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One Gun Dealer, Two Campus Massacres
CBS 4 MIAMI ^ | 17 FEBRUARY 2008 | AP

Posted on 02/16/2008 8:05:37 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Wis.-Based Internet Gun Dealer Sold Weapons, Accessories To NIU And Va. Tech Shooters

MADISON, Wis (AP) ― A Green Bay-based Internet gun dealer who sold a weapon to the Virginia Tech shooter last year sold handgun accessories to the man who killed five at Northern Illinois University on Thursday.

Eric Thompson said Friday that his Web site, www.topglock.com, sold two empty 9 mm Glock magazines and a Glock holster to Stephen Kazmierczak on Feb. 4, just 10 days before the 27-year-old opened fire in a classroom and killed five before committing suicide.

The order was shipped on Monday and records of the sale provided to The Associated Press by Thompson show Kazmierczak received the order on Tuesday.

Kazmierczak carried a rifle and three handguns into the classroom Thursday. Thompson said he had no idea whether the shooter was using the holster or magazines he sold. Each magazine can hold 33 bullets. Thompson said his site did not sell Kazmierczak any bullets or guns.

Authorities said two of the weapons he used in the shooting - the pump-action Remington shotgun and a Glock 9mm handgun - were purchased legally Feb. 9 in Champaign, Ill., where Kazmierczak was a student.

This is the second time that a Web site run by Thompson's company, TGSCOM, Inc., has been connected with a campus shooting. Another Thompson site www.thegunsource.com also sold a Walther .22-caliber handgun to Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people in April on the Virginia Teach campus before killing himself.

"I'm still blown away by the coincidences," Thompson said Friday. "I'm shaking. I can't believe somebody would order from us again and do this."

Thompson said he checked his sales records after the name of the shooter was made public on Friday. Those records show the sale made to Kazmierczak for a total price of $105.62. The items were shipped to an apartment in Champaign and signed for by someone other than Kazmierczak.

Thompson said he contacted the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives within five minutes of realizing the latest connection shortly after 9:30 a.m. Friday.

Thompson said his Web site is well-known among gun users on the Internet so it is not surprising that someone looking for accessories for a Glock would find it. But being tied to both of the shootings is "unnerving," he said.

"I still feel just absolutely in shock," he said. "I feel like I was run over by a truck."

Thompson said he has no way of knowing whether Kazmierczak found out about his Web site from the publicity it got after the Virginia Tech shootings, but the thought crossed his mind. The Web site did see an increase in traffic after that shooting, he said. Thompson said he also received many phone calls and threats.

He said he's worried the same thing will happen this time around. But he decided to go public because he thought the public has a right to know as much as it can about the shooter and not feed off of rumors or outright lies.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Virginia; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunfreezone; gungrabber; internet; niu; topglock; virginiatech
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To: wastedyears

I don’t know much about guns and I believe every law abiding citizen that is in their right minds should be able to arm themselves, HOWEVER, I think there should be some sort of review on how weapons are sold online. And I think there is nothing wrong with crimminal checks and waiting periods so that crimminals and weirdos will be deterred.


41 posted on 02/17/2008 8:04:50 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!!!)
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To: org.whodat
Glock, as well as some other manufacturers DO offer a 33 round mag... It would be quite unwieldly in your holster though!

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=116453

42 posted on 02/17/2008 8:09:28 AM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: Fee

The VT shooter was NOT on meds. Maybe he should have been, but he wasn’t.


43 posted on 02/17/2008 8:10:38 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: UPcrawfish

I know that, I have a few twenty and thirty round ones myself, but not for a cheap-a88 glock. But That would have taken away from the joke!


44 posted on 02/17/2008 8:12:20 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat
Oh, sorry, must have missed the tag...
45 posted on 02/17/2008 8:14:06 AM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: UPcrawfish

whodat
dropped “sarc” between the and tag....


46 posted on 02/17/2008 8:16:27 AM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: Trailerpark Badass

So it turns you into a democrat?


47 posted on 02/17/2008 8:20:20 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: spunkets

According to the article, he only sold magazines and a holster to the NIU shooter, none of which require FFL involvement. That the NIU shooter decided to order from this particular person can only be blamed on the media, for publicizing the fact of his relationship to the VA Tech shooter.


48 posted on 02/17/2008 8:32:33 AM PST by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This should do wonders for his website’s business. I may buy something myself for a cousin (I don’t own a Glock).


49 posted on 02/17/2008 8:40:11 AM PST by montag813
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To: coloradan
I call that selective ignorance.
50 posted on 02/17/2008 8:40:28 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: panaxanax
Was it a RIFLE or was it a SHOTGUN?

Further confusing matters is that Remington makes both pump shotguns and pump rifles

51 posted on 02/17/2008 8:49:18 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: purpleraine
So it turns you into a democrat?

Worse, a Kennedy.

52 posted on 02/17/2008 8:52:21 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Gun dealers and private re-sellers of guns should be the on the front lines of preventing obvious crazies from getting guns, but if the only contact they have with a buyer is an online form showing the buyer’s name, the name of the item chosen, the credit card being used to pay for it, and shipping address, there’s just nothing to go on.

While you can buy a firearm on the Internet, it must be shipped to a regular local licensed dealer, from whom you must pick it up after doing all the paperwork that you would have had to do in order to buy direct from him. In other words, it's no different from going to a dealer, wanting a gun he doesn't have in stock, and having him order it for you

53 posted on 02/17/2008 8:52:51 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

LOL! At least I could get in on the trust fund.


54 posted on 02/17/2008 8:54:02 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
A Green Bay-based Internet gun dealer who sold a weapon to the Virginia Tech shooter last year sold handgun accessories to the man who killed five at Northern Illinois University on Thursday.

While correct in a very narrow grammatical sense these "he bought his guns on the internet" claims are extremely misleading. The media watching public is being told, sometimes in almost those very words, that guns can be purchased over the internet and somehow avoid background checks. This is simply not true. The weapon must be transferred through a FFL local to the purchaser who must complete the same checks as if he sold a gun from his own inventory to the guy. The only advantage to an internet purchase is more selection and maybe a price advantage.

Make sure to point this out to anyone with whom you discuss this issue. Also point out that the recurring violence always seems to happen in a place with laws or rules against carrying.

55 posted on 02/17/2008 9:13:11 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: brwnsuga

“I think there should be some sort of review on how weapons are sold online”

Go here (gunbroker.com) and try to buy a firearm, see what you have to DO! You still need to go to a FFL and fill out a NICS form and get background checked, then you recieve the weapon you paid for. Don’t be misled by the lame msm.


56 posted on 02/17/2008 9:47:02 AM PST by mr_hammer (Checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night...stupid dog?)
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To: TNdandelion
I'm biased because I've seen it with my own eyes in my own family and friends. To compare it to blood pressure medicine is ridiculous. Just "Google" SSRI withdrawal and read some testimonies. Different people may have different experiences, but all you need is one bad one to have a massacre at a school. You cannot deny that ALL school shooters have either been on SSRI's or getting off of them. They are anti psychotics and change your brain chemistry( I believe forever).

Do the Google search and then decide if the Pharma companies would tell you if it posed a threat. Did your doctor, before prescribing, find out if you were just a little "blue", or had you threatened to drown your babies like the Houston mother did? Most women feel a let down after childbirth until their hormones adjust. Women have gotten along just fine for thousands of years without SSRI's after childbirth. The woman in Houston that drowned her children was just off her SSRI's. How many of these stories did we hear about before say, 1980? How many now, after SSRI's?

To just believe that somehow people are just different today, is naive. Is there any government agency keeping track of murderers and suicides are on or off meds at the time?

Whether you believe it or not, don't you think it's worth looking into before we ban the second amendment? I'm 56 years old and when I was growing up, I took my guns to school to hunt after school. I walked downtown with guns over my shoulder many times walking from the Army-Navy Store( where I bought ammo) to home and to the Texas City Dike and the city dump. Nobody ever thought a thing about it. I belonged to a gun/shooting club when I was 9 years old and carried my gun to the ice house to shoot competition. Nobody ever shot anybody and suicides were few and far between. Today, I'm frightened to even put a gun in a car in case someone may see and call the cops on me. If you see your neighbor putting his gun in his car and it's not hunting season, do you secretly wonder if he's going to a school or a mall to get even with his wife for a cold dinner? Times have changed, but I think people have changed more. Just like the Freeper that had Oxycontin offered for pain, in the old days, you just took some asprin and maybe a hit of Black Jack for good measure. Now, when you walk in the door, you walk out with a scrip for SSRI's because you don't "feel" good.

57 posted on 02/17/2008 10:46:44 AM PST by chuckles
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To: spunkets
Looks like the hysteria was fueled by the idiot business owner to me.

In my opinion he took a pro-active action in order to prevent future unwarranted and biased scrutiny into his totally legitimate business.......I commend him for his action.

58 posted on 02/17/2008 2:29:10 PM PST by Hot Tabasco ( Donĺt go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I get it now. Once the lawsuits start (elliot spitzer copycats) dealers will be scared out of business. Interesting strategy by the emasculators.

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"

~Senator Charles Schumer, 1993

59 posted on 02/17/2008 5:36:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
one has to wonder: why the obsession? aren't there more pressing problems? why must guns be controlled by politicians?
60 posted on 02/17/2008 5:38:59 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (gravity offends me.)
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