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Rendell: Race Factor Could Hurt Obama [Democrat Governor of Pennsylvania, of course.]
AP by way of Google ^ | 12FEB08 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/12/2008 5:27:28 PM PST by familyop

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Gov. Ed Rendell, one of Hillary Rodham Clinton's most visible supporters, said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival Barack Obama because he is black.

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in Tuesday's paper.

To buttress his point, Rendell cited his 2006 re-election campaign, in which he defeated Republican challenger Lynn Swann, the former Pittsburgh Steelers star, by a margin of more than 60 percent to less than 40 percent.

"I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann been the identical candidate that he was — well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking — but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so," he said. "And that (attitude) exists. But on the other hand, that is counterbalanced by Obama's ability to bring new voters into the electoral pool."

Rendell, chairman of the Democratic National Committee in 2000 and previously Philadelphia's mayor, endorsed Clinton on Jan. 23.

Pennsylvania holds its primary April 22.

Several figures in Clinton's campaign, including her husband, the former president, have been criticized in recent weeks for raising Obama's race. In response, Bill Clinton has said he will stick to promoting his wife, rather than defending her.

Later Tuesday, Rendell's spokesman said the governor did not mean to offend anyone.

"He was simply making an observation about the unfortunate nature of some parts of American society," said spokesman Chuck Ardo. "He wasn't being critical, he wasn't making accusations, but just being realistic."


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: clinton; clintonhatesblacks; obama; pa2008; pennsylvania; racewar; rendell
Let's see the whole thing with a clearer headline--not only an excerpt.


1 posted on 02/12/2008 5:27:35 PM PST by familyop
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To: familyop

Congrats, Ed. You probably just ended the last chance for your candidate and handed it to the black man you are trying to vilify with the voters.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 5:29:28 PM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: familyop
Is there any democrat hack who's not speaking with a Tom McCann in teeth?

They're all being outed for exactly what they are. It's cool!

3 posted on 02/12/2008 5:33:39 PM PST by blackdog
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To: familyop
“He was simply making an observation about the unfortunate nature of some parts of American society,” said spokesman Chuck Ardo. He wasn't being critical, he wasn't making accusations, but just being realistic. I love this liberal Governor explaining the voting patterns of other people. How presumptuous he is to say that about even one Voter. Realistic by whose standards?
4 posted on 02/12/2008 5:35:17 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: mortal19440

Hard day at the office for you Chuck Ardo? Get used to it.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 5:37:26 PM PST by blackdog
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To: familyop

“Gov. Ed Rendell, one of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s most visible supporters, said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival Barack Obama because he is black.”

Not NEARLY as many as those who will vote for him because he is black.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 5:47:22 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: L98Fiero

Does this mean that Philadelphia won’t have their usual 104% voter turnout with 103% voting for the dem candidate and the other 1% puking on their ballot rendering it unreadable?


7 posted on 02/12/2008 6:02:29 PM PST by marlon
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To: familyop

What a piece of cr*p my Governor is. He won thanks to a huge democratic machine and massive voter fraud in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. This was the first time run for Lynn Swann, but it may not be the last. Race had nothing to do with his loss; not even the few points he suggested.


8 posted on 02/12/2008 6:02:34 PM PST by jdsteel (proud member of "Mothers And Children Against Criminal Aliens")
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To: familyop
...there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate...

Why does anyone not believe this?

Is everyone so bent on being so politically correct that they refuse to see the truth of the remark?

I think Fast Eddie is an idiot, but he hit the nail on the head on this.

There are vast numbers of white men, in Georgia, Alabama, South and North Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc, that will not vote for a black man.

And don't think I'm saying it's just a "southern" thing.

Those same white men live in Illinois, New York, Michigan, Delaware, etc.

I've said this from the start, since Obama appeared on the scene.

If he is not elected, it will be only because the racist white voter outnumbered the racist black voter.

And before anyone jumps me and accuses me of racism for that remark, just keep in mind that a great number of blacks will vote for Obama for the single reason that he is black. And is that not the ultimate racism?

So those that have climbed on a PC horse, excoriating Fast Eddie...those folks are a bit full of it.

In this case, he's absolutely right.

Whether you like it or not.

9 posted on 02/12/2008 6:03:26 PM PST by OldSmaj (Death to islam. I am now and will always be, a sworn enemy of all things muslim.)
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To: L98Fiero
"Not NEARLY as many as those who will vote for him because he is black."

And not nearly as many of those who will vote for him for that reason, as those who will vote for him to stop Hillary and her swing-voting constituents.
10 posted on 02/12/2008 6:04:56 PM PST by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop
Link to video of Rendell’s comments:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08041/855971-192.stm

11 posted on 02/12/2008 6:05:19 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: familyop
The essence of the Democrap Party shows again through one of its most racist leaders:

THE POLITICS OF FEAR, DIVISION, AND HATRED!

12 posted on 02/12/2008 6:07:46 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: OldSmaj

Your notions of people’s bigotry are outdated and obsolete for the most part. Sure there are some exceptions, but we are not the racist pockets the media likes to shout about and the democrat party does it’s best to keep sorted into the right sale barn.


13 posted on 02/12/2008 6:10:59 PM PST by blackdog
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To: familyop

I’m one of “those” whites who decisively and proudly pulled the lever for Swannie and I’d do it again if he was the GOP nominee. He’s a good man and had good policies, but you can’t fight the Rendell and Casey machines in PA. Just ask Santorum about the Casey machine.

Rendell has just called the people of PA racists. I resent it and I hope enough other people resent it to give the state overwhelmingly to Obama, just to stick it to Rendell.

With supporters like Rendell, Clinton doesn’t need enemies.


14 posted on 02/12/2008 6:17:15 PM PST by randita (Do not trust any polls!)
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To: familyop

Why is no one ever mentioning that there are millions of blacks who would vote for a black, but not a white, which is the OJ Jury Effect, in my book?


15 posted on 02/12/2008 6:20:07 PM PST by traditional1
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To: familyop

Fast Eddie didn’t mind getting the “racist vote” when he beat Swann


16 posted on 02/12/2008 6:20:38 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: familyop
I read a comment by Susan Estrich that had the same tone - watch out fellow Dems, people in the general election will not vote for Obama in the Fall because he is black - so you had better support Hillary. I think it is a rather ugly insinuation of rampant racism. Personally, I won’t vote for a Democrat because of abortion issues - which has nothing to do with race.
17 posted on 02/12/2008 6:22:29 PM PST by MassRepublican
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To: familyop
"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Ed is getting old and confused. "Conservative whites", at least those with an IQ above room temperature, are typically Republicans who won't be voting Democrat no matter who they run.

18 posted on 02/12/2008 6:25:25 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: familyop
Ed to PA Citizens: You're a bunch of racists. Thanks for your vote.
19 posted on 02/12/2008 6:31:00 PM PST by capydick ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid".)
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To: traditional1
"Why is no one ever mentioning that there are millions of blacks who would vote for a black, but not a white, which is the OJ Jury Effect, in my book?"

All of the black folks in my area voted for President Bush. The Neo-Nazis and their feminist women voted for Gore, then Kerry.

;-)
20 posted on 02/12/2008 6:35:42 PM PST by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: traditional1
This sounds a little bit familiar....

Remember the New York Mayoral election where Giuliani beat that piece-of-crap racist incumbent David Dinkins?

We were told then by the usual race-pimps (Sharpton, Jackson, etc.) that Dinkins only lost because of racism, because white racists were not willing to vote for someone of a different skin color from their own.

It turned out that the pimps were correct - sort of. The numbers revealed that whites were split about 60-40 for Rudy. But blacks voted over 90% against the candidate whose skin color was different from their own.

So remind me again, Rev-rund Al & Chezzie Chackson, who are the true racists? You know, the ones who fit your own description of "racism" so well?

I can't heeeear you.....

21 posted on 02/12/2008 6:43:18 PM PST by PermaRag
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To: marlon

No. The sleazebag Rendell will crank out his Democrap machine no matter who is the nominee. They need his machine and will reward him accordingly.


22 posted on 02/12/2008 6:44:41 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: OldSmaj
If he is not elected, it will be only because the racist white voter outnumbered the racist black voter.

He will not be elected because he has accomplished NOTHING in his life!

23 posted on 02/12/2008 6:48:34 PM PST by ErieGeno
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To: familyop
"All of the black folks in my area voted for President Bush"

And with a black candidate, vs. any white candidate, which way would they be voting?

24 posted on 02/12/2008 6:51:42 PM PST by traditional1
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To: traditional1
..."a black candidate, vs. any white candidate?"

Well, they're older veterans and their families. They'd probably vote for Duncan Hunter, if he were still running. Now, some of them will probably vote against Hillary and the rest for McCain.

There was a little humor in my response, though. This is a remote area. We're all rednecks in a general sense, regardless of color. There are rednecks for Hillary, and there are rednecks against Hillary. Most of the rednecks against Hillary are veterans (probably except one white woman, who was an officer and is also a contractor), lower income men and young people. Most of the rednecks in favor of Hillary here are school teachers, other government employees, lawyers, older woman business managers, drug addicts, and the like.
25 posted on 02/12/2008 8:33:49 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: traditional1

Oh...and some white, retired women. They seem to favor Hillary quite a bit.


26 posted on 02/12/2008 8:34:50 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: OldSmaj
...there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate...

Why does anyone not believe this?

Of course you are right. That's the main reason the 'rats haven't elevated their black toadies to positions of power. I expect this will be a factor also in Ohio, where the 'rat party is thick with a) rural poorly educated hillbillies and b) blue collar union thugs who resent affirmative action-type programs while they watch their fat union jobs and bennies melt away.

I don't know much about PA but I expect the "firewall" to work for Clinton in Ohio.

27 posted on 02/12/2008 8:44:28 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: familyop

If you don’t vote for Obama, you’re a racist. How original.


28 posted on 02/12/2008 9:10:38 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: familyop
"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette...Meanwhile here in the People's Democratic Republic of New Jersey, the wife of a connected 'rat politician in one of the big counties right across the river from Rendell's Pennsylvania remarks to my wife "If that N word wins he'll appoint all his N word friends to big jobs to run things and we'll be done for" - Rendell knows his tolerant, diversity-loving party very well - lots of olde tyme 'rats will never pull the lever for Obama - of course, when Obama loses it will be the 'pubs who'll be blamed and called racists, but Fast Eddie will know different......
29 posted on 02/12/2008 9:25:38 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: traditional1
My point is that we're not happy with the nominee in our Party, and there's still a lot of time between now and the general election. Matters important to most of us haven't been addressed, yet.

Why Republicans Will Lose in 2008
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1969426/posts

Why Republicans Will Lose in 2008, Part II
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1969429/posts

The most influential constituents wanted to give us the choice between McCain and Hillary. But they're getting what they asked for.

The problem came from the 19th Amendment--not the 15th.




How Dramatically Did Women's Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government?

JOHN R. LOTT Jr.
American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (download links for whole document at bottom of page)

September 1998

University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law & Economics Working Paper No. 60
Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 107, Number 6, Part 1, pp. 1163-1198, December 1999

Abstract:
This paper examines the growth of government during this century as a result of giving women the right to vote. Using cross-sectional time-series data for 1870 to 1940, we examine state government expenditures and revenue as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives, and these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise. Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s, and it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.


30 posted on 02/12/2008 9:33:15 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: OldSmaj

I agree with you 100%.

I had a southern roomate in the army who was a hardcore democrat—I never understood why—he was the most conservative redneck I ever met, but some family affiliation thing made him a hardcore dem.

All I can say though is he would never ever ever ever vote for a black man, and certainly a muslim black man for president. bottom line.


31 posted on 02/13/2008 1:21:29 AM PST by Jaysin
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To: familyop
"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in Tuesday's paper.

Read: Core Democrats, like the types who fought along side of Al Gore's father and Democrat Senator and KKK Grand Dragon Robert Byrd against the civil rights act. The same people who would have my wife and children drinking from a separate water fountain and sitting in the back of the bus. Yes... Democrats...

32 posted on 02/13/2008 1:45:23 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: traditional1

“And with a black candidate, vs. any white candidate, which way would they be voting?”

The answer to that question are in the results of the Dem primaries. The white vote is split between Obama and Hillary and the black vote is solidly Obama, over 90% in some areas.

The real truth is, in a “black vs. white” race, far higher percentages of whites will vote for the black candidate than vice versa.

The fact that most blacks (I feel comfortable calling 80-90% of those who voted “most”) will vote strictly on racial lines when given the opportunity is applauded. The expectation of the relatively few whites to do the same is considered racist.


33 posted on 02/13/2008 6:07:47 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: PermaRag

> blacks voted over 90% against the candidate whose skin color was different from their own.

They voted 97% for Dinkins and Dinkins got 98% of the black vote when he beat Giuliani four years earlier.


34 posted on 02/13/2008 10:45:53 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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