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Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat
The Peninsula ^ | January 19, 2008 | Satish Kanady

Posted on 02/17/2008 5:05:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Dogubayazit (Turkey’s Iran-Armenian Border) • For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noah’s Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with “material evidence”, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkey’s highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia.

A panel of experts, comprising Turkish authorities, veteran mountaineers, archaeologists, geologists and members of Hong Kong-based Noah’s Ark Ministries International, also displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood before the media and specially invited international experts.

The experts claimed it to be a part of a long structure they had unearthed during their February-August 2007 exploration. “It is for the first time in the history of the Ark search that an exploration team is getting a material evidence and graphic documentation. This makes it not only a the significant breakthrough in the Ark-search, but one that is supported with the most substantial evidence in recent history,” the panel said.

The revelation is expected to open up a fresh chapter in the ongoing debates in the scientific community on the search for Noah’s Ark.

Narrating the genesis of their exploration on Mount Ararat, the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible, the panel said the search team had made several foiled attempts before unearthing the evidence at an altitude of 4,500-metres of the estimated 5,165 metre volcanic mountain.

“The structure was discovered in the interiors of an unusual cave. The 11.5m wide and 2.6m high white wooden texture was revealed after removing thick layers of volcanic ash on the cave wall,” panel members said at a press conference.

One of the underlying issues in the search for the Ark is the proper identification of its wood fragments. A petrographic examination carried out by the Applied Geoscience Centre of the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Hong Kong, identified the object as a petrified wooden structure, the panel said.

“Some of the big holes found on the structure indicate the locations where branches used to grow on tree. In places, original holes are partly or completely replaced by individual minerals and crystalline materials that can be found in rock materials,” said Dr Ahmet Ozbek, a panel member, who is also a faculty of Geology Engineering Kahramanmara Suctcu Imam University.

Dismissing the possibilities of the structure being wood that could appear naturally around the discovery site, Professor Oktay Belli, director, Eurasian Archaeology Institute, University of Istanbul, said researches have proved that there was no vegetation on Mount Ararat ever since 2000BC, because of the asperities of Ararat’s climate.

Talking to The Peninsula, Cemalettin Demircioglu, Dogubayazit City Governor, under whose jurisdiction the mount is located, said the civic body will invite more international experts to conduct further scientific studies on Mount Ararat.

“History has more than one times corroborated the legendary evidence that the ark was nestled on Mount Ararat. We will introduce the latest findings to the world and continue the scientific study. All interested scientists and NGOs can join our missions” he said. However, he said, those who are involved in the project must ensure the findings are not used politically, religiously, or for any vested interest.

Located in the Far Eastern Turkey, Ararat is great prize for mountain collectors. Ark sighting has often been reported from this mountain. The observation of Vessel-shaped features in aerial photograph of Ararat had caused a stir in the late 1950’s. However, this is the first time an exploration team is coming out with “material evidence”.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: ararat; bible; catastrophism; christianity; genesis; godsgravesglyphs; judaism; noah; noahsark; proof; turkey
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let me know when they find petrified lions poop and Llama poop in close proximity of one another.


151 posted on 02/18/2008 7:22:05 AM PST by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas...most my friends are bananas)
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To: Inyo-Mono

What a great tagline.


152 posted on 02/18/2008 7:56:26 AM PST by tillacum (The only way to vote is REPUBLICAN, no matter what. We've got to win.)
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To: MrPiper

Just checked, apparently wood can be petrified in “hundreds or thousands of years” Or 2 days in a lab.


153 posted on 02/18/2008 7:59:58 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: DollyCali

Well, with Glowbull Warming, the ice might melt and free the boat. HUH?? Hi Dolly.


154 posted on 02/18/2008 8:01:39 AM PST by tillacum (The only way to vote is REPUBLICAN, no matter what. We've got to win.)
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To: scrabblehack

That’s what I love about FR, there are so many smart people. I think I learn more here than I did in college. Wait...I KNOW I learn more here... Thank you!
susie


155 posted on 02/18/2008 8:17:01 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: tillacum

Hey sweetie~ Well the way my friends have experienced winter, I expect anohter foot of ice a month atop the “find”


156 posted on 02/18/2008 8:20:53 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: Sols
Surely any and every ancient piece of wood must be the Ark.. nevermind that a wooden boat of the size of the Ark has never been documented anywhere besides the Bible, much less been found.

Point is, how would a wood structure get to the top of that mountain?

157 posted on 02/18/2008 8:44:23 AM PST by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: timer

You were there? Amazing!
susie


158 posted on 02/18/2008 8:51:39 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: NicknamedBob
You seem to not appreciate my point that the record of interest to me is that laid down by the hand of God and nature...

I can appreciate that, but take care you don't eliminate anything, since it's ALL been done and being done with His hand. The earth has been and very likely will continue to be a violent place would you agree? Alls I know is there is plentiful evidence around the world of cataclysmic events, some within human history - for those that will but see. Why He made it so I haven't a clue.

There are stories/myths/legends from around the world of, for example, the flood. You can choose not to believe ANY of them or you can do as others have and search in every nook and cranny for evidence that may support the story. Your choice.

But it also tends to open one's eyes to the chicanery of the fast-talking charlatans who will present only that presumed "evidence" that seems to confirm their current-day pet theory.

If by that you mean catastrophic changes affecting the earth, it is an old hypothesis; very old. The latest pet theory, if you will, is just the opposite.

Best,

159 posted on 02/18/2008 9:05:43 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Sudetenland
Any webpage that mentions Alantis in an attempt at serious scientific conversation has already left the real universe.

What IS that shrill yapping sound and that annoying nipping at my heels??? Oh, it's you...

160 posted on 02/18/2008 9:09:41 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Sudetenland

LOL at least it’s a starting point. Of course that’s assuming a cubit has always been even in that range. I have no idea.
susie


161 posted on 02/18/2008 9:27:17 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Hiddigeigei

Water twenty-two and a half feet above Mount Everest. Wow! How did they know how deep it was? I reckon old Noah must have paddled over there and dropped a plumb line.

+++++++++++++++

Or God told us.


162 posted on 02/18/2008 9:30:54 AM PST by fproy2222
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To: MrPiper
Ah, how many millions of years does it take to petrify wood?

I would suppose that depends on the process. Since Arafat is described here as a volcano, the process might be quite rapid. After all, they did find petrified people when they dug up Pompeii. That gives an upper bound on the least time needed to petrify organic remains of about 2000 years.

163 posted on 02/18/2008 10:51:01 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: slowhandluke

Argh.... Ararat, not Arafat.


164 posted on 02/18/2008 10:52:19 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I had a dollar for everytime this was reported, I’d have more money than the Vatican.


165 posted on 02/18/2008 10:53:24 AM PST by toddlintown (Ronald Reagan would vote for McCain, just like he sucked it up and supported Gerry Ford.)
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To: Tax-chick
It’s amazing that, in the 21st Century, a place could be so remote that it’s resistant to archaeological study.

It is not just the remoteness of that region of Turkey, but the nature of the local inhabitants which has caused difficulties in any possible search.

The area is rugged, and populated with fierce folk who answer only to themselves, and not Turkish law. These folks are extremely suspicious of outsiders, and have been known to kill them on sight. Thus, the Turkish government issues few permits for archaeological expeditions to the Ararat region, as they don't wish to deal with the ramifications of a slaughtered archaeological team.

the infowarrior

166 posted on 02/18/2008 11:02:55 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: Sudetenland

Well, Jesus believed in Adam and Eve. And so did Paul. Good enough for them, good enough for me.

Just remembered to tell you that Noah lived for six hundred years. Lost of propagating going on then.


167 posted on 02/18/2008 11:05:48 AM PST by IreneE (Live for nothing or die for something.)
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To: fproy2222
Noah an' Jonah an' Cap'n John Smith,
Mariners, travelers, magazines of myth,
Settin' up in Heaven, chewin' and
a-chawin'
Eatin' their terbaccy, talkin' and a-jawin';
Settin' by a crick, spittin' in the worter,
Talkin' tall an' tactless, as saints hadn't orter,
Lollin' in the shade, baitin' hooks and anglin',
Occasionally friendly, occasionally wranglin'.

Noah took his halo from his old bald head
An' swatted of a hoppergrass an' knocked it dead,
An' he baited of his hook, an' he spoke an' said:
"When I was the Skipper of the tight leetle Ark
I useter fish fer porpus, useter fish fer shark,
Often I have ketched in a single hour on Monday
Sharks enough to feed the fambly till Sunday—
To feed all the sarpints, the tigers an' donkeys,
To feed all the zebras, the insects an' monkeys,
To feed all the varmints, bears an' gorillars,
To feed all the camels, cats an' armadillers,
To give all the pelicans stews for their gizzards,
To feed all the owls an' catamounts an' lizards,
To feed all the humans, their babies an' their
nusses,
To feed all the houn' dawgs an' hippopotamusses,
To feed all the oxens, feed all the asses,
Feed all the bison an' leetle hoppergrasses—
Always I ketched, in half a hour on Monday
All that the fambly could gormandize till Sunday!"

Jonah took his harp, to strum and to string her,
An' Cap'n John Smith teched his nose with his
Finger.
Cap'n John Smith, he hemmed some an' hawed
some,
An' he bit off a chaw, an' he chewed some and
chawed some:—
168 posted on 02/18/2008 11:10:33 AM PST by Hiddigeigei (Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. [Arnold Toynbee])
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To: IreneE

Yep, incest at its best.


169 posted on 02/18/2008 11:42:06 AM PST by Sudetenland (McQueeg or Obama? McQueeg or Obama? Emotionally Unstable or Socialist? Decisions decisions!)
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To: Salvavida

Ping to that link.

Thanks for posting that! Thats absolutely facinating!


170 posted on 02/18/2008 11:44:47 AM PST by Danae (Remember: Obama = Pull out from Iraq. PLAN on voting, or accept responsibility for the consequences.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Nah, that's your tin-hat rattling moonbat. Atlantis is a pagan legend related by Plato...not much there concerning Judeo-Christian beliefs. Plato also believed in Zeus and Hera. Does that mean I should believe that we learned of fire because Prometheus stole it from Zeus?

Have fun in your alternate universe...you haven't taking your meds lately have you?
171 posted on 02/18/2008 11:48:51 AM PST by Sudetenland (McQueeg or Obama? McQueeg or Obama? Emotionally Unstable or Socialist? Decisions decisions!)
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To: toddlintown

Impossible! The Vatican is richer than the Vatican. :)


172 posted on 02/18/2008 11:50:38 AM PST by Sudetenland (McQueeg or Obama? McQueeg or Obama? Emotionally Unstable or Socialist? Decisions decisions!)
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To: Hiddigeigei
Just a guess, I heard an opinion, that after God had His animals enter the Ark, He had them sleep a deep sleep, so they would be little trouble for His human caretakers.
173 posted on 02/18/2008 12:03:30 PM PST by fproy2222
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
So how do we exactly do a gopher wood test?

Put it in a box of dirt. See if it tries to dig a hole.

Or maybe that's the the dogwood test....

174 posted on 02/18/2008 12:06:00 PM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: Cvengr
Ah, how many millions of years does it take to petrify wood? Depends how frequently Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton, or Helen Thomas had been in proximity.

In their case, I don't think it would be possible to petrify wood without pharmaceuticals (taken in unhealthy quantities).

175 posted on 02/18/2008 12:09:53 PM PST by r9etb
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To: tillacum

Thanks! I agree with yours too.


176 posted on 02/18/2008 12:19:42 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: 75thOVI; AFPhys; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; ...
Uh-oh, global warming has exposed Noah's Ark. ;')
 
Catastrophism
 
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177 posted on 02/18/2008 12:20:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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178 posted on 02/18/2008 12:21:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

bookmark!


179 posted on 02/18/2008 12:23:01 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Tax-chick
On the other hand, that thrill-seeking pilot Mr. Fossett was just declared dead

They lost no time in declaring him legally dead. Only 5 months. With a man of his wealth, they were in a hurry to divvy up his money!

180 posted on 02/18/2008 12:26:06 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Sudetenland
In case you haven't noticed, it's standard procedure on this forum, particularly for nOObs, to begin waving their arms and flinging ad hominems when falling behind. That is, when you run out of PC evidence to support your inane positions, you begin scrambling for anything that might work instead of doing your homework to develop your emotion laced argument.

Begone mutt, you truly bore me.

181 posted on 02/18/2008 12:31:45 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: uglybiker

“Want some gopher, Everett?”


182 posted on 02/18/2008 1:13:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: r9etb

You are SO bad!


183 posted on 02/18/2008 1:13:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sudetenland
 
I am fully aware of the implications of Adam and Eve...that is why I do not believe the Creation story literally. There are far too many contradictions.
 

 

Then you will have to toss these verses out, too.

Acts 17:26-27
26. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
27. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

 

Romans 5:12-21
12. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
13. for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15. But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16. Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18. Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19. For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20. The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21. so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

If there were no one man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.

If Adam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.

If SIN did NOT enter the World thru the one man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.

Are we to believe that the one man is symbolic? Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?

The Theory of Evolution states that there WAS no one man, but a wide population that managed to inherit that last mutated gene that makes MEN different from APES.

Acts 17:24-26

24. "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
25. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.
26.
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

Was LUKE wrong about this?

 

1 Corinthians 11:8-9
8. For
man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
9. neither was man
created for woman, but woman for man.

1 Timothy 2:13
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.


Was Paul
WRONG about these???

 

If so, is GOD so puny that He allows this 'inaccuracy' in His Word??

 


 

Genesis 2:18
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

184 posted on 02/18/2008 1:19:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sudetenland
If you believe the story of Noah, as written in the Bible, then you are forced to believe that God encourages and endorses incest.

Uh...

Isn't the problem the same as with Adam & Eve?

185 posted on 02/18/2008 1:21:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fproy2222

good catch!


186 posted on 02/18/2008 1:23:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MrPiper
Ah, how many millions of years does it take to petrify wood?

Under the right conditions, it can be done in a matter of days.
187 posted on 02/18/2008 1:25:53 PM PST by aruanan
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To: NicknamedBob; RikaStrom

for home


188 posted on 02/18/2008 1:37:47 PM PST by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: Renderofveils

Paleontology and bibliology are two different sciences, so it would be unwise to try to make any comparisons. But I do believe in the premise that fossils and skeletons have been manipulated in sad attempts to prove macro evolution. There is some evidence as such (Ref: The Case for a Creator, Strobel, page 59).

As for the Bible, I believe there are, and have been, agents throughout history that have tried to twist, and even change biblical truth. The Apostle Paul marveled that the church at Galatia so early had clung to a false gospel; so it was happening the early church in the first century (Gal 1:6-7). I don’t think those attempts have stopped. Satan, doesn’t stop.

But I underscore that we have a direct promise from God that He will preserve His Word forever. So the question is not how many times we can count reconstruction, inferior manuscripts, or whatever. The question is: Did God preserve His Word?

He said he did. Ps 12:6-7, Ps 119:152, Ps 119:89, Mt 24:35, 1 Pe:23.

The second question is: Can we dust for fingerprints across history to piece it together?

I say yes. There are many good authors on the subject. My favorite is “Final Authority”, by Dr William P Grady. Key in on the Hebrew Masoretic and the Greek Received Text.

God Bless.


189 posted on 02/18/2008 1:38:03 PM PST by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)
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To: aruanan

You might have to...

See Alice.


190 posted on 02/18/2008 1:38:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In a separate study of the wooden artifact, a Vatican spokesman indicated that many believed it was a fragment of the True Cross.

Samples would not be surrendered for dating

191 posted on 02/18/2008 1:55:37 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Non-Sequitur

about 2.1


192 posted on 02/18/2008 1:57:35 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Elsie

Mineralization that preserves structures on the subcellular level has to be very rapid. Also, commercial processes can do this in a matter of days.


193 posted on 02/18/2008 2:04:12 PM PST by aruanan
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To: ForGod'sSake
"The earth has been and very likely will continue to be a violent place would you agree?"

The Earth was born in fire and catastrophe approximately five billion years ago.

In another five billion years, it will again face similar conditions as the sun expands to a red dwarf stage.

Between those two extremes, a window of opportunity for life, and for humanity. Make of it what you will.

Punctuations of disaster and opportunity have served to goad and guide us to reach, ultimately, for the stars.

One way or another, humanity will find God.

194 posted on 02/18/2008 2:15:00 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Hillary is a member of the Senate, but the house is circling overhead . . .)
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To: uglybiker
The Luther bible say Tannenholz, i.e., pine wood.
195 posted on 02/18/2008 2:18:29 PM PST by Hiddigeigei (Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. [Arnold Toynbee])
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To: brytlea; timer
"You were there? Amazing!"
susie

You wonder about whether he was there, but you accept my outrageous contention two posts earlier that I was?

See my home page for my documentary evidence. (Hint: "... somewhere they broke a dam ...")

196 posted on 02/18/2008 2:25:53 PM PST by NicknamedBob (Hillary is a member of the Senate, but the house is circling overhead . . .)
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To: fproy2222
Just a guess, I heard an opinion, that after God had His animals enter the Ark, He had them sleep a deep sleep, so they would be little trouble for His human caretakers.
Sounds like a good idea! Maybe God should just have stored their DNA and reconstituted them; or just have recreated them de novo. Certainly would have save Noah a lot of trouble, but that's just my opinion. Who am I to tell God what to do?
197 posted on 02/18/2008 2:26:57 PM PST by Hiddigeigei (Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. [Arnold Toynbee])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Muslims will NOT like this because they claim Noah's’s Ark is some where else. This won’t match up with their lies. Why do you think it’s so difficult to get to that area?

MUSLIMS!!!

198 posted on 02/18/2008 2:27:06 PM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: AliVeritas

“oh, and the Bible said so.”

What “Christian” reads that book? (Sarcasm)

;)

Of course it says that but many have itchin ears and don’t bother reading the Bible and have NO FAITH on what it says een if they have read that part.


199 posted on 02/18/2008 2:28:39 PM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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They lost no time in declaring him legally dead.

It seems quick to me, too, but I suppose his being missing under these conditions, as opposed to disappearing without an obvious cause, is sufficient for a legal presumption of death.

200 posted on 02/18/2008 2:32:56 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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