans I know!

Are you sure you want to denegrate Texas in that manner?

57 posted on 02/11/2008 7:00:55 AM PST by Designer (When "leaving it to chance" is not an option.)
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To: Halgr
"..it still baffles me and others that McCain came out of nowhere....???"

Well, no, not really. McCain has always been a favorite of the liberal MSM, so his popularity in the MSM should not be a surprise.

58 posted on 02/11/2008 7:04:07 AM PST by Designer (When "leaving it to chance" is not an option.)
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To: Stentor
"This shadowy group of geniuses picks a bunch of ass-clowns to run for the highest office?"

How better to control them?

First, nobody said they were "geniuses" in the first place.

Second, if you were doing the selecting, would you choose someone more intelligent than yourself? IMO, probably not.

Third, please remember who you are calling "ass-clowns" here. Some folks take a rather dim view of your insuling our CIC.

59 posted on 02/11/2008 7:09:38 AM PST by Designer (When "leaving it to chance" is not an option.)
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To: Halgr
"..there are other forums that are less adversarial."

Care to FReep mail me a link?

Semper Fi, sir.

60 posted on 02/11/2008 7:12:25 AM PST by Designer (When "leaving it to chance" is not an option.)
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To: incindiary
I'm telling all of you. If you haven't spent anytime around middle schoolers or high schoolers recently, volunteer sometime and go where they are.

They are a bunch of brain washed spoiled rotten dolts who have swallowed the self-esteem crap, and little else. They are arrogantly ignorant as a result.

Not all of them of course, but when only a fraction of citizens even participate in the political process, it doesn't take too many idiots to spoil the system.

All these years of poor education, broken families, reduced interest in Church etc. have finally come home to roost.

61 posted on 02/11/2008 7:16:26 AM PST by lawnguy (The wand chooses the wizard, Mr. Potter.)
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To: Designer

http://goldismoney.info/forums/index.php

RP friendly and informative

Semper Fi back at you

;-)


62 posted on 02/11/2008 7:26:04 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: TigersEye
Amnesty and Global Warming are the keys to bringing about a point of no return.
Amnesty, maybe ... but without question, Global Warming is the "stealth bomber" communists will use to drive us into ruin.
It's the same MO as the Islamic fanatics using the "religion of peace" to silently invade a country.
BTW, I truly believe that one day, should the US go so far loony-left, the US military will have to overthrow the government to restore the Constitution.
63 posted on 02/11/2008 7:28:11 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: incindiary
Thanks for the post.

It isn't conspiracy or secrecy, even. A list can be made.. Just like Clinton, they can disclose their identity knowing full well only a few will understand.

If something is done, they must approve it. What Ron Paul stands for is anathema to them. It's like throwing holy water on Satan. (forgive the analogy) A free America?? A free press?? Where's the power and money in that?

Another man said "a house divided against itself will fall." Americans are divided, but the puppet masters causing this division are one.

64 posted on 02/11/2008 7:29:39 AM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: Designer

Don’t be a prat and a simpleton. I am not “insuling” the CIC. If you could read, you would see “run” for office. Is the CIC running for office? Buy a clue. By the way, while you seem to be a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, I don’t buy the paranoia induced stupidity that inspired this thread.


65 posted on 02/11/2008 7:47:20 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Stentor
"I am not “insuling” the CIC. If you could read, you would see “run” for office. Is the CIC running for office?"

Ever hear of Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, or Bush? All CIC's as I recall.

"Buy a clue."

I've not only bought clues, but I have actually read them, too!

66 posted on 02/11/2008 8:16:19 AM PST by Designer
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To: Halgr
"RP friendly and informative

Semper Fi back at you"

Thank you, sir!

I'm a U.S. Marine father, not having served myself, I always salute the Marines here.

67 posted on 02/11/2008 8:19:54 AM PST by Designer
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To: lawnguy
"middle schoolers or high schoolers recently, volunteer sometime and go where they are. They are a bunch of brain washed spoiled rotten dolts who have swallowed the self-esteem crap, and little else. They are arrogantly ignorant as a result."

I think you effectively talked us out of it.

Not endowed with patience and tolerance myself, I choose not to be around youngsters like that unless I can't help it.

68 posted on 02/11/2008 8:24:05 AM PST by Designer
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To: Designer

I am a Texan. Therefore, I can criticize that fool, Ron Paul, anytime I wish.

HE is the idiot. Not Texans. (just the Texans that vote for him).............


69 posted on 02/11/2008 9:03:10 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: oh8eleven
The reason I include Amnesty is because I see 10 million plus new Dem voters as plenty to tip elections for the forseeable future. Especially when you consider that they can then bring all their extended family members in and make them citizens. If the Dems can win virtually every office unopposed they can start radically changing the law across the board. All they will need is the thinnest PC cover to justify their changes.

The cost of all those new entitlement leeches will rival the cost of Glowbull Warming "fixes" too.

70 posted on 02/11/2008 11:33:17 AM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: G.Mason

We need to do everything we can to put a bulwark of conservatives in office but it’s going to take some hard core grassroots action to stop Shamnesty. I’m afraid Glowbull Warming is too well accepted by the sheeple to see any uprising against it. Maybe that fitty cent a gal. tax hike will raise some ire but I have my doubts.


71 posted on 02/11/2008 11:54:12 AM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I'm afraid that wouldn't stop or even slow down the political aspects of Glowbull Warming strategy. Since that isn't actually about doing anything substantive about the climate they can shift gears quickly without stripping any teeth in the gear box. The main objective is to institute a central global taxing authority.

They have "scientists" to explain any seeming discrepancies in the theory.

72 posted on 02/11/2008 12:03:17 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: TigersEye

I share you fears.


73 posted on 02/11/2008 12:11:14 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: FunkyZero
This is a long read but it really is a very well considered explanation of why liberals hate our country. And yes they do hate our country and this speech explains exactly why.

As an aside; I agree with not voting for RINOs but I don't see why you would vote for Democrats. Apart from deciding who holds office votes are used as opinion polls. Vote 3rd party or write in for the most conservative choice and let that speak for you. Just MNHO

74 posted on 02/11/2008 12:13:56 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Propaganda is difficult to fight. It can be molded to sound just about as good as they want it to. The truth can only be told ‘as it is.’ The truth is a lot harder to sugar coat.


75 posted on 02/11/2008 12:26:33 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: endthematrix
Excerpt: "Remember, seeds planted in 1972 will pay off not only this year, but in 1974 and 1976. If we do not build a large counter-revolutionary base in 1972 the ball game will be lost by 1976."
76 posted on 02/11/2008 12:26:58 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: TexConfederate1861
I am a Texan. Therefore, I can criticize that fool, Ron Paul, anytime I wish.

So far this "criticism" of yours doesn't seem to be anything more than name calling. Care to present a substantive refutation of one or more of his views, or is that all you've got?

77 posted on 02/11/2008 12:43:19 PM PST by MadameAxe (An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. ~ Victor Hugo)
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To: Moral Hazard
It’s called Iowa, and it sucks.

Why do all the trees in Minnesota lean south?... cuz Iowa sucks...

78 posted on 02/11/2008 1:09:14 PM PST by g'nad
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To: TigersEye
" We need to do everything we can to put a bulwark of conservatives in office ..."


That's what I will be doing, here in Citrus County, Fl.


The bottom line is that McCain and his ilk be defeated, and the RHINO Republican Party be forced to realign towards the right, or conservatives hamper their very existance in any way we can.

79 posted on 02/11/2008 1:24:36 PM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: incindiary

http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/0730b.htm


80 posted on 02/11/2008 2:20:07 PM PST by sushiman
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To: G.Mason
The bottom line is that McCain and his ilk be defeated, and the RHINO Republican Party be forced to realign towards the right, or conservatives hamper their very existance in any way we can.

I'll vote for "all of the above."

81 posted on 02/11/2008 3:34:39 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: Gator113
Reg post #21 -Thanks. I didn't mention that because the main point was not Ron Paul, it's the message of what Griffin was saying - that the two parties have been hijacked, which is why there is little difference between the two. In the video, I put his name at the end, to let anyone out there know (who's interested) that he is one of the only, if not THE only candidate who is not CFR. That's why he has been ignored/downplayed/smeared by the establishment and MSM.
82 posted on 02/11/2008 3:37:21 PM PST by incindiary
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To: TigersEye
I agree. It seems there are two factions of one bigger group, so there is 'competition', as you said. But the important point is that they both are selling us out and are taking us away from what this country is supposed to be, to something entirely different, and something that will be very bad news for everyone.
83 posted on 02/11/2008 3:42:44 PM PST by incindiary
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To: restornu
Do I think our choices as they are now worrisome yes I do but God has promise the opposition will NOT win in the scheme of things!

Yep, that is the one thing that gives peace (to believers, anyway) that we do know, ultimately, how the story ends. But I don't think God intended for us to throw in the towel and allow crooks to be elected, just because we know in the end He will prevail. IMO, I still think God wants us to stand up for truth and justice and not throw our principles out by supporting a "lesser evil."

84 posted on 02/11/2008 3:47:09 PM PST by incindiary
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To: MadameAxe

I don’t care to waste my time. His “views” and conspiracy theories are well known. He is a nutcase. When the GOP needs unity, we get a kook from my state to further divide the party.......

Yea...a liberal or a nutcase like Ron Paul. Great Choices.
SARCASM.


85 posted on 02/11/2008 4:03:02 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Dragonspirit
I'm sorry, I can't agree with you on Mitt. He's on their side, and for that reason alone I could never support him. (although I have numerous other reasons as well)



The co-chair of Romney's campaign in in New York is William Weld, who co-chaired the Independent Task Force on North America under the Council on Foreign Relations, which is studying the integration of the USA, Canada, and Mexico. Take a look.

86 posted on 02/11/2008 4:05:33 PM PST by incindiary
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To: Rum Tum Tugger; rollo tomasi
The question in the title was more of a rhetorical question. I didn't know what to title it, but I was hoping people would watch the video and give their thoughts on what is being said in the video. I don't know if you watched it or not.
87 posted on 02/11/2008 4:20:59 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: incindiary
Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?

Ford competes with GM, Toyota, and Mercedes. In some ways it's going to differentiate itself from them, but in other ways it can't help making and selling a similar product (personal transportation).

So while the management has a good deal of freedom, it's constrained by consumer demand and the market. It has to pay attention to what people want and what they're willing to pay for it.

With both parties appealing to the consumer it may look like we have a "one party system," but that's because we have to work within existing constraints and appeal to what the voters want. They end up appealing more to the middle, rather than the edges.

If you want to figure things out, look at what voters want and what they're indignant about and look at the competititon of parties and factions to win over those voters. If you just say, "They don't want our wonderful product" or "We're not pounding the pavement enough to make sales" you may be missing something.

88 posted on 02/11/2008 4:35:31 PM PST by x
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To: TigersEye
If the Dems can win virtually every office unopposed they can start radically changing the law across the board.
They can try, but so did FDR and his NRA was eventually found to be unconstitutional. If that fails we call out the Marines.
89 posted on 02/11/2008 4:39:47 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: x

Agreed, but in this case, we have a bunch of lemmings being told to buy an AMC Gremlin, the best car ever built. They are being told the car can fly, swim, cook and clean house... and they are falling for it hook, line and sinker. None took the time to look at maintenance records or reliability reports, they just listen to the salesman, and none will admit to their mistake after they find out it can’t fly and strands them continuously while costing large dollars in maintenance and repairs. They will just keep buying them without realizing reality.


90 posted on 02/11/2008 4:44:33 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: x
Did you watch the video?
91 posted on 02/11/2008 4:45:14 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: ovrtaxt
Reg post #41 - Thank you. I'm glad there are a few people here who agree with me. lol! Btw, I think Quigley was just one of many, there are others of his ilk who are just as harmful.

And yes, it's my video. (the speech in its entirety is on YouTube though, I just took a portion of it for this video)

92 posted on 02/11/2008 4:49:37 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Reg post #45 - Very good post, thanks. I don't know if I agree with you that it's impossible to put a stop to it now. Part of me agrees with you, but the other part of me doesn't want to just give up without doing everything possible to fight to save this country. lol
93 posted on 02/11/2008 4:54:46 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: incindiary
Excellent video.

Wake up and smell the new world order people.

94 posted on 02/11/2008 4:58:45 PM PST by murphE (I refuse to choose evil, even if it is the lesser of two.)
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To: ARridgerunner
Thank you, ARridgerunner. Great post (#64) I love this: "What Ron Paul stands for is anathema to them. It's like throwing holy water on Satan." lol... so true. heheh
95 posted on 02/11/2008 9:19:17 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: sushiman
Hi, thanks for the link. That word probably causes people to roll their eyes (sounds too conspiratorial, lol) but I'll take a look at that page.
96 posted on 02/11/2008 9:21:55 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: murphE
Thank you, murphE! Yep, I really feel that at this point even if we can't stop the traitors who have hijacked this country, we can at least bring awareness to those who still don't get it... It's when people are uninformed that bad things end up happening. (there's a famous quote that says the same thing, but I can't think of the exact words at the moment)
97 posted on 02/11/2008 9:28:29 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: incindiary
Even though I am pessimistic in the sense that I consider a return to tyranny to be inevitable, I do more, each passing day, to fight to save this country.

It's the same as with my personal health. Even though I am certain that my mortal existence will end within the next few decades, I still do more with each passing day to keep my mortal body alive and healthy.

In each case, it's not the destination, but the journey. In each case, it's about living our lives as free and vigorous men, to the best of our abilities, so long as we are able to act.

And in each case, we live on in our deeds and vision, long past our mortal demise.

I doubt that the Athenians of 2500 years ago could have envisioned how their ideas of liberty would still be alive, standing astride history like a Colossus, 2500 years later, in the hearts and dreams of billions of humans around the world.

Nor can we know now in what way, 2500 years hence, the Statue of Liberty will beacon future souls to liberty, across the oceans.

98 posted on 02/11/2008 9:56:18 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: incindiary
I've just started reading Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Somewhere, I don't recall where now, I read that (part of?) the movement that followed her became very isolationist, which was not part of her original objectivism.

Perhaps this gives us a key to understanding what is good in Ron Paul, and what is fatally flawed with him.

One of the negative points on Ron Paul that I hear from my favorite radio talk show hosts is that, while Ron himself has not endorsed the druggies or skin heads that are attracted to him, still he has not adequately denounced them.

Perhaps this gives us more keys to understanding.

Ron Paul seems to follow the ideas of Ayn Rand. But these ideas, and Ron Paul, have been discredited as kookie, because additional ideas, that are markers for kookiness, have attached themselves to Ayn Rand's original objectivism.

It resembles how the body attaches markers to hostile foreign proteins, so that other cells, the 'enforcers' know what to kill or isolate.

Whether it be the notion of "isolationism", which Ron Paul does endorse, or "free drugs" or "anti-Semitism" or "New World Order conspiracies", which I don't recall Ron Paul speaking to as much, in each case a "kooky" idea has attached itself to the philosophy of objectivism, marking it as alien, to be rejected.

It's just how the main stream body politic is protecting itself from ideas it finds too threatening.

The end result is that a minority find some, even most, of Ron Paul's ideas to be very attractive, while the majority rejects him as a kook, because of one or more of the kooky ideas which he endorses (isolationism) or with which his supporters are associated.

99 posted on 02/11/2008 10:29:46 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: incindiary
Did you watch the video?

I've seen some of it now (before it jammed up on my computer).

I used to think that the world was the way it is because of a conspiracy the politicians were all in cahoots about.

But people do disagree. They take all kinds of crazy positions and opinions. And they get together to promote what they believe. It only looks like a conspiracy when you disagree with them.

Politicians of the same era in the same country who deal with the same issues and problems and institutions (and the same contributors) are bound to look more similar than different if you look at them from far enough away.

So I doubt it's all Cecil Rhodes's fault. The man loved the British Empire. And now it's gone. If the conspiracy were that effective, how did Rhodesia become Zimbabwe or Mugabia or whatever it is today?

100 posted on 02/12/2008 1:48:44 PM PST by x
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