Posted on 02/17/2008 10:20:04 AM PST by calcowgirl
Liberal Democrats must love you people. They have you right where they want you. You’re like children who did not get their way, so you’re taking your toys home. You had rather see Hillary or Obama elected rather than vote for McCain. You’re thinking only of yourself and really don’t care about the nation unless you get your way. I’m no McCain fan, but I am sure as hell not going to refuse to vote and let the Dems have free reign to drive this nation further into the ground with socialism and isolationism. Stop pouting and grow up!
McCain’s “conservative” record. My collection.
FR links on McCain's record from Feb. 2000. MrChips collection.
Neither one? Aw come on. Tell me. I voted 3rd party once.
I have a feeling that, whether McCain wins the GE or not, moderate Republicans will start asserting themselves in the coming years.
I don’t think they have a choice, they’re getting slaughtered at the polls for policies they don’t personally support but vote for out of party loyalty. That’s only workable if the Movement types give the moderates something from time to time so they can keep their seats. We don’t seem to be in that place, I don’t think we’ve been there since 1994.
Think of Jim Jeffords. A few million into special ed funding, and he stays a Republican. The amount of money involved was ridiculously small, about the size of a modest earmark. And the Movement types said no way, and reduced their majority by a seat. That one seat ended up being pretty significant.
Think of Linc Chaffee. All he needed was like 1 or 2 moderate achievements to keep his seat. (He opposed everything Bush ever wanted, would not have taken much for him to keep his seat.) But the party leadership said no Linc, you get absolutely nothing. Now vote to intervene in the Schiavo case.
There are not enough districts/states in the nation with the demos to give Movement Conservatism any sort of working power base in Congress. You need the Chaffees, and McCains. By contrast, if the moderate to liberal wing of the party decides to align with centrist Dems, you’re going to see a whole slew of ultimately bad but temporarily extremely popular bills designed to rebrand moderate Republicans in areas where they are now extinct.
Btw did you hear Charles Barkely the other day? “The word conservatism just makes me sick.” This guy used to be a Republican.
Whew! You got a problem with Thomas Jefferson now, too?
But good, again.
Why thank you, your high-and-mighty-ness.
Now, is Iran at present one of those enemies, though somewhat undeclared as to open warfare?
Is there a particular reason you think I should answer all of your questions, but my posts to you, correcting your errors, did not generate even an acknowledgement? Just curious... before we carry this little charade out any further.
You gave more than two options. Either or can’t be an answer to a multiple choice question/speculation. My answer was to your final summation. Gore? Are you nuts?
The documented reference where democrat Bill Press implores his liberal friends to stop supporting McCain?
Bill Press: All Aboard the McCain Double Talk Express
Or here:
Press: All aboard for McCain's Double-Talk Express
"To all my friends, Democrats and Independents, who have told me they'd consider voting for John McCain in November, I have only two words.
PLEASE DON'T.
For the sake of God, country and Mother Theresa, wise up.
Now that it's clear he's going to be the Republican nominee for president, it's time to end our love affair with John McCain."
I just figgered it’d be fun to try to guess which years you voted 3rd party. So it wasn’t 92 or 00? What years was it? I voted 3rd party in 00.
You think that conservatives who won't cede their principles to vote for McRino, a man who abandoned the Republican platform and works against the principles of conservatism, are having a "hissy fit?"
Who aren't conservatives, incidentally. They are "in name only", fair weather birds, who wouldn't know a duty it it bit them.
Your partisan colors are showing, a position that you obviously place above principles, IMO.
Those, I'd just as soon left politics altogether to take up knitting, and leave it to the grown ups.
Well! You seem to be just the type of egotist that HL Richardson described in his article. How quaint.
Ditto! Write in Hunter!
OK, I’ve answered your question about my votes as far as I’m going to. I have a question for you. Why don’t you argue the case for McCain on his merits rather than on insults, threats and accusations? Wouldn’t that be a more logical means to win minds and hearts?
Of course we’d be against him in the primaries. But he’s the victor. Now, 60% say they’ll vote for him. That means the sit-out crowd is, not surprisingly, a minority of a minority. And many of you are regular 3rd party voters (sit-outers) anyway, I suspect.
Aw. Spoil sport.
I have a question for you. Why don’t you argue the case for McCain on his merits rather than on insults, threats and accusations?
Threats? What threat did I make? Insults? I don't even think I've done that. I call the decision to sit out foolish, and those who are falling for it fools. I guess that's an insult, but I think it's accurate. Accusations? I don't think I made any of those, either.
Wouldn’t that be a more logical means to win minds and hearts?
I'm not trying to win hearts and minds. I'm just trying to expose/analyze/understand you sit-outers. I'm trying to make clear the consequences of your choice. Everyone can make up their own mind. I'm just laying facts on the table.
ROFL!
OK, you were brave enough to admit voting 3rd party in 00. (who?) My mistake in conflating Gore into it before, simply forgot the 3rd party angle to the question. Fast thread. I didn’t say no to ‘92. ‘92 and ‘94. The second time was admittedly ill thought out. The first time can go straight to GHWBs door with his “New World Order,” publicly condemning the NRA and “no new taxes.” Emphasis on dissing the NRA. (McCain has big 2nd Amend. problems too.)
“McCain is still a better choice than OBAMA, and he’s shown a willingness to do business with us, now that he needs us. Thats politics. But, I realize, the base prefers to have OBAMA. So McCain probably will lose. But it won’t be his fault. He’s being himself, and he won fair and square.”
I have never seen anyone try harder to guilt trip conservatives into voting for McCain, someone who has stabbed conservatives in the back more times than I can count.
First, I am not sure the base prefers Obama to McCain. They are disgusted by both. They may have more immediate, visceral and tangible reasons to detest McCain. They have never felt betrayed by Obama. They know he is the enemy.
Not voting for McCain serves a couple of purposes. First, we do not reward someone who has done more than anyone else to shred our 1st amendment rights. I am not sure the RATS could have passed McCain-Feingold without McCain’s unflagging efforts to ram this legislation through. It is his proudest legislative achievement. I want to tell my children that I did everything I could to punish the man who stole some of our precious liberties.
Second, punishing McCain sends a message loud and clear to the RNC and all other RINOs that they will pay a heavy price for stealing our liberties, taking our hard earned money, not securing our borders and rewarding criminals (illegal immigrants). Punishing RINOs is the first step in rebuilding a Republican Party that promotes all the freedoms and opportunities conservatives cherish and hold dear.
Third, not voting for McCain does not mean I want Obama or Clinton to be President. No, voting for them would mean that. Your logic that states if you are not for McCain means you want Obama to be President is also flawed. No, again, voting for Obama means that. That is simple logic. There is a difference between voting for Obama and not voting for Obama. By your flawed logic not voting for Obama would mean I also wanted McCain to win. Do you see the fallacy in your logic. It is simple and irrefutably flawed!
Also, McCain did not win by being himself. He lied and lied repeatedly. He said he was a conservative Ronald Reagan Republican. That is plainly a lie.
You mean 96, right? Thanks for answering. 92 was the easy one. The other, as I said, was a toss up between 96 or 00. I voted Libertarian Party in 00. It was a waste of time. After that, I learned my lesson. In the primaries, try to get the best you can get. In the general, pick one of the two. Sitting out or voting fringe is a meaningless waste of time.
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