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50 Reasons to Switch from Microsoft Windows to Apple’s Mac OS X
Chris Pirillo Dot Com ^ | Feb. 14, 2008 | Chris Pirillo

Posted on 02/14/2008 8:16:57 PM PST by jdm

I love my Xbox 360s, I think Popfly rocks (Silverlight will bring much needed competition to Flash). Plus, I can’t live without Exchange and its server-side rules. I love my Microsoft mouse more than any other mouse in the world. Surface looks totally awesome, too.

Microsoft does some amazing things - very amazing things. My choice, however, for a primary desktop operating system is no longer Windows - it’s Mac OS X. Duh. It’s rather difficult to admit that officially, if only because well, I think Microsoft does amazing things. They’ve also been quite supportive of my own efforts over the years, if only because they understand the value of one user. I’m still openly willing to give feedback to Microsoft’s product teams - Windows included. If you’re also looking to Switch, let me tell you that VMware Fusion signed on as a Video Show sponsor - and would be more than happy to help you with the transition. Realizing that many of you are hooked on Parallels, I’m guessing that VMware would do just about anything to win your attention. I also have great sponsors like Plasq.com (who make Skitch.com and ComicLife.com) and Shinywhitebox.com, who makes iShowU, Stomp, and Chatter. These are independent Mac OS X software developers with widely-accepted products. While I don’t need to justify my actions to anybody, I feel I have 50 strong reasons to finally make the move. This is after posting a list of my favorite Mac apps a few months ago, and inspiring Brian to create Appster (so that you could blog your favorite Mac apps with ease, too). Anybody in my chat room who watches the live video feed with any regularity knows that I’m a platform neutral geek. Keep that in mind as you read the following list:

  1. Seems that the future of Windows development is happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don’t take issue with this other than being someone who doesn’t live or work inside a corporate environment at home.
  2. Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.
  3. I’m ready to experience different frustrations. OS X isn’t perfect, certainly - but I already see its noticeably more stable than Windows Vista has been. Kernel Panics at least look prettier than BSODs. :) Seriously, I just find OS X’s update schedule to be more to my liking - instead of waiting for gigantic service packs, I get minor point releases along the way to major revisions to the OS. Bugs are going to happen, but knowing that showstopping / security bugs are likely to be squished quicker gives me amazing peace of mind.
  4. There’s more interesting, useful, beautiful, and affordable software being developed for OS X. If you still believe that there’s no software for “the Mac,” you’re simply a fool who hasn’t done his or her research.
  5. VMware Fusion makes it possible to have every operating system at my fingertips (as well as every app that runs on ‘em, FTW). Performance and stability is a reality, not a dream. More importantly, with USB 2.0 support in VMware Fusion, I have near complete compatibility with any external hardware. Parallels is also there, which should keep competition lively.
  6. I believe that the future of Windows (or any OS software layer) will be experienced in a virtual machine of some sort. People have been dual booting for years - now I can triple-task cross-platform in seconds flat.
  7. Not to say that Microsoft or Linux haven’t made great strides in recent years, but at least Leopard feels like only one team was developing the UI. It’s not quite perfect, but closer to what perfect should be. I’m not a huge fan of iTunes or every other Apple utility - but at least with Leopard, they’re trying to make them look and work the same way.
  8. I love the fact that most programs and their associated libraries are self-contained (apps). There’s no stress in installing / uninstalling most programs, and for true cleanup jobs there’s always AppZapper.
  9. I’m not a huge fan of the Dock for task management, but Quicksilver has virtually no Windows equivalent (in terms of elegance and scriptability, although it’s still completely overwhelming to me right now). The dock isn’t a shining example of where OS X is “better,” but I do appreciate the context menu options for each of the Dock’s icons for “Open at Login” management.
  10. Spotlight is to Windows Desktop Search as a BMW Z4 is to a Ford Pinto (in terms of performance, usability, and UI). No contest. I’m sure some would argue the opposite, but they’re also probably the extreme developer “but it works if you just learn how to use it right” types. Feh.
  11. The Apple community has been infiltrated by enough people who aren’t smug. You’re not better than me just because you run another OS or support another vendor, nor are you any less of a geek. Not every Windows user is a neanderthal, although some of their dated arguments would make them out to be. I think that most consumers are caught up in the idea that you NEED Windows for everything at home. You don’t.
  12. My iPhone is not going away anytime soon. Would I switch for better compatibility with a communications device? Not necessarily, but if the future of OS X is in the present of the iPhone they’re going to gain consumer market share at blinding speed. Remember, I wanted to hate this device - after years of being a dyed-in-the-wool Windows Mobile advocate.
  13. The spyware / malware / virus threat is diminished by an extreme degree. Not to say that one should avoid running protective layers of software or hardware, but I’m just not as nervous when I try a new app on OS X.
  14. Many of my friends are considering making the switch as well. This dovetails nicely with my first point. I can tell you that just by showing off the fun features of CamTwist and Colloquy with my live stream, a few of those community members have already purchased MacBooks - or are strongly considering doing so in the not-too-distant future. Interestingly enough, those are two FREE apps that work amazingly better than most overpriced Windows shareware titles.
  15. Microsoft Windows completely abandoned its power users, period. Where are the Windows Vista “Ultimate” add-ons? Where are the new Power Toys? Why doesn’t Windows Media Player have podcast support yet (despite me telling them to integrate RSS back when WMP9 was in beta, years before podcasting was a buzzword)? I’m not saying that Windows is dead - not by any stretch of the imagination.
  16. Boot Camp, if all else fails.
  17. A single SKU of Leopard is both 32-bit and 64-bit compatible. This, alone, is a fantastic reason to embrace the platform. It’s seamless. Why should a consumer have to come to a decision on which code to run - or understand the differences between them in the first place? Remember, I’m to be considered a “home” user.
  18. Time Machine. Wow. Can it really be this simple? “Simply select your AirPort Disk as the backup disk for each computer and the whole family can enjoy the benefits of Time Machine.” Do you understand what that means? And no, Windows Volume Shadow Copy is not the SAME thing.
  19. Leopard’s Finder will allegedly search networked computers seamlessly, as well as allow you to access those results remotely (through a paid .Mac account, which would totally be worth purchasing at that point).
  20. Java app performance is decent on OS X, and the same code looks infinitely better when it’s not running on Windows. In fact, most third-party apps are very well designed so as to integrate seamlessly with the entire OS. That’s beyond refreshing.
  21. You never need to defrag a Mac’s hard disk.
  22. Adium is there - an Instant Messaging client that allows you to use AIM, Yahoo, Google Talk, and other accounts through a single client. It’d be my replacement for Miranda IM. Skype also works on the Mac. I expect to see even more universal IM apps reveal themselves over the coming months.
  23. Bonjour is proving to be quite useful on my home network. Computers with Bonjour-enabled services are automatically discovered with virtually no fuss - even my networked Windows machines have been playing along.
  24. Joining wireless networks in OS X is easier and more refined, easily accessible. The tools for networking don’t seem overly complex, either.
  25. Setting up services such as Windows File Sharing, FTP, and even Web sharing can be done on OS X with just a few clicks. If you’re telling me that I could set up FTP just as easily in Windows, then it obviously can’t be done as easily.
  26. Almost all of the audio and video formats out there can be played on the Mac with Video LAN Player (VLC). One less barrier to entry.
  27. Great Web browsers that work in Windows also work on the Mac (Firefox, Opera, SeaMonkey, Flock). The only exception here is Internet Explorer, or any third-party overlay to IE (such as Maxthon, which has been taking a slight turn for the worse with 2.0). Of course, there’s always the “invisible” virtual machine possibility (read: VMware Fusion’s Unity mode). Moreover, Safari / WebKit is gaining speed on all platforms.
  28. Erasing deleted files placed in your trash (also known as a Recycle Bin in Windows) can be securely erased in OS X. No need to mess with third-party software.
  29. You can still right-click in OS X - and the way Apple decided to implement it is far more convenient than you’d think. In fact, I find double-tapping the mouse pad far more intuitive than using a second mouse button. Didn’t take long to get used to it at all.
  30. Wanna set up a VNC server on your Mac? No problem, its already apart of the operating system! Moreover, the feature isn’t buried three levels deep. It’s sitting right there in the Finder. Moreover, unlike Windows Remote Desktop, a Screen Sharing session doesn’t lock the remote user out of his / her session - one reason I’ve always loathed RDC.
  31. Microsoft doesn’t have an iLife. Not even close. It has a set of multimedia applications, but they don’t seem to be cohesive in the slightest. Maybe things will get better as Live continues to evolve?
  32. You really don’t get to play the blame game with Apple. They make the hardware AND the operating system, so they really know what’s going on, and they really know if the problem is widespread.
  33. A Mac costs about the same as a comparable Windows PC - for hardware and (for argument’s sake for those who don’t believe me) bundled software. And for those who still claim that Macs are still more expensive, they obviously have never seen or priced a gaming rig. Price / cost is relative. If you want a cheap machine, that’s your prerogative. The resell value on Macs has always been higher than that of an equivalent “Windows” machine.
  34. You can record audio and video conversations from iChat 4.0 (natively). That’s pretty amazing, as it takes the idea of “video chat” and puts it into a time-shifted space. This isn’t just useful for those of us who conduct guest interviews regularly, but for home users who want to save calls for posterity.
  35. Dashcode appears to take the geekery out of widget-building. Moreover, the new “Web Clippings” widget appears to work better than anything I’ve seen come from Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, et al. This is putting the user first
  36. With a .Mac subscription, you can save common local settings as global ones. You only have to configure your Dock or System Preferences on one machine to have those same changes appear on all machines connected to your .Mac account. Unbelievable.
  37. Unlike Windows font management, you can activate fonts as you need them within Leopard. This translates to less wasted overhead by fonts that remain largely unused in memory. I can only imagine this results in far less resource-intensive sessions. Genius.
  38. Automator now supports UI Recording and Playback, which means you can create “macros” without understanding a lick of logic. The last time I saw a native macro recorder in Windows was v3.0? You don’t have to be a geek to gain access to geeky-cool features.
  39. Can’t tell you how much I love Spring Loaded folders. Love ‘em.
  40. Wikipedia information, while not always accurate, certainly stands to be updated a lot more frequently than documentation that ships with (or from) the operating system designer. That Apple has taken the step to integrate access directly from within the Dictionary tool ? It’s just kinda nice to have there. They’re placing trust in the idea of community rather than trying to hide it from us.
  41. Mail comes with “Data Detectors” which will highlight phone numbers, addresses, etc. You can then choose to do something with that information, like map it or store it as an appointment, contact, etc. This is a feature I had not seen outside of a pricey plugin for Microsoft Outlook. I may not use Mail.app, but at least they’re continuing to improve its functionality - ugly capsule toolbar icons notwithstanding.
  42. The Preview tool ain’t no joke - with annotations, basic image editing, Core Animation zooming and scrolling, GPS Metadata support, batch operations, etc. It’s all at your fingertips.
  43. Expose works. ‘Nuff said. The only thing that surpasses OS X’s open window management is Compiz Fusion. None of this Flip3D nonsense.
  44. Help. No, seriously - Help is the way Help should have always been all along. I related my “Help” experience a few weeks ago, with the system not just finding what I was looking for help on, but taking me directly to the spot where I needed to be. I’m pretty sure the Help system isn’t 100% accurate, but it hasn’t disappointed me yet.
  45. Guest accounts are purged after every session in Leopard. Wow. Guest privileges, on the other hand, seem to be lacking somewhat on the security front (but most of my Guests are computer clueless).
  46. I love the Universal Access zoom feature - and have used it so many times for countless reasons. Really comes in handy when you’re trying to show something to someone from across the room. Never found anything close to its simplicity anywhere else.
  47. Call me crazy, but I love the fact that in OS X, the keyboard shortcut for opening Preferences is always the same (Command + Comma). Convenient. Dependable. Quick.
  48. Device compatibility doesn’t seem to be as much of an issue as it used to be with the Mac. While I couldn’t get my brand new HP LaserJet to work inside of Vista, it works flawlessly inside of OS X 10.4 (despite having to use HP’s scanning software). Still, with any USB hardware hiccups in Leopard, compatibility issues are erased with VMware Fusion until newer software is unleashed.
  49. Thanks to another one of our sponsors, GoToMeeting, I’ve had the opportunity to see quite a few of my friends’ desktops. Quite a few have gone to great lengths to make their installation of Windows look and feel like Mac OS X. At that point, what’s the point of sticking with Windows? Just about the only thing Mac users might want from Windows is the Explorer (FTFF) - and even then, there’s ‘Path Finder.’
  50. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Windows users need Apple’s software more than Mac users need Microsoft’s. That’s just a cold, hard fact. And given my severe disappointment with just about everything in Mac Office 2008, I’m even further driven away from Microsoft’s desktop software.

Please don’t take this post as an all-out lovefest for Apple (and it’s definitely not a hatefest for Microsoft, either). The two can co-exist peacefully if you let them, and if your routine supports it. I wasn’t ready to switch before now for a lot of reasons. This has been a long time coming. I think it’s lousy that Apple charges for QuickTime Pro and Remote Desktop, I believe iTunes and iPhoto are inelegant management tools (Picasa for OS X would rule). At least Aperture 2.0 looks promising for me. And, for whatever it’s worth, I’ve yet to hear from anybody at Apple in respect to marketing, sponsorship, endorsement, support - or otherwise. I’d imagine they’d be interested in knowing my background, and why this leap is relatively monumental for me - and a sign of things to come for the greater part of our community. So, let’s say that the next version of Windows is amazing - for argument’s sake. Would I switch back to the “PC” for my primary computing needs? Doubtful, because I’m guessing that virtual machine support will continue to improve in leaps and bounds (with greater hardware support to boot). Microsoft Windows isn’t in trouble, necessarily - but I do believe that it’s better (read: somewhat safer, more affordable) to run Windows in a virtual machine with USB 2.0 hardware support than it is to run it directly on the desktop. If you’re a gamer, all bets are off - you’re a different kind of user. Gamers are likely the reason Windows is still alive and well at home today. If the gaming industry shifted gears and started to develop OpenGL-based entertainment titles for Linux, you’d see Ubuntu adoption skyrocket. I’m a console player - still in love with my 360, as noted before. I’m a casual gamer, and I can casual game anywhere. I’ll still have traditional PC hardware around the house - especially since Ponzi may or may not be making this switch with me. We’re still living inside of Outlook, with no other usable PIM in reach (on any platform). I’ve been showing her a few cool things that you can only do with “the Mac,” and she’s certainly seen me try Outlook 2007 in VMware Fusion. I’m also looking forward to tinkering with new systems as they’re released from a variety of OEMs. I couldn’t abandon my beloved HP All-in-One LaserJet!

Point is: I’m not going ‘all’ Apple. In time, this will all become easier to manage - but there’s no time like the present to shelve the last ten years of Windows enthusiasm and switch. I’m fine with being a Microsoft enthusiast in other areas, mind you - very much so. They’re doing too many good things for me to ignore, and their community involvement puts Apple to shame. My choice for an operating system is just that - my choice for an OS. And before anybody jumps in and claims that you can achieve the same level of “happiness” after installing 50+ third-party add-ons, plugins, extensions, and utilities to Windows you simply don’t get it, and you probably never will. I can’t be alone, and I’m predicting that by the end of next year, even more people will choose (and use) Mac OS X over Windows Vista. I can’t open up the phone lines anymore without being inundated with calls that suggest such a tipping point. Everybody is curious

…and curiosity is what keeps me going.

As a power user, Mac OS X has far more to offer me in terms of tweak-ability and modularity. I learned that by trying it, not by guessing that it wasn’t possible.

I heart MacOSXHints.com. I heart TUAW.com. I heart DaringFireball.net. I heart TidBits.com. I heart so many Mac software developers (like Steve Green and Wil Shipley and Randy Green and Brian Skrab and others). I heart watching for news of some new application, though I’m not quite on any review lists yet - it seems like a simpler nut to crack than it was in the world of Windows shareware.

It’s fun again.

To end this with a bit of humor, my live stream chatters (largely Windows and PC enthusiasts) gave me other title suggestions for this post:

And now, I’d like to challenge any Windows enthusiast to publish 50 Reasons to switch from Mac OS X to Microsoft Windows. ;)


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To: jdm
reason Number one


101 posted on 02/15/2008 1:09:20 AM PST by diverteach (http://foolishpleasurestudio.com/eyewool/slap_hillary.html)
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To: jdm

Some great links in that article. Thanks!


102 posted on 02/15/2008 3:34:10 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Buy a Mac ...)
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To: politicket
High quality windows machines are way more expensive than an equal quality Mac. Apple doesn't make junk in the low quality category that your cheapest Windows machines are often poorly running on.

The so called Apple cult is an illusion Windows users imagine because they frequently have to run ask for help when their machine is acting up and anyone regularly using a Mac is naturally going to be baffled by the huge assortment of problems they've never had to encounter. This is because..., well, just because the Mac OSX is by far superior and if that sounds snobbish or cultish it's your problem. You don't have to join a cult to realize there's something on the market that puts Windows in the dark ages.

103 posted on 02/15/2008 4:42:45 AM PST by shuckmaster
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bookmark for later reading


104 posted on 02/15/2008 4:49:08 AM PST by pdunkin (I feel more like I do now than I did this morning.)
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To: Swordmaker

I only need one, UNIX. I have been working with UNIX for years. It is more stable and easier to recover.


105 posted on 02/15/2008 4:51:49 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: ThomasThomas

You can, but it’s clunky. There’s a default back to 2003 compatibility also. It’s just a little annoyance. You get warnings that some of the features won’t work every time you save, and it’s another string of popup menus you have to click through to get your work done.


106 posted on 02/15/2008 5:03:31 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: jdm
I have no dog in this hunt. In fact, I don't particularly like some of M-soft's practices, nor do I rave about their products. I'm just a pragmatist when it comes to computers. I have considered switching to Apple over the years, but never very seriously, mainly because of cost. We have a coupla Win XP machines which never ever crash, never give us BSOD's or any such problems. We use free anti-spyware and anti-virus, so we spend no money and no extra time with that issue. However, as I said, I am always open to "the switch" the next time I upgrade a machine, particularly given the problems with Vista. However, I may buy a new machine with XP -- more about that below.

Having said all that, the author lost all credibility with me with his statement:
A Mac costs about the same as a comparable Windows PC

That, is a lie. In fact just last week, I'm not a gamer, but I priced out a the most loaded out gamer-type equipped Inspiron machine available at Dell.com. It has a Quad core processor, the fastest they offer, 4 gig of 800 mHz Ram, and every option offered. With the current $300 rebate (they are always running various of these rebates), the machine, an upgraded multimedia keyboard and upgraded optical mouse came to about $900 with free shipping. I just bought a gorgeous new Sammy 24" monitor for $400. So I could be in a maxed out machine with 24" monitor (still available with XP, I might add), for about $1300. There is no comparable maxed out Apple desktop for anywhere near that price. You have to spend twice that or close to it for a comparable Apple desktop. The author is either stoopid or a liar.

And what is this, a typo, or?
And given my severe disappointment with just about everything in Mac Office 2008, I’m even further driven away from Microsoft’s desktop software.

He's severely disappointed with Mac Office 08, and that drives him away from M-soft? Sorry, but I don't get what he's saying here.

And one more thing -- I hate that all the Apple machines seem to be white, with the exception of one Apple laptop I saw available in black (but with about a $300 premium for the black over the white). I don't care for white computers. They would show dirt and smudges, and to me, it's a cheap look compared to black. I would never buy one -- just a personal preference. Why aren't they available in black?

If Apple would bring all their prices down, and offer desktops in black, and laptops without a premium over white in black, I would probably make the switch. Otherwise, no thanx.

/End rant. Flame away, apple fanboys. The price thing is factual.

107 posted on 02/15/2008 5:49:20 AM PST by webschooner (A Conservative voting for John McCain is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: jdm

I’ve joined the “cult”. My I-mac will be delievred next week.

It’s going to drive the Liberals nuts that Conservatives are starting to use MACs more and more by the day. It will be like them moving to red states and messing with the politics in those states to make them look like the socialist meccas they left.


108 posted on 02/15/2008 6:49:14 AM PST by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: politicket
1. Less expensive

2. Not a cult...

Please keep on thinking that way.

Running Macs gives our small business a serious competitive advantage. I want to keep it.

109 posted on 02/15/2008 7:14:08 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: rwfromkansas
I just hope they release an updated version by the time I choose to get one, probably in April or May of this year.

Apple releases its products with a longer cycle than other OEMs, thus the value will be extremely high on release and go down towards the next release. Thus,

The best Mac buying advice

Is to watch here and follow the recommendations.
110 posted on 02/15/2008 7:20:15 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Age of Reason
And finally, would Access databases I write VB code for while using a Mac, be able to function when transferred to a Windows PC?

I code C# for .NET in an XP virtual machine on my iMac. When I get the time maybe I'll learn Objective C and the Cocoa API and make my apps cross-platform.

BTW, try to wean yourself from VB to C#, you'll be a lot happier and more productive.

111 posted on 02/15/2008 7:25:01 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: scripter
I think Vista has a nice GUI look and seems fairly stable.

This is so true.

When I was in the "looking" phase, I stopped in to BestBuy to get a feel for what retail prices and offerings were like. What a crappy line of desktop PCs they have. (Why are they called 'Desktop PCs' if everybody puts the box under the desk? But I digress)

What kept me in bestBuy for laonger than was comfortable was Vista. What magnificent Eye Candy! I was like a moth to a flame. I wanted it. It was soooo beauuutiful.....

But then I came to my senses and had to tear myself away....
"Must...turn...away...from the....monitor. Focus on...the wireless...router display....UNNNGH!"
And I was free....headed for the door.

It really is a great looking OS but...well, you know the rest. I will never own Vista. I may have to support it for my job (G-d willing) but I will never own a license for it.
It's XP for me for now.

Since Intel Macs run Windows and its apps so well, I will likely make the switch when my wife and I retire and need to have a good system to be mobile with as we plan on travelling a fair amount. For these days, I'll go for the desktop beef. It's what's for dinner.

112 posted on 02/15/2008 7:26:29 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Bureaucracy is a parasite that preys on Free Thought and suffocates Free Spirit.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Thanks for that link. Hadn’t seen it before and have been burned several times in the past with Mac updates.


113 posted on 02/15/2008 7:33:19 AM PST by Vermonter
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To: dcam
The new X300 Thinkpad smokes the MacBook Air in ever category. Fanboys are funny.

Except maybe for the fact that it's not even on the market yet. And as far as ultra-portables go, it'll be relatively much thicker, it'll still be flimsy plastic, and it'll only be available at a very high price point due to SSD as the only storage option.

114 posted on 02/15/2008 7:33:36 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: dcam
I’m looking for a new machine that saves a couple pounds. Lenovo seems to have figured out the formula. Why can’t Apple?”

Metal weighs more, but it's the reason for the incredibly solid feel that reviewers have been fawning over. Oh, and you can actually buy a MacBook Air right now.

115 posted on 02/15/2008 7:36:14 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: dcam

“Are you high? The new X300 Thinkpad smokes the MacBook Air in ever category. Fanboys are funny.”

I fix laptops and smoke is a bad sign.


116 posted on 02/15/2008 7:37:56 AM PST by ThomasThomas ( John McCain a true BLUE conservative)
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To: DesScorp
Microsoft does do some things very well. They make some of the best hardware available

That's why the 360 being a piece of junk really surprised me. Microsoft is known to blow it on the software, but until that the hardware has always been very good quality, and even innovative like with the first ergonomic mouse.

117 posted on 02/15/2008 7:39:19 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: jdm
I’m ready to experience different frustrations. OS X isn’t perfect, certainly - but I already see its noticeably more stable than Windows Vista has been.

Nice! I love the way he compares an operating system that's been out for some time against a brand new operating system. Hey Miss article writer, care to compare OS X to, say, Windows XP? Nah, that would be an equal comparison.

118 posted on 02/15/2008 7:41:09 AM PST by SwankyC (McCain is the wrong liberal for the job.)
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To: dcam
Thinkpad X300 has a 2Ghz processor, so it’s faster than an MBA.

And it'll shorten battery life.

X300 is lighter! 2.5 lbs vs 3.0 lbs

True, metal weighs more.

X300 has better screen resolution.

I consider that a disadvantage. LCD displays look good only in their native resolution, and when readability suffers when that resolution is too high, making screen elements too small. Dell laptops are notorious for this.

You can add memory to the X300, not to the MBA.

True, and it goes to 4 GB, which is the sweet spot for Vista. The MBA comes with 2 GB, the sweet spot for OS X.

You can swap out the battery, not on an MBA.

True, also a function of size, and the lighter weight will include not having your optical drive or extra battery installed.

X300 has all the usual ports, then MBA does not.

It's much smaller than an X300, no room to put those ports.

X300’s battery life is longer than the MBA’s.

It isn't even out yet, so that has not been confirmed. Do not expect more battery time with that faster processor compared to an SSD MBA, which does hit five hours.

119 posted on 02/15/2008 7:47:55 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: webschooner
Having said all that, the author lost all credibility with me with his statement:
A Mac costs about the same as a comparable Windows PC
________________________

The usual cultist chant is that Apple only competes in the high end. Very cute but.....

I have posted I bought a perfectly good Compaq Intel dual core laptop computer for $349 last Christmas. It does what I need it to do. It is quite modular with easy to replace DVD writer, removable hard drive and upgradeable memory. 

15.4" wide screen. My guess is I would have to pay at least $1000 to get an Apple laptop with 15.4"screen

In fact---->>>  http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore has laptops starting at $1099 with a pathetic 13" screen. Lame boring laughable

(I assemble/build my own Windows desktop computers)

120 posted on 02/15/2008 8:02:40 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam!)
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To: SwankyC
Nice! I love the way he compares an operating system that's been out for some time against a brand new operating system.

Vista is really just an update to Windows Server 2003, which is based on Windows 2000 with some features pulled from Windows XP.

OS X has been out since 2001 (1999 if you count the first OS X Server, but then you should count NT for Vista). It's had five updates since then.

It is a fair comparison since both are of relatively equal age.

121 posted on 02/15/2008 8:08:48 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: dennisw
(I assemble/build my own Windows desktop computers)

I am thinking of building my own Windows XP machine -- would be my first. Are there any websites you could recommend with current information and recommendations for building your own computer? I found such a website or two, but they are several years outdated, so the information is basically useless.

122 posted on 02/15/2008 8:13:29 AM PST by webschooner (A Conservative voting for John McCain is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: webschooner

The professional Macs come in aircraft grade aluminum. And the black MacBook is 200 dollars more with a bigger hard drive, so while there is a small tax for the color you also get actual improvements.

To me there are no better looking computers than Mac Pros and MacBook Pros.


123 posted on 02/15/2008 8:25:32 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: jdm
Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.

I wish I had the option to turn this off. On my MBP, when I close the lid to relocate within the house, it severs all connections. That's a hassle. My Dell work machine just turns off the screen, or whatever I tell it to do when I shut the lid.

124 posted on 02/15/2008 8:30:37 AM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: Swordmaker

Thing is, what’s pushing me towards the MBP is build quality. I like the aluminum case, and especially like the metal keyboard. (My current Inspiron 6000 has a shoddy plastic keyboard, and the lettering on half the keys has worn off because they were decals.) I’m quite wary of the standard MacBook for those reasons, even though I know it’s a solid machine.

I suppose I’ll hold off until both products receive updates, then go from there.


125 posted on 02/15/2008 8:31:10 AM PST by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is a catastrophe.)
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To: webschooner
These two track really good Dell deals with 19" LCD under $400

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I have built with and can recommend this motherboard with DVI output to connect an LCD to it so no need for a video card --->>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138074  I can tell you what components to buy to go with it. Newegg is good place to buy them

Good PC building guide ---->>> http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/pc-building/

After PC is assembled you install XP onto it. Cheapest XP pro is an academic edition

After XP you then load motherboard drivers which will be on disk that came with motherboard

 

 

 

126 posted on 02/15/2008 8:41:55 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

“That’s why the 360 being a piece of junk really surprised me.”

They rushed the 360 to market to beat the Playstation 3, so I’m not surprised. And I just find it hilarious that that 360’s processor is from the PowerPC family :P


127 posted on 02/15/2008 8:57:33 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: dennisw

Thanx for all the links and the tips. Those are useful sites that I hadn’t found before. I appreciate it! I already have two flat panel monitors, and I run a dual monitor set-up, so when I build or buy a new machine, I will be putting a dual DVI video card in it.


128 posted on 02/15/2008 9:02:27 AM PST by webschooner (A Conservative voting for John McCain is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: webschooner

DVI is the way to go. Dual is more better. Here is a good motherboard I’m using http://clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA4830813 that you can put an e8200 Intel processor into. E8200 has 6mb cache which is tremendous. Some say it is better than quad core

No on board video on above motherboard so you can put in your dual DVI card


129 posted on 02/15/2008 9:13:53 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam!)
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To: webschooner
And what is this, a typo, or?
And given my severe disappointment with just about everything in Mac Office 2008, I’m even further driven away from Microsoft’s desktop software.
He's severely disappointed with Mac Office 08, and that drives him away from M-soft? Sorry, but I don't get what he's saying here.

M-Soft... as you put it... is the creator and publisher of Mac Office 2008... that's what he's saying here.

Having said all that, the author lost all credibility with me with his statement:
A Mac costs about the same as a comparable Windows PC
That, is a lie...

No, webschooner, it isn't a lie. It's the truth and it has been tested many times in the past three or so years. You build a name brand PC to match the components (not just something "similar") of a Mac and the Mac will be either about the same or less expensive than the PC. I've done it, pundits have done it. Even Windows pundits have done it and admitted it. Apple simply does not compete in the bargain basement... they don't sell a cut-rate Mac.

Consider the all-in-one iMac with a 20" 1680 x 1050 screen and Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz processor for $1199.

Ergo, the Apple iMac is either less expensive or at worst competitive with the PC offerings with comparable models.

I won't even get into comparing the high end Mac Pros with the PC offerings... differences there have run up to $1300 MORE expensive than comparable MacPro for matching Dell and HP offerings. One major PC website, Arstechnica, reported last spring they could not even buy the parts to build a PC to match a Mac Pro's specs for what Apple was retailing it for... using discount websites, they had already surpassed the retail price of a complete MacPro before they had purchased a power supply, case and operating system.

130 posted on 02/15/2008 9:16:13 AM PST by Swordmaker (We can fix this, but you're gonna need a butter knife, a roll of duct tape, and a car battery.)
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To: Terpfen
Thing is, what’s pushing me towards the MBP is build quality. I like the aluminum case, and especially like the metal keyboard. (My current Inspiron 6000 has a shoddy plastic keyboard, and the lettering on half the keys has worn off because they were decals.) I’m quite wary of the standard MacBook for those reasons, even though I know it’s a solid machine.

I have a MBP with the metallic keyboard. The back lit keys are a whole lot more of a help that I anticipated. Being able to scroll down a page by dragging two fingers on the touchpad is also incredibly cool.

131 posted on 02/15/2008 9:20:32 AM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.kccog.org)
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To: webschooner

Newegg is a great resource for computer components. You can look up a motherboard or video card you like and read the reviews. For your first computer build look for a motherboard with a lot of positive recommendations. The processor reviews are also helpful. You can buy elsewhere but NewEgg helps you find out what is good quality


132 posted on 02/15/2008 9:23:24 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam!)
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To: Swordmaker
Your Mac is 2x the price of this Dell XP computer ---->>>

If you would like a more upgraded deal, consider the following Vostro 200 Slim Tower with 22" LCD, 2GB of memory and a DVD+/-RW drive for $499 with free shipping. Thanks w59cb83x [Discuss]
Specs:

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133 posted on 02/15/2008 9:28:06 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam!)
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To: webschooner
The price thing is factual.

The 'price thing' is antecdotal.

I bought a black macbook, 2+ghz core 2, 2 gig ram, 140+ gig hd. Add all the goodies like software (the iLife sweet(sic)), and Dell can't touch it.

When you go low-end PC system and dont care that it can't expand like a Mac Pro - you are right, apple has nothing at that price point. Trying to price out the system you described, I found mac at more like 3x than 2x the price. The Pro didn't even have a processor as slow as the 'fastest they offer' Dell Inspiron...

134 posted on 02/15/2008 9:32:02 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Member VRWC - Volvo-owning right-wing conspiracy.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Oh sorry, I must’ve missed all those ads for a WS2003 update. No, I’m pretty sure this was advertised as a new OS.


135 posted on 02/15/2008 9:39:22 AM PST by SwankyC (McCain is the wrong liberal for the job.)
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To: Swordmaker

Then we will agree to disagree sir. I say it is a lie. I guess it depends, as always, on where you shop. I don’t shop Gateways or Sony Vaios (a very overpriced brand). I have bought Dells for years and I just cited the basic specs on one in my previous post, with a Quad Core processor, 4 gig of 800 Mhz Ram, 500 gig HD, Media Card reader, top end video card, etc. etc, loaded up, for less than $900, delivered to my door. I add my 24” Sammy monitor for $400 (I don’t buy packaged systems — I buy my monitor separately), and the total with free ship is less than $1300. There is no comparably equipped Apple machine with a 24” monitor for anywhere near that money. If there were, I might buy it.


136 posted on 02/15/2008 9:42:25 AM PST by webschooner (A Conservative voting for John McCain is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: jdm

I would have changed years ago if i could have afforded it graphics programs and music auditors POP in mac !


137 posted on 02/15/2008 9:44:17 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.)
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To: Bronzewound

I don’t hate many things when it comes to computing but i HATE vista.


138 posted on 02/15/2008 9:46:47 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
The price thing is not anecdotal. I checked prices at Apple and Apple reseller.

I did not mention low-end PC's. I compare prices regularly and a comparable Mac costs way more than a PC, at least where I shop. Maybe you are pricing PC's at expensive outlets. At any rate, we will agree to disagree.

139 posted on 02/15/2008 9:47:40 AM PST by webschooner (A Conservative voting for John McCain is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: MrShoop
I was hoping the dolts at Apple would see the giant opportunity before them with MS forcing their Vista bloatware into the home market. Not a single item discussing GAMES and how/why Apple will be better.

And the author making stupid arse statements like “there is NO software” and implying that people interpret this literally just goes to show that this guy is just another smug todd looking to be part of a cult. I guess that means we’re screwed and ultimately stuck with Vista.

140 posted on 02/15/2008 9:59:53 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: CurlyDave
Please keep on thinking that way.

Running Macs gives our small business a serious competitive advantage. I want to keep it.


I'm very happy for the success of your small business. You should also know that my small business centers on the financial industry and uses nothing but PC's running Windows XP. It is also extremely profitable. Please stay on the Apple side of the aisle. That way, my company will continue to win all of the contracts in the financial industry.
141 posted on 02/15/2008 10:00:26 AM PST by politicket
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To: shuckmaster
The so called Apple cult is an illusion Windows users imagine because they frequently have to run ask for help when their machine is acting up and anyone regularly using a Mac is naturally going to be baffled by the huge assortment of problems they've never had to encounter. This is because..., well, just because the Mac OSX is by far superior and if that sounds snobbish or cultish it's your problem. You don't have to join a cult to realize there's something on the market that puts Windows in the dark ages.

It does sound snobbish and cultish, just so you know.

Also, all of the computers in my small business have not had a single OS related problem (including spyware and viruses) for at least a couple of years. All problems have been hardware giving out over time. My systems all run Windows XP Professional.

Isn't it time for you to take your mat out and face West towards Steve Jobs? ;-)
142 posted on 02/15/2008 10:04:24 AM PST by politicket
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To: jdm
And now, I’d like to challenge any Windows enthusiast to publish 50 Reasons to switch from Mac OS X to Microsoft Windows. ;)

Dont need 50. Windows works for me just fine. I'm not a moron that opens random emails or goes to eastern european horse porn sites so I don't need a smug, superior religion I just need a computer.

However, if buying a mac would grant me one punch in the stomach to the guy who came up with those idiotic commercials, I'd buy 20.

143 posted on 02/15/2008 11:04:04 AM PST by rattrap
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To: webschooner
expensive outlets

I was comparing Dell to Apple. Just had to go back to Dell and make sure.

I have a simple macbook, 13.3 screen. Comparable Dell costs more (xps 1330) - about 30% more... The dell also had a slightly slower processor than mine, slightly larger hard drive. And no iLife sweet...

When I compare iMacs to similar Dells, I see the same thing. But I always start with the mac, because they don't have as many options...they just dont...and it is hard to line up the options.

You can certainly build a PC cheaper. But when the one you build compares to a mac, the mac price is quite comparable...if not cheaper...

144 posted on 02/15/2008 11:11:16 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Member VRWC - Volvo-owning right-wing conspiracy.)
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To: dennisw
Specs:
  • Intel Pentium Dual-Core Processor E2160 (1.80GHz, 1MB L2 Cache
  • Genuine Windows XP Home Edition
  • Dell 22 inch Widescreen E228WFP Analog Flat Panel Display
  • Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz - 2DIMMs
  • Single Drive: 16X (DVD+/-RW) Burner Drive
  • 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache
  • Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
  • Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
  • 1 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 1 Year NBD On-Site Service
  • 10GB for 1 Year Online Data Backup by Dell DataSafe

You are not comparing equivalent machines at all...

I just went to your Dell link and added the stuff that is standard in an iMac... to make it comparable... things like: and guess what? The price of your bare bones, strippy computer is now suddenly $1212.00 including the "instant savings" discount.

Write back when you do a real equivalent comparison.

145 posted on 02/15/2008 11:41:33 AM PST by Swordmaker (We can fix this, but you're gonna need a butter knife, a roll of duct tape, and a car battery.)
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To: FoxInSocks

Heck, if must run windows, then Parallels runs okay. I even purchased a recent version of WinXP for my iMac laptop (just in case).

Pages in iWorks is nifty for word processing and mixing in graphics.

.... just a word of encouragement, since I have two windows boxes and three macs.


146 posted on 02/15/2008 11:59:19 AM PST by pointsal
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To: LearnsFromMistakes; Swordmaker
I have a simple macbook, 13.3 screen.

The example I gave was a Dell desktop, and desktops was mainly what my post was about, but I can address your example.

The 13.3" Dell is a not very popular and thus is an over-priced model. And 13.3" is not a popular size of laptop in general, so 13.3" PC laptop models by any manufacturer are rather pricey. If instead you compare the commonly sold screen-size models in laptop PC's, which are 15.4" first, and 14.1" second, then you will find that you can get a PC laptop much cheaper than an Apple laptop in commonly sold size of comparable specs.

Here is a desktop configuration of a Dell Inspiron I just configured at Dell.com:

Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition - English
MONITOR No Monitor
MEMORY 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz- 4DIMMs
HARD DRIVE 500GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
OPTICAL DRIVE 16x DVD+/-RW Drive
VIDEO CARD Radeon ATI HD 2600 XT 256MB
SOUND Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
KEYBOARD & MOUSE Dell USB Multimedia Keyboard and Dell Optical USB Mouse
FLOPPY & MEDIA READER Dell 19 in 1 Media Card Reader
MODEM & WIRELESS 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
OPTIONAL PORTS IEEE 1394a Adapter

Cost after $300 coupon code is $864 with Free Shipping
Add my new Sammy 24" monitor for $400 for a Grand Total of $1264.

From Apple website, just now:

MacPro
2.8 gHz Quad Core Intel
4GB Ram
500GB Hard Drive, 7200 rpm
23" Flat Panel Display

Total Cost: $3798.00

The specs on these two machines are pretty close. The apple has a faster processor, 2.8 vs 2.4 for the Dell. But the Dell I priced out with a gorgeous Samsung 24" monitor, vs a 23" Apple monitor. The hard drives, ram, and video cards are identical in my examples.

The cost of the Apple desktop is exactly 3 times as much as the cost of the virtually comparable spec Dell desktop. So even if you want to pooh-pooh the larger monitor in my Dell, and toot the faster processsor in the Apple, it does cost 3 times as much. If the Apple is worth that much more to you, I have no problem with that, but the fact is, the comparably-equipped PC is, in fact, way way way less money. So much so, you could buy 3 of the Dells above for the same money as one of the MacPro's. And if you run dual monitors, like I do, you apparently have to buy Apple's proprietary over-priced displays, which I see are 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 times the cost of a comparable size flat panel monitor for a PC. Apple may in fact, have a nice desktop product, but it's way way out of range of what I am willing to spend.

I rest my case.

147 posted on 02/15/2008 12:02:11 PM PST by webschooner (A Conservative voting for John McCain is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: jdm

I remember trying to work with a Mac once. It took less than ten minutes of use to get me to the point of a strong desire to chuck it out the window.


148 posted on 02/15/2008 12:04:51 PM PST by In veno, veritas
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To: webschooner

First off, you could run the monitor from dell off the laptop, instead of the Apple display; and you could run the apple monitor off your dell, so that part of your comparision is in error.

You can run any monitor you want, though Apple’s are very highly rated and a good bargain for the quality.

As for the monitor on the laptop itself, there are are a large portion of the laptop cost, I don’t know how you could compare dells to apples.

Second as you note, the processor speeds are different.

Third is bundled software.

Not sure what the dell wireless comparision with the airport card is; dunno what the difference in interface connections are.

I would also imagine the case difference is considerable.

Is the XP home edition 64 bit and networking and otherwise comparable to the OS shipping with the Mac?

Someone else can perhaps compare the audio and video cards.


149 posted on 02/15/2008 12:54:09 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: webschooner
I rest my case.

You have no case. You really don't know what you are talking about. You are comparing a home/home office computer setup, the Inspirion, against a professional WORKSTATION class machine. There is no comparison. The base Dell you should be starting with to do a proper like to like comparison is the Dell PrecisionTM Workstation. Let's see what you put together and compare against the base Mac Pro:

Are you beginning to understand what "Comparable Machines" means? We haven't even started to talk about the differences in workstation class motherboards...
150 posted on 02/15/2008 12:56:13 PM PST by Swordmaker (We can fix this, but you're gonna need a butter knife, a roll of duct tape, and a car battery.)
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