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Should Barak and Michelle Obama be worried?
worrisome vanity | Feb 20, 2008 | rface

Posted on 02/20/2008 8:40:01 AM PST by rface

Up until now – the Democrat Primaries have been more a source of amusement than a cause for concern. I have watched the blooming of Hillary’s inevitability wilt beneath the hot rhetoric of Obama’s win after win after win, and I have enjoyed the circus. I have watched Bill’s temper flare and I have imagined the “behind the scenes” raging of a pre-ordained President unable to meet her rendezvous with destiny. I have witnessed the enthusiasm of Hillary For President! fanatics fade away into an almost shamed silence. But – I remember the ruthless politics of the Clinton White House. I remember the personal destruction of Katherine Willey, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers and Monica. These women paid a price for being a political obstacle….. and there were many other women who paid a similar price.

Now I also remember others who paid a price for standing in the path of the Clinton Political Borg. Vincent Foster knows what I am thinking. The Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas got in the Clinton’s way. Michelle and Barak Obama are now standing squarely in defiance to the ambitions of Bill and Hillary. I wonder if what I am thinking has ever crossed the minds of either Bill or Hillary? Maybe Hillary could try to blame the “Haters of the Right”, like Bill tried to do with the Oklahoma City bombing… but I suspect the Clinton fingerprints would be far too evident.


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I don't intend to clutter FR with a useless vanity post --- but I have been thinking last night that a cornered Hillary is a dangerous animal, and as much as I'd like to see Obama (or Hillary) lose in November, I'd like an Obama defete not to end in a typically Clinonesque manner.
1 posted on 02/20/2008 8:40:02 AM PST by rface
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I think the messianic weird stuff going on with Obama is yet more dangerous. Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
2 posted on 02/20/2008 8:41:11 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: rface

There’s a reason Obama has a bigger security detail than Dubya. But I don’t think it’s because of Hillary.


3 posted on 02/20/2008 8:42:31 AM PST by squidly
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To: rface

You forgot Ron Brown.


4 posted on 02/20/2008 8:43:12 AM PST by aj7360
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To: rface

“The reason why I think this isn’t going to go away, unless she apologizes quickly, is because it plays into a stereotype about the left wing of the Democratic Party, that it blames America first, that they don’t see the greatness of America, and it really makes me wonder if somebody who is roughly about Barack and Michelle’s age, what country she grew up in.

“I mean, I was proud of America when we won the Cold War and the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union disintegrated. I was proud when we expelled Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. I was proud when we liberated 50 million people from the Taliban of Saddam Hussein. I was proud when we provided humanitarian aid to the victims of an earthquake in Iran and to a tsunami in Asia.

“I think the other thing it does is it plays into this weakness that’s developing that the Obama candidacy is sort of a modern political equivalent of Beatle mania rather than a legitimate aspiration to be commander-in-chief.”

Ralph Reed, the former Georgia GOP chairman:


5 posted on 02/20/2008 8:43:25 AM PST by IrishMike (I am not a Republican first. I am a conservative.)
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To: rface

In all liklihood, yes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1973380/posts


6 posted on 02/20/2008 8:43:37 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: rface
Hillary wants badly to be on the top of the ticket. In the end, however, she would accept the second slot to ensure a path to power. If she could not turn Obama into a puppet, she could at least arrange an accident.

Remember, most of the hardcore left loves Hillary and Obama. Right now, they just love Obama more.

7 posted on 02/20/2008 8:44:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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In the end, however, she would accept the second slot to ensure a path to power.....

I cannot imagine that happening.

8 posted on 02/20/2008 8:45:28 AM PST by rface
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To: aj7360

yes - I forgot.....now I remember


9 posted on 02/20/2008 8:46:07 AM PST by rface
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To: IrishMike

You said it best!

““I think the other thing it does is it plays into this weakness that’s developing that the Obama candidacy is sort of a modern political equivalent of Beatle mania rather than a legitimate aspiration to be commander-in-chief.”

All Air and no stuff. Listening to his speech last night on Fox (barf) he said nothing other then we have a lot of costly ideas and you will have to pay for them. Everything was give the people more baubles and we will have to raise taxes. “Free Health care just like congress gets”


10 posted on 02/20/2008 8:46:49 AM PST by ncfool (Savage said that Islam is a Peaceful religion. Your very peaceful after they slit your throat!)
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To: rface
They should worry, I think, because Obama is a very beatable candidate in the general election. Shamelessly liberal and absurdly inexperienced.

As for the JFK comparison, I would say any given JFK speech had more substance than all of Obama's appearances put together.

11 posted on 02/20/2008 8:47:16 AM PST by Williams
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To: rface

I’m not worried about Obama. If he’s escaped Sharia law for allegedly becoming an apostate to the Religion of Peace, he’s safe from Arkancide.


12 posted on 02/20/2008 8:49:32 AM PST by cake_crumb (Don't vote Romney in your primary unless you WANT his delegates to go to McCain.)
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To: rface

Should they be worried? Yep. This Clinton thug is facing trial and was caught with explosives:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1973296/posts


13 posted on 02/20/2008 8:50:00 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: rface

I agree. Obama would be crazy to have a power hungry couple around him plotting his layout at Ft Marcy Park.


14 posted on 02/20/2008 8:50:15 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: rface
Should Barak and Michelle Obama be worried?....only if, they take a walk in Ft. Marcy Park.....w/ $hrillary and her minions. :^/
15 posted on 02/20/2008 8:50:34 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you...our hopes were dashed by CINOs :)
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To: rface
In the end, however, she would accept the second slot to ensure a path to power.....

I cannot imagine that happening.

And I can't imagine a more dangerous position for Obama to be in.

16 posted on 02/20/2008 8:51:46 AM PST by giotto
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To: squidly
"There’s a reason Obama has a bigger security detail than Dubya. But I don’t think it’s because of Hillary"

Me either. It's because of all those middle aged, white, NRA card carrying right-wing-religious extremists out there waiting with the sheets and the ropes. Unfortunately, that's just the way those "open minded" progressives think. Their minds are so narrow you could use them as letter openers. THEY think that means they're sharp. **sigh**

17 posted on 02/20/2008 8:52:08 AM PST by cake_crumb (Don't vote Romney in your primary unless you WANT his delegates to go to McCain.)
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To: rface
Should Barak and Michelle Obama be worried?

Two words:

Larry Sinclair.

18 posted on 02/20/2008 8:53:24 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: rface

Remember the term “Arkancide”? I would put NOTHING past the Clintons. They are capable of anything.


19 posted on 02/20/2008 8:54:46 AM PST by MizSterious (If it's Hillary v. McCain, I refuse to vote for EITHER liberal !)
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To: rface

The klintoons have bodies stacked around them like cord wood.

Don’t forget THESE folks:

BARBARA OLSON - Author of “Hell to Pay” - a book critical of Hillary Clinton, killed in the Pentagon bombing.

DARLENE NOVINGER - Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2003. Novinger was known to hold sensitive information on the Clinton and Bush I administration’s drug operations. Her husband murdered March 1987 when she went public with initial reports. Her father died July 8, 1993 four hours after Darlene was a guest on the Tom Valentine show. Suffered retaliation after reporting discussions by government protected drug smuggler who described contacts with Vice President George Bush and his son, Jeb Bush.

DAN MULLONEY, a television news photographer who shot footage of the 1993 Branch Davidian siege.

CHARLES RUFF - White House Counsel and Clinton defense attorney during the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment trial. Of apparent natural causes.

JAMES MCDOUGAL - Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. McDougal was a key witness in Kenneth Starr’s investigation.

MARY MAHONEY - A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit days after Newsweek’s Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER - Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide. Rumours were that Foster and Hillary had an affair.

RON BROWN - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a hole in top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. VICTOR RAISER II - Former National finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign and son MONTGOMERY RAISER died in a private plane crash in Alaska, July 30th,1992. Raiser was described as a major player in the Clinton organization by Dee Dee Meyers.

JEREMY “MIKE” BOORDA, President Clinton’s former Chief of Naval Operations allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest with a .38 caliber pistol on his front lawn in May 1996. The unauthorized wearing of valor pins was the alleged reasoning behind the suicide. By 1998 this reasoning was proved false after the Navy issued a report that said Boorda earned the right to wear the pins afterall.

PAUL TULLEY - Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas September 24, 1992, Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

ED WILLEY - Clinton fund raiser-found dead November 30, 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide, Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed that Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

JERRY PARKS - Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Parks’ son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

JAMES BUNCH - Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

JAMES WILSON - Was found dead by hanging May 18, 1993. Was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

KATHY FERGUSON - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May,1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Corbin Jones lawsuit. She was reported a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones case.

BILL SHELTON - Arkansas state Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

GANDY BAUGH - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by falling out a window of a tall building January, 1991. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

FLORENCE MARTIN - Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Dead of three gunshot wounds.

SUZANNE COLEMAN - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to back of head, ruled a suicide, was pregnant at the time her death.

PAULA GROBER - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

DANNY CASOLARO - Investigative reporter, investigating Mena airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. Found dead with slit his wrists in the middle of his investigation.

PAUL WILCHER - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC Apartment. Had delivered report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

JON PARNELL WALKER - Whitewater Investigator for Resolution Trust Corporation. Fell to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

BARBARA WISE - Commerce Department Staffer, worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

CHARLES MEISSNER - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

DR.STANLEY HEARD - Chair National Chiropractic Heath Care Advisory committee died with his attorney.

STEVE DICKSON - Died in a small plane crash. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

BARRY SEAL - Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas. Death was no accident.

JOHNNY LAWHORN Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

STANLEY MUGGINS - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

HERSHELL FRIDAY - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

KEVIN IVES and DON HENRY - Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas Airport Drug operation. This controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the two had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many people linked to the case died (see below) before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

KEITH CONEY - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck in July, 1988.
KEITH McMASKLE - Died, stabbed 113 times, November 1988.
GREGORY COLLINS - Died from a gunshot wound, January 1989.
JEFF RHODES - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
JAMES MILAN. Found decapitated-Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
JORDAN KETTLESON - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
RICHARD WINTERS - Winters was a suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. Was killed in set-up robbery in July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING FORMER CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
- MAJOR WILLIAM S. BARKLEY JR.
- CAPTAIN SCOTT J.REYNOLDS
- SGT. BRIAN HANEY
- SGT. TIM SABEL
- MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM ROBERTSON
- COL. WILLIAM DENSBERGER
- COL. ROBERT KELLY
- SPEC. GARY RHODES
- STEVE WILLIS
- ROBERT WILLIAMS
- CONWAY LeBLEU
- TODD McKEEHAN

And finally, BUDDY, the Presidential Dog, killed when he was struck by a car after having escaped his kennel.


20 posted on 02/20/2008 8:55:59 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: rface

I cannot imagine anyone would want her for veep, especially since a vice president is a “heartbeat” (or lack thereof) from the Presidency.


21 posted on 02/20/2008 8:56:54 AM PST by MizSterious (If it's Hillary v. McCain, I refuse to vote for EITHER liberal !)
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To: MizSterious

The next time that they fly, the Obamas should consider including a parachute in their carry-ons :)


22 posted on 02/20/2008 8:57:09 AM PST by NRG1973
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To: JaneNC
Let's hope his nomination is another Ned Lamont victory for the extreme left.

Let's also hope that we're able to force the sun to shine on his actual beliefs and proposals.

23 posted on 02/20/2008 8:58:09 AM PST by manapua
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To: Williams

Anyone who swoons every time he utters the word “change” isn’t concerned about substance anyway.


24 posted on 02/20/2008 8:58:10 AM PST by MizSterious (If it's Hillary v. McCain, I refuse to vote for EITHER liberal !)
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To: rface
I don't intend to clutter FR with a useless vanity post --- but I have been thinking last night that a cornered Hillary is a dangerous animal, and as much as I'd like to see Obama (or Hillary) lose in November, I'd like an Obama defete not to end in a typically Clinonesque manner.

Keep talking like that and what makes you think she won't be coming after you?

25 posted on 02/20/2008 8:58:30 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: rface

The Mother of all Train Wrecks. Coming to a TV near you. Getcher popcorn ready.


26 posted on 02/20/2008 8:58:49 AM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: JaneNC

27 posted on 02/20/2008 8:59:20 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: NRG1973
The next time that they fly, the Obamas should consider including a parachute in their carry-ons :)

Or one of those pods, like in 'Escape From New York'. Of course, there's only one pod, and it only holds one person.

28 posted on 02/20/2008 9:03:18 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Vigilanteman

Hillary wants badly to be on the top of the ticket.
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Shouldn’t this be in the ‘homosexual agenda’ catagory ??


29 posted on 02/20/2008 9:04:00 AM PST by IrishMike (I am not a Republican first. I am a conservative.)
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To: rface

The short answer is yes. The long answer is hell yes.


30 posted on 02/20/2008 9:04:47 AM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: rface

no, obama and michele should not be worried period.


31 posted on 02/20/2008 9:06:13 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: cake_crumb

Their minds are so narrow that they get depth perception looking through keyholes.


32 posted on 02/20/2008 9:06:31 AM PST by Erasmus (Exile from Gondwanaland)
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To: Vigilanteman

Being the president with a Clinton as VP, that is the most dangerous job in the world


33 posted on 02/20/2008 9:07:38 AM PST by Billg64
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To: Vigilanteman
In the end, however, she would accept the second slot to ensure a path to power.

I think Hillary's had her fill of playing second fiddle to a man.

34 posted on 02/20/2008 9:07:39 AM PST by Sloth (If you took an oath to support & defend the U.S. Constitution, can you vote for its domestic enemy?)
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To: Vigilanteman

If I could speak to Obama I would tell him to get a good, sound advisor as VP. hillllereee would try and upstage him at every turn. She would be a cloud over his head and don’t forget the old man willie...he’d be on the scene too dillusioned and thinking he was prez again.

No, a new beginning, change and a fresh start means a new, fresh face for the VP slot.


35 posted on 02/20/2008 9:08:12 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: Williams

Maybe we should just call him cotton pickin’ candy.


36 posted on 02/20/2008 9:14:50 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: rface
I don't think the Clinton's could survive, literally and figuratively, if some "accident" should befall Obama.

ML/NJ

37 posted on 02/20/2008 9:15:02 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Williams
I would say any given JFK speech had more substance than all of Obama's appearances put together.

Is Ted Sorensen looking for a job? He made a silk purse out of a sows ear once before.

38 posted on 02/20/2008 9:15:36 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Lancey Howard

Hey, get the message, Obama/magical myster tour heheh, works for me, but so nice to see this cover:)


39 posted on 02/20/2008 9:16:43 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: rface

Hillary has “double secret super delegates” in her pocket and may still be crowned at the convention even if she doesn’t have the support of popular vote.

And she could always be seated as the running mate. The preying mantis who bites off her mate’s head after climax/victory.

The Clintons live for the power. They don’t take NO very well.

I will add that any attempt on Barrack Obama’s life would be VERY bad for this country. His death would be that of another “rising RFK”, another “MLK”, another Rodney King verdict.

Even just an underhanded party betrayal where the bosses would appoint Hillary over Obama at the convention could lead to a 1968 (Chicago or Paris) series of riots.

I will be voting for the black man in this presidential election but unfortunately Alan Keyes will not be getting the nomination of my party. And he won’t get the VP nod either. He should AT LEAST be permitted to speak at the convention.


40 posted on 02/20/2008 9:23:50 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Williams

“They should worry, I think, because Obama is a very beatable candidate in the general election. Shamelessly liberal and absurdly inexperienced.”

Obama was able to knock off Hillary because he’s the same kind of opportunist. The Dems have swollen their ranks with newly registered “Youth” voters. There is a very good reason most youths aren’t very accomplished, they’re not very experienced, and as I think the rise of Obama shows, they can be easily led.
I’m not expecting Obamas wonderful numbers to hold up much more than a couple of months after Hillary bows out. Too much Preparation not enough H.


41 posted on 02/20/2008 9:27:08 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: MizSterious

Change is NOT a good thing when the wrong things are being changed or the right things are being changed with the wrong solutions.

Barry Obama’s wife said how much better she feels about this country now that her husband is considered a viable presidential candidate.

Attending Princeton didn’t make her feel that she could do ANYTHING in this country?


42 posted on 02/20/2008 9:28:47 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: rface

I could not imagine Clinton riding the OKC boming tragedy to easy re-election in 1995 either. But that is exactly what happened.


43 posted on 02/20/2008 9:36:23 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: rface

44 posted on 02/20/2008 9:58:10 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: rface

No he shouldn’t be worried, we should be worried. This man is dangerous!


45 posted on 02/20/2008 9:59:43 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Stentor

A note on my post 38: Just heard Rush say that Sorenson is an adviser to Obama.


46 posted on 02/20/2008 10:03:53 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Stentor

“Is Ted Sorensen looking for a job? He made a silk purse out of a sows ear once before.”

History repeats?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4259093&page=1


47 posted on 02/20/2008 10:20:53 AM PST by Mila
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To: Always Right

I don’t care who you are, that right there is funny!


48 posted on 02/20/2008 10:24:35 AM PST by labette
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To: labette

Glad you liked it.


49 posted on 02/20/2008 10:30:27 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: rface
Should the Obamas be worried?

Let's just say there lives are going to be interesting from this point onwards.


50 posted on 02/20/2008 10:42:49 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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