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Unspinning Karl Rove's pro-McCain math (vanity)
February 13, 2008 | Kurt Evans

Posted on 02/13/2008 12:04:20 AM PST by Kurt Evans

There'll be 2,380 total delegates selected for the national convention, and a candidate will need the votes of 1,191 of them to win the nomination. If no candidate secures that number of votes during the primaries, the nominee will be determined at the convention.

According to CNN's estimates, McCain has 812 of 1331 delegates committed so far and therefore needs 379 of the remaining 1049 (36.1 percent) to secure the nomination.

According to the AP's estimates, he has 821 of 1364 committed so far and needs 370 of the remaining 1016 (36.4 percent).

According to ABC's estimates, he has 819 of 1362 committed so far and needs 372 of the remaining 1018 (36.5 percent).

According to RCP's estimates, he has 797 of 1336 committed so far and needs 394 of the remaining 1044 (37.7 percent).

This means Governor Huckabee only needs about 64 percent of the remaining delegates to force an open convention. Winning 64 percent of the delegates doesn't require winning 64 percent of the votes, since the states generally weight their allocations of delegates disproportionately in favor of the winner.

I don't believe McCain can beat Obama, and I'm not sure America would be better off in the long run if he did. I believe wise conservatives will use any ethical means at their disposal to drive McCain out of the race.

There's plenty of time to turn this thing around. Real conservatives aren't quitters.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; anyonebutmccain; barackobama; delegatemath; delegates; elections; gop; huckabee; johnmccain; karlrove; liberal; liberalvalues; mccain; mikehuckabee; openconvention; rino
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It is hilarious reading “ McCain can’t beat Obama.”

If that is so, it applies a hundred fold to Huck.

He can’t win a single electoral vote outside the South and maybe a few border states.

And he would not sweep the South either.

And he would hurt candidates down the ticket as well.

21 posted on 02/13/2008 12:33:05 AM PST by Reaganez
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To: libbylu

“huck needs 950 of the remaining 1015 votes.”

He can win far fewer delegates and still force an open convention.


22 posted on 02/13/2008 12:34:02 AM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Kurt Evans

Huckabee wouldn’t be the nominee out of a brokered convention.

Most likely McCain would still be the nominee, but with a VP choice forced up on him.


23 posted on 02/13/2008 12:35:44 AM PST by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is a catastrophe.)
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To: babygene

I think I’d have to agree. Scary.


24 posted on 02/13/2008 12:37:36 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Kurt Evans

As I see it, you need to drink less and get out more.


25 posted on 02/13/2008 12:38:12 AM PST by Steve_Stifler
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To: Kurt Evans
Anyone who thinks that Huckabee has a chance at this stage, is praying for a miracle. Let’s say, I would not put money on such a long shot. And, with the stakes so high, I would not be gambling too much. The DemonRATs have communism ready to spring on this Nation if we don’t play our cards right.

Let’s get real. McCain is going to be our nominee. Let’s put the frosting on the cake and make the best of it.

Cake anyone?

26 posted on 02/13/2008 12:38:46 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: Kurt Evans

My math says Ross Perot can win


27 posted on 02/13/2008 12:39:36 AM PST by woofie
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To: kingu

“And the Huckster never proposed lowering taxes or reducing the size of the Arkansas state government, merely expanding it and increasing taxes ...”

The Cato Institute disagrees:

“Perhaps no current governor has been elevated to the statehouse under stranger circumstances. Huckabee, a Baptist minister, was elected lieutenant governor in 1994. Two and a half years later, Clinton’s heir, Jim Guy Tucker, was convicted of a felony as a result of the Whitewater investigation and was immediately removed from office. In the midst of those tumultuous events, Huckabee became the first Republican governor of Arkansas in recent memory.

“Upon taking office in July 1996, Huckabee immediately backed a 1/8-cent sales tax hike to fund the Games and Fishing Commission and the Department of Parks and Tourism. The voters enacted that hike as a constitutional amendment in November 1996. In his first budget, however, he redeemed himself by proposing a sweeping overhaul of Arkansas’s archaic income tax system. The $80 million tax cut package was enacted in 1997 and became the first broad-based state tax cut in more than 20 years. It increased the standard deduction, eliminated the income tax ‘marriage penalty,’ and indexed the state tax brackets for inflation.”


29 posted on 02/13/2008 12:43:10 AM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Terpfen

“I don’t need copy-pasted form replies, thank you.”

For the record, I wrote that myself.


30 posted on 02/13/2008 12:45:52 AM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Kurt Evans

Lipstick on a pig - those reforms were well on their way to maturity in the inherited budget that Huckabee had when he took office. Again, no sale.


31 posted on 02/13/2008 12:47:24 AM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Koschei

“That disproves the statement?”

No, but it supports my assertion that the statement is absurd.


32 posted on 02/13/2008 12:47:24 AM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Terpfen

“Most likely McCain would still be the nominee, but with a VP choice forced up on him.”

If McCain fails to close the deal after holding his current lead in the delegate count, I don’t believe he’s going to be nominated in an open convention.


33 posted on 02/13/2008 12:52:18 AM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Kurt Evans

Hah. Quoting Dobson somehow supports your claim that it is absurd to think that Huckabee would get drubbed in November?

Oooookay. Sorry to break it to you, but it does no such thing.

Dobson decrees and the nation follows, eh? Perhaps in your little kingdom of delusion.


34 posted on 02/13/2008 12:57:46 AM PST by Koschei
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To: Kurt Evans

Huckabee does seem better n border control and illegal immigration. The problem with the fence is that after next January it will be impossible to get anything further through Congress and what there may already be in the works will be defunded. We have to count on a Republican president, and McCain is NOT that man, to further encourage the states to disinvite the illegals the way some states are beginning to do now, enforced penalties on employers and constant harassment. It works and is ever so much cheaper than trying to round them up and ship them to Mexico.


35 posted on 02/13/2008 12:58:15 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Kurt Evans
1.Are you aware that Tyson’s Political Action Committee has endorsed and supported Huckabee?

2.Radical Islam is taking over the world. Time is short.

3.Hillary or Obama will withdraw and that means surrender in the eyes of Radical Islam.

4.Hillary or Obama are both open borders, socialist, Globalists.

5.The New World Order is an inplan event.

6.McCain will serve us best with regard to Radical Islam. McCain will do what he thinks is best for the country. All you have to do is convince him. He is most likely going to be the next President. My advice is for conservatives to begin doing something constructive instead of burning your bridges.

Easy Does It

36 posted on 02/13/2008 12:58:49 AM PST by eazdzit (ISLAM is not a religion, If a country practices Sharia Law, they are against us.)
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To: Terpfen

there are two killer policies that Republicans are playing with this cycle, Amnesty and Global Warming. Global Warming legislation will kick the economy in the gut or at least put leg-irons on it. Amnesty will legalize many millions of new Democrats and turn us into a UN ruled European socialist society in short order. Huckabee is better than McCain on that one, at least. While he wants to be nice to the ones that are here I don’t think he will move to legalize them and he will do what he can to control the border. McC wants to make Democrat voters out of all the ones that are here now and by extension the many millions more that will flood across the border when Amnesty appears to be close and real. It may even look like the Palestinians taking out the Gaza-Sinai fence but the Mexicans and others won’t just buy some stuff and go home. The Mexican government is quite capable of organizing a Gaza event. If it should happen with the Clintons as president or Obama would they be able to use the military effectively against the invasion? Or would they just smile, knowing that they will rule Aztlan for life.


37 posted on 02/13/2008 1:08:54 AM PST by arthurus
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To: eazdzit
McCain will do what he thinks is best for the country. All you have to do is convince him.

One of these thoughts is not like the other, and that, my friend, is the problem.

38 posted on 02/13/2008 1:43:59 AM PST by browardchad
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To: Terpfen

Baseless and of course, wrong.


39 posted on 02/13/2008 1:46:43 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: eazdzit

See the WorldNetDaily article on McCain’s Soros-funded group?


40 posted on 02/13/2008 1:48:16 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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