Skip to comments.Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat
Posted on 02/17/2008 5:05:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Dogubayazit (Turkeys Iran-Armenian Border) For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noahs Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with material evidence, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkeys highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia.
A panel of experts, comprising Turkish authorities, veteran mountaineers, archaeologists, geologists and members of Hong Kong-based Noahs Ark Ministries International, also displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood before the media and specially invited international experts.
The experts claimed it to be a part of a long structure they had unearthed during their February-August 2007 exploration. It is for the first time in the history of the Ark search that an exploration team is getting a material evidence and graphic documentation. This makes it not only a the significant breakthrough in the Ark-search, but one that is supported with the most substantial evidence in recent history, the panel said.
The revelation is expected to open up a fresh chapter in the ongoing debates in the scientific community on the search for Noahs Ark.
Narrating the genesis of their exploration on Mount Ararat, the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible, the panel said the search team had made several foiled attempts before unearthing the evidence at an altitude of 4,500-metres of the estimated 5,165 metre volcanic mountain.
The structure was discovered in the interiors of an unusual cave. The 11.5m wide and 2.6m high white wooden texture was revealed after removing thick layers of volcanic ash on the cave wall, panel members said at a press conference.
One of the underlying issues in the search for the Ark is the proper identification of its wood fragments. A petrographic examination carried out by the Applied Geoscience Centre of the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Hong Kong, identified the object as a petrified wooden structure, the panel said.
Some of the big holes found on the structure indicate the locations where branches used to grow on tree. In places, original holes are partly or completely replaced by individual minerals and crystalline materials that can be found in rock materials, said Dr Ahmet Ozbek, a panel member, who is also a faculty of Geology Engineering Kahramanmara Suctcu Imam University.
Dismissing the possibilities of the structure being wood that could appear naturally around the discovery site, Professor Oktay Belli, director, Eurasian Archaeology Institute, University of Istanbul, said researches have proved that there was no vegetation on Mount Ararat ever since 2000BC, because of the asperities of Ararats climate.
Talking to The Peninsula, Cemalettin Demircioglu, Dogubayazit City Governor, under whose jurisdiction the mount is located, said the civic body will invite more international experts to conduct further scientific studies on Mount Ararat.
History has more than one times corroborated the legendary evidence that the ark was nestled on Mount Ararat. We will introduce the latest findings to the world and continue the scientific study. All interested scientists and NGOs can join our missions he said. However, he said, those who are involved in the project must ensure the findings are not used politically, religiously, or for any vested interest.
Located in the Far Eastern Turkey, Ararat is great prize for mountain collectors. Ark sighting has often been reported from this mountain. The observation of Vessel-shaped features in aerial photograph of Ararat had caused a stir in the late 1950s. However, this is the first time an exploration team is coming out with material evidence.
Let me know when they find petrified lions poop and Llama poop in close proximity of one another.
What a great tagline.
Just checked, apparently wood can be petrified in “hundreds or thousands of years” Or 2 days in a lab.
Well, with Glowbull Warming, the ice might melt and free the boat. HUH?? Hi Dolly.
That’s what I love about FR, there are so many smart people. I think I learn more here than I did in college. Wait...I KNOW I learn more here... Thank you!
Hey sweetie~ Well the way my friends have experienced winter, I expect anohter foot of ice a month atop the “find”
Point is, how would a wood structure get to the top of that mountain?
You were there? Amazing!
I can appreciate that, but take care you don't eliminate anything, since it's ALL been done and being done with His hand. The earth has been and very likely will continue to be a violent place would you agree? Alls I know is there is plentiful evidence around the world of cataclysmic events, some within human history - for those that will but see. Why He made it so I haven't a clue.
There are stories/myths/legends from around the world of, for example, the flood. You can choose not to believe ANY of them or you can do as others have and search in every nook and cranny for evidence that may support the story. Your choice.
But it also tends to open one's eyes to the chicanery of the fast-talking charlatans who will present only that presumed "evidence" that seems to confirm their current-day pet theory.
If by that you mean catastrophic changes affecting the earth, it is an old hypothesis; very old. The latest pet theory, if you will, is just the opposite.
What IS that shrill yapping sound and that annoying nipping at my heels??? Oh, it's you...
LOL at least it’s a starting point. Of course that’s assuming a cubit has always been even in that range. I have no idea.
Water twenty-two and a half feet above Mount Everest. Wow! How did they know how deep it was? I reckon old Noah must have paddled over there and dropped a plumb line.
Or God told us.
I would suppose that depends on the process. Since Arafat is described here as a volcano, the process might be quite rapid. After all, they did find petrified people when they dug up Pompeii. That gives an upper bound on the least time needed to petrify organic remains of about 2000 years.
Argh.... Ararat, not Arafat.
If I had a dollar for everytime this was reported, I’d have more money than the Vatican.
It is not just the remoteness of that region of Turkey, but the nature of the local inhabitants which has caused difficulties in any possible search.
The area is rugged, and populated with fierce folk who answer only to themselves, and not Turkish law. These folks are extremely suspicious of outsiders, and have been known to kill them on sight. Thus, the Turkish government issues few permits for archaeological expeditions to the Ararat region, as they don't wish to deal with the ramifications of a slaughtered archaeological team.
Well, Jesus believed in Adam and Eve. And so did Paul. Good enough for them, good enough for me.
Just remembered to tell you that Noah lived for six hundred years. Lost of propagating going on then.
Yep, incest at its best.
Ping to that link.
Thanks for posting that! Thats absolutely facinating!
Impossible! The Vatican is richer than the Vatican. :)
Put it in a box of dirt. See if it tries to dig a hole.
Or maybe that's the the dogwood test....
In their case, I don't think it would be possible to petrify wood without pharmaceuticals (taken in unhealthy quantities).
Thanks! I agree with yours too.
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They lost no time in declaring him legally dead. Only 5 months. With a man of his wealth, they were in a hurry to divvy up his money!
Begone mutt, you truly bore me.
“Want some gopher, Everett?”
You are SO bad!
Then you will have to toss these verses out, too.
Then you will have to toss these verses out, too.
26. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
27. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.
12. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
13. for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15. But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16. Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18. Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19. For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20. The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21. so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
If there were noone man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.
IfAdam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.
If SIN did NOT enter the World thru theone man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.
Are we to believe that theone man is symbolic? Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?
The Theory of Evolution states that there WAS no one man, but a wide population that managed to inherit that last mutated gene that makes MEN different from APES.
24. "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
Was LUKEwrong about this?
1 Corinthians 11:8-9 1 Timothy 2:13
1 Corinthians 11:8-9
1 Timothy 2:13
If so, is GOD so puny that He allows this 'inaccuracy' in His Word??
If so, is GOD so puny that He allows this 'inaccuracy' in His Word??
The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
Isn't the problem the same as with Adam & Eve?
Paleontology and bibliology are two different sciences, so it would be unwise to try to make any comparisons. But I do believe in the premise that fossils and skeletons have been manipulated in sad attempts to prove macro evolution. There is some evidence as such (Ref: The Case for a Creator, Strobel, page 59).
As for the Bible, I believe there are, and have been, agents throughout history that have tried to twist, and even change biblical truth. The Apostle Paul marveled that the church at Galatia so early had clung to a false gospel; so it was happening the early church in the first century (Gal 1:6-7). I don’t think those attempts have stopped. Satan, doesn’t stop.
But I underscore that we have a direct promise from God that He will preserve His Word forever. So the question is not how many times we can count reconstruction, inferior manuscripts, or whatever. The question is: Did God preserve His Word?
He said he did. Ps 12:6-7, Ps 119:152, Ps 119:89, Mt 24:35, 1 Pe:23.
The second question is: Can we dust for fingerprints across history to piece it together?
I say yes. There are many good authors on the subject. My favorite is “Final Authority”, by Dr William P Grady. Key in on the Hebrew Masoretic and the Greek Received Text.
You might have to...
Samples would not be surrendered for dating
Mineralization that preserves structures on the subcellular level has to be very rapid. Also, commercial processes can do this in a matter of days.
The Earth was born in fire and catastrophe approximately five billion years ago.
In another five billion years, it will again face similar conditions as the sun expands to a red dwarf stage.
Between those two extremes, a window of opportunity for life, and for humanity. Make of it what you will.
Punctuations of disaster and opportunity have served to goad and guide us to reach, ultimately, for the stars.
One way or another, humanity will find God.
You wonder about whether he was there, but you accept my outrageous contention two posts earlier that I was?
See my home page for my documentary evidence. (Hint: "... somewhere they broke a dam ...")
“oh, and the Bible said so.”
What “Christian” reads that book? (Sarcasm)
Of course it says that but many have itchin ears and don’t bother reading the Bible and have NO FAITH on what it says een if they have read that part.
It seems quick to me, too, but I suppose his being missing under these conditions, as opposed to disappearing without an obvious cause, is sufficient for a legal presumption of death.