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Executions May Be Carried Out at Gitmo (lethal injections)
AP via NewsMax ^ | Feb. 12, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 02/12/2008 5:33:22 PM PST by jdm

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- If six suspected terrorists are sentenced to death at Guantanamo Bay for the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. Army regulations that were quietly amended two years ago open the possibility of execution by lethal injection at the military base in Cuba, experts said Tuesday.

Any executions would probably add to international outrage over Guantanamo, since capital punishment is banned in 130 countries, including the 27-nation European Union.

Conducting the executions on U.S. soil could open the way for the detainees' lawyers to go to U.S. courts to fight the death sentences. But the updated regulations make it possible for the executions to be carried out at Guantanamo.

David Sheldon, an attorney and former member of the Navy's legal corps, said an execution chamber at Guantanamo would be largely beyond the reach of U.S. courts.

"I think that's the administration's idea, to try to use Guantanamo as a base to not be under the umbrella of the federal district courts," he said. "If one is detained in North Carolina or South Carolina in a Navy brig, one could conceivably file a petition of habeus corpus and because of where they're located, invoke the jurisdiction of a federal court."

The condemned men could even be buried at Guantanamo. A Muslim section of the cemetery at Guantanamo has been dedicated by an Islamic cultural adviser, said Bruce Lloyd, spokesman for the Guantanamo Naval Station. Among those buried elsewhere at the cemetery are U.S. servicemen.

When two Saudis and a Yemeni committed suicide at Guantanamo in 2006, military officers said the men could be buried at the cemetery, but the remains were instead sent back to their homelands.

Up until recently, experts on military law said, it was understood that military regulations required executions to be carried out by lethal injection at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas.

But in January 2006, the Army changed its procedures for military executions, allowing "other locations" to be used. The new regulations say that only the president can approve an execution and that the secretary of the Army will authorize the location.

"Military executions will be by lethal injection," the regulations say.

The last U.S. military execution was in 1961, when President Kennedy signed off on the hanging of Army Pfc. John A. Bennett for the rape and attempted murder of an 11-year-old Austrian girl.

Brig. Gen. Thomas W. Hartmann refused to discuss details on executions when he announced Monday the Pentagon was charging the six Guantanamo detainees and seeking the death penalty.

"We are a long way from determining the details of the death penalty, and when that time comes ... we will follow the law at that time and the procedures that are in place," Hartmann said.

Eugene Fidell, a Washington defense attorney and expert on military law, said Guantanamo Bay could be an execution site, but added that the U.S. would face an international outcry.

"It would be highly controversial because a lot of the world simply doesn't believe in the death penalty any more," Fidell said.

The Bush administration has instructed U.S. diplomats abroad to defend its decision to seek the death penalty for the six men by recalling the executions of Nazi war criminals after World War II.

A four-page cable sent to U.S. embassies and obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press says that execution as punishment for extreme violations of the laws of war is internationally accepted.

The cable points to the 1945-46 Nuremberg war crimes trials in Germany. Twelve of Adolf Hitler's senior aides were sentenced to death at the trials, though not all were executed in the end.

No death chamber is known to exist at Guantanamo, but Scott Silliman, a former Air Force lawyer and who is now a Duke University professor, said the military may decide to build one there. The 2006 Army regulations also call for a viewing room to the death chamber, where at least two news media representatives would be witnesses.

The trial for the six detainees is still months away. And given the slow pace of the military commissions at Guantanamo Bay, verdicts are unlikely before President Bush leaves office next January.

The accused include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of Sept. 11; Mohammed al-Qahtani, whom officials have labeled the 20th hijacker; and Waleed bin Attash, who investigators say selected and trained some of the 19 hijackers.

Many support the use of the death penalty for men blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks.

"If these guys are found guilty, I can't think of any other case more appropriate for the death penalty," said Charles "Cully" Stimson, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. "An overwhelming majority of Americans support the death penalty."

Michael Khambatta of the International Committee of the Red Cross said his organization would approve the death penalty only when there are "procedural and judicial guarantees that meet international standards."

Khambatta, who is the deputy head of the ICRC's Washington delegation, declined to comment publicly on whether the ICRC considers the U.S. war-crimes trials fair.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Cuba; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; deathsentence; executions; gitmo; terrortrials
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1 posted on 02/12/2008 5:33:25 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

The sooner the better.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 5:35:13 PM PST by Redbob (WWJBD: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: jdm; tiggs

Get ‘Em Out by Friday...


3 posted on 02/12/2008 5:35:25 PM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: jdm

The must be brought to Ground Zero in NYC and hanged from a scaffold in public view.


4 posted on 02/12/2008 5:35:33 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: jdm

Pity. I was hoping for some good old fashion hangings.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 5:35:51 PM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm
Any executions would probably add to international outrage over Guantanamo, since capital punishment is banned in 130 countries, including the 27-nation European Union.

Is flying a passenger jet into a 100-story office building banned in 130 countries?

6 posted on 02/12/2008 5:36:50 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: DogandPonyShow

That would be nice. Hadn’t thought of that.


7 posted on 02/12/2008 5:37:11 PM PST by jdm (You must have cookies enabled to log-in.)
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To: DogandPonyShow

I’d pay to watch that.


8 posted on 02/12/2008 5:38:48 PM PST by Redgirl (In vino, veritas)
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To: MNJohnnie

Hang-’em from the 86th story of the Empire State Building. Use an 85-story rope. Or an 87-story rope.


9 posted on 02/12/2008 5:39:17 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: jdm
Eugene Fidell, a Washington defense attorney and expert on military law, said Guantanamo Bay could be an execution site, but added that the U.S. would face an international outcry.

I always get a laugh out of these liberal scumbags who constantly about worry what the international "community" thinks.

10 posted on 02/12/2008 5:39:56 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jdm

Sorta lacks the charm of a good old fashioned firing squad


11 posted on 02/12/2008 5:40:00 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: jdm

Tall Tree/Short Rope and the precedings should be televised as per Nuremberg or the Japanese Trials, or at least filmed.

6 weeks for an appeal, make it Omnibus, and let’s move forward on that ASAP.


12 posted on 02/12/2008 5:42:26 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: jdm

The MOONBATS are going to go BATSHIAT INSANE!


13 posted on 02/12/2008 5:42:32 PM PST by Scarchin (Anyone but Hillary or Huckabee)
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To: jdm

They ran out of bullets?


14 posted on 02/12/2008 5:44:36 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: jdm
The trial for the six detainees is still months away. And given the slow pace of the military commissions at Guantanamo Bay, verdicts are unlikely before President Bush leaves office next January.

We need to ask all the candidates if they support the death penalty for these scum.

15 posted on 02/12/2008 5:44:54 PM PST by umgud
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To: MNJohnnie

At Nuremburg, the remains of the Nazi criminals were photographed, creamated and scattered by air at an undisclosed location to prevent their graves from becomming a shrine. Gitmo should follow the same protocol, right down to the (probably purposely) botched hangings.


16 posted on 02/12/2008 5:45:30 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: jdm

In the mean time, it should be fun watching the terrorist sympathizers pop out and show their liberal colors. Mike Farrell, for instance. I’m sure cop killers and other mass murders are not his only soft sides.


17 posted on 02/12/2008 5:45:43 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: jdm

“the possibility of execution by lethal injection at the military base in Cuba,... “

Lard?


18 posted on 02/12/2008 5:47:05 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: jdm
I hope they get that out on the Internet.
19 posted on 02/12/2008 5:48:24 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Huckabee: ‘I Majored In Miracles’)
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To: jdm

Oh please, can they waterboard them first. lol


20 posted on 02/12/2008 5:50:39 PM PST by sweetiepiezer
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To: Lancey Howard

What is the legal means of execution in Cuba? After all, Guantanamo is still Cuban territory we lease.


21 posted on 02/12/2008 5:50:56 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: Vigilanteman

I prefer taking them half way home and letting them swim the rest of the way. If the weather is good and the water warm, they should make to shore about.... never.


22 posted on 02/12/2008 5:52:43 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

That’d do it, heated (of course) to say, 180 degrees.

Or Drano. Drano mixed with mercury and maybe a big ol’ serving of ground-up Jimmy Dean Hot sausage patties.

Hell, I can think of at least a dozen hilarious things to inject into those buggers that’d be guaranteed to be lethal.

Like molen steel.


23 posted on 02/12/2008 5:52:45 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: jdm
Bu...bu...but, they were just practicing their religion of peace/s
24 posted on 02/12/2008 5:53:06 PM PST by PROCON (Dems=You can Fool Some of the People all of the Time--Abraham Lincoln)
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"*molen steel."
Sorry, should have been spelled "Molten steel".
25 posted on 02/12/2008 5:54:09 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: GAB-1955
What is the legal means of execution in Cuba?

Good question. With Castro it could be anything, but it probably starts with torture (real, not "waterboarding") and ends with a laughing executioner.

26 posted on 02/12/2008 6:01:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Is flying a passenger jet into a 100-story office building banned in 130 countries?

Apparently not.

27 posted on 02/12/2008 6:02:53 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: jdm

I never understood this lethal injection stuff...

“We’re gonna kill ya but....
we don’t want to hurt ya!”


28 posted on 02/12/2008 6:06:03 PM PST by djf (I think McCain deserves a chance. After all, he is on R side!)
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To: jdm

29 posted on 02/12/2008 6:12:43 PM PST by robomatik (Wine plug: RenascentVineyards.com (Riesling, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot))
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To: DogandPonyShow

Eggxactly, DogandPonyShow!

NO LETHAL INJECTION FOR THESE MURDERING ISLAMIC BASTARDS!! First, hang them in the public square. Then hang them upside down with pigsfeet and snouts hanging from their bloated torsos. Then, as a finishing touch, allow any Americans wishing to urinate on the bastards’ carcasses as they hang there and show this to the Islamic world—WE PISS ON YOU!! YOU’RE NEXT!!

In case anyone thinks this is overdoing it, you may recall that’s precisely what was done to Mussolini and his son in law as Italy fell.


30 posted on 02/12/2008 6:18:20 PM PST by levotb
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To: muir_redwoods
Sorta lacks the charm of a good old fashioned firing squad

Nah. Celebrate diversity. Decapitation with a dull sword.

31 posted on 02/12/2008 6:19:36 PM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: muir_redwoods

George Washington wouldn’t let Major Andre face the firing squad as he requested. He was a spy and was hanged accordingly. These terrorists deserve less.


32 posted on 02/12/2008 6:21:00 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: E. Cartman

Stake ‘em out and let the sows get ‘em.


33 posted on 02/12/2008 6:24:55 PM PST by Nakota
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To: jdm
How long has it been? KSM was captured almost five years ago.

This sort of thing used to be handled much more expeditiously, even under Democrat administrations. Remember Operation Pastorius? Two groups of four Krauts arrived in Long Island and Florida by U-boat on June 12 and 15 1942 with explosives and money. The Long Island group was spotted, and the FBI was looking all over for them. Then a couple of the group turned themselves in, the others were rounded up, a military court convicted them, the Supreme Court reviewed the case, and the switch was thrown on six of them on August 8th. Less than two months!

Oh, and the fried Krauts were buried in a potters field in Anacostia. Which brings up the question of how to dispose of the bodies in the current case. We should make sure their remains do not lead parades in Pakistan. Grind 'em up and feed them to pigs!

34 posted on 02/12/2008 6:26:09 PM PST by cynwoody (ss)
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To: MNJohnnie
"Pity. I was hoping for some good old fashion hangings."

Nooses are being banned in America because they are offensive. President Bush denounced them earlier today.

35 posted on 02/12/2008 6:27:00 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't do anything you wouldn't want to explain to the paramedics!)
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To: Lancey Howard
What is the legal means of execution in Cuba?
Good question. With Castro it could be anything, but it probably starts with torture


You mean the condemned have to listen to all of the speeches that Castro ever gave since he seized power in '59?

Ye gawds!
36 posted on 02/12/2008 6:28:10 PM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: jdm

Kill ‘em and throw them in the pig sty at Deadwood.


37 posted on 02/12/2008 6:28:24 PM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: jdm

Awe, lethal injections? Why not beheadings? They seem to prefer that method in the Middle East anyway!!!!!


38 posted on 02/12/2008 6:28:37 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: DogandPonyShow
The must be brought to Ground Zero in NYC and hanged from a scaffold in public view.

I was thinking about all those poor, hungry sharks in the waters off Cuba.

39 posted on 02/12/2008 6:28:58 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: jdm
The plain and simple truth is that the US Government does not have the stones to execute these bastards.

Oh the Clintons can kill a bunch of little kids in Texas, but foreign nationals engaged in political activism? Forget about it.

It is absolutely shameful what has been happening in this nation since the Democrats usurped power surreptitiously back in 1963.

40 posted on 02/12/2008 6:32:06 PM PST by Radix (I do not want to press one for English.)
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To: DogandPonyShow
The must be brought to Ground Zero in NYC and hanged from a scaffold in public view.

There's no way I want these war criminals getting some measure of the leniency afforded to American citizens (or anybody who touches foot on our sacred soil), but if they do pay-per-view at Madison Square Garden of the executions, I'm damn sure going to buy a ticket!

41 posted on 02/12/2008 6:32:41 PM PST by hunter112 (Our best hope is for a compromise candidate from a brokered convention.)
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To: jdm

Can we do them all at once? I think we need to clear some space for all the ones the surge is gathering up.


42 posted on 02/12/2008 6:33:42 PM PST by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Nooses are being banned in America because they are offensive

Gitmo is in Cuba. A noose hanged on a dorm room door or a school playground should be denounced as offensive by all Americans.

43 posted on 02/12/2008 6:36:32 PM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm

Hmmm, I wonder if any of them, in the finest tradition of American trash about to be executed, will turn to the families of their victims and offer apologies? Its always such a nice last touch. </sarcasm>


44 posted on 02/12/2008 6:46:06 PM PST by RushLake (Democrats/MSM have never met a terrorist they didn't like.)
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To: ALPAPilot
George Washington wouldn’t let Major Andre face the firing squad as he requested. He was a spy and was hanged accordingly.

That question also came up at Nuremberg. The defendants thought being shot was a more dignified way to die. But ultimately the job went to Master Sergeant John C. Woods, 43, of San Antonio, an experienced hangman. Ten men in 103 minutes (Goering got a hold of some cyanide and did himself in a few hours before he was scheduled to hang).

45 posted on 02/12/2008 6:47:08 PM PST by cynwoody (ss)
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To: Vigilanteman

I read a story that the Nuremburg hangman purposely placed the knot so that those trash actually took a long period to strangle to death, rather than having their necks snap at the end of the fall. A nice touch. It would be nice if he were available to handle the islimic trash in such a manner.


46 posted on 02/12/2008 6:50:14 PM PST by RushLake (Democrats/MSM have never met a terrorist they didn't like.)
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To: jdm
Any executions would probably add to international outrage over Guantanamo, since capital punishment is banned in 130 countries, including the 27-nation European Union.

DILSWGAS

47 posted on 02/12/2008 6:50:57 PM PST by pfflier
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To: DogandPonyShow; SW6906

Hanging is too humane. Put the bastards into a CH-47 and hover it over Ground Zero at the altitude of the height of the WTC and push them out one by one. They need to know what it was like for their victims.


48 posted on 02/12/2008 7:03:37 PM PST by namsman
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To: namsman

Not bad. Set ‘em on fire first perhaps?


49 posted on 02/12/2008 7:11:37 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Agree. Medicine and bullets are expensive. Rope can be reused.


50 posted on 02/12/2008 7:12:39 PM PST by sig226 (If we took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy.)
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