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Obama: Ill equipped US Soldiers resort to using Talbian equipment in Afganistan
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/21/debate.transcript/index.html ^

Posted on 02/22/2008 8:01:39 AM PST by HD1200

OBAMA: You know, I’ve heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon. Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq.

OBAMA: And as a consequence, they didn’t have enough ammunition, they didn’t have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.

OBAMA: Now, that’s a consequence of bad judgment. And you know, the question is, on the critical issues that we face right now, who’s going to show the judgment to lead? And I think that on every critical issue that we’ve seen in foreign policy over the last several years — going into Iraq originally, I didn’t just oppose it for the sake of opposing it. I said this is going to distract us from Afghanistan; this is going to fan the flames of anti-American sentiment; it’s going to cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives and overstretch our military. And I was right.

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Posted earlier and now I found the transcript. The transcript makes worse than when I heard him say it last night at the debate!

OBAMA: You know, I’ve heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon. Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq.

OBAMA: And as a consequence, they didn’t have enough ammunition, they didn’t have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.

OBAMA: Now, that’s a consequence of bad judgment. And you know, the question is, on the critical issues that we face right now, who’s going to show the judgment to lead? And I think that on every critical issue that we’ve seen in foreign policy over the last several years — going into Iraq originally, I didn’t just oppose it for the sake of opposing it. I said this is going to distract us from Afghanistan; this is going to fan the flames of anti-American sentiment; it’s going to cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives and overstretch our military. And I was right.

1 posted on 02/22/2008 8:01:42 AM PST by HD1200
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To: HD1200

Has McCain responded to this yet?


2 posted on 02/22/2008 8:02:53 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: HD1200
You know, I’ve heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon.

Hmmmm..... Question for the Army types out there: is it usual for a platoon to be commanded by a captain?

3 posted on 02/22/2008 8:03:27 AM PST by r9etb
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To: roses of sharon
Has McCain responded to this yet?

Not that I've seen or heard.

4 posted on 02/22/2008 8:03:53 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: HD1200

A rifle platoon?


5 posted on 02/22/2008 8:04:12 AM PST by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: HD1200

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/21/obama-on-afghanistan/


6 posted on 02/22/2008 8:04:39 AM PST by rhombus
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To: r9etb

Yes, 39 men sounds big for a platoon. But then, maybe not?

Answers?


7 posted on 02/22/2008 8:04:51 AM PST by RexBeach ("Americans never quit." Douglas MacArthur)
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To: HD1200

Um the CIC can’t buy guns for our soldiers when the Democrat led congress goes on vacation instead of signing a funding bill without unrelated pork.

What a dumbass liar he is.


8 posted on 02/22/2008 8:06:28 AM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: HD1200

I thought a platoon was led by a lieutenant.


9 posted on 02/22/2008 8:06:32 AM PST by FReepaholic (Me no bottom man. Me top man.)
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To: HD1200

Name names. Who’s this phantom Captain? Probably more phantom soldiers.


10 posted on 02/22/2008 8:07:15 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: r9etb

Platoons are headed by Lieutenants


11 posted on 02/22/2008 8:07:54 AM PST by Soliton
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To: RexBeach

Four squads (~10 men) form a platoon. The platoon is usually led by a second lieutenant. Three platoons and a headquarters platoon form a company. The company is commanded by a captain.


12 posted on 02/22/2008 8:09:30 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: HD1200
Obama: Ill equipped US Soldiers resort to using Talbian equipment in Afganistan

Was he accusing them of plagiarizing the Taliban equipment?

13 posted on 02/22/2008 8:09:38 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: RexBeach

I think that Obama gets all his military knowledge from Hollywood.

” I spoke with an Air Force Sgt. who flies and FB-1170 and he was dropping clusterbombs on underground bunkers and he doesn’t even have body armor for his plane. he had to weld it on himself right before George Bush ordered him to strafe innocent orphans that were picking flowers in a soccer field.”


14 posted on 02/22/2008 8:09:50 AM PST by Holicheese (Beware your friendly air defenses!)
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To: Soliton

captains are company grade not platoon leaders which are lt. is most case....shows his total lack of knowledge or he is talking to an idiot....no ammuntiiton what horse crap.....mayne everybody should send this to the news agency....


15 posted on 02/22/2008 8:10:32 AM PST by OnRiver (Who is a conservative really...)
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To: FReepaholic

The Platoon is commanded by a commissioned officer (Lieutenant, O-1/O-2) and assisted by a Platoon Sergeant who is a Sergeant First Class (E-7).

In this case, you’d probably have 2-3 squads in the platoon.

Anywhere from a dozenish to maybe 50 soldiers.

(All the numbers just depend on what is going on.)


16 posted on 02/22/2008 8:10:48 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: FReepaholic

Was just asking hubby about this. He said the same. Captain is in charge of a company, Lieutenant is in charge of a platoon and a platoon is NEVER split. Either they all go or none go.
He says either Obama is lying or whoever told him the story is lying.


17 posted on 02/22/2008 8:10:54 AM PST by sheana
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To: HD1200

A Platoon, when I left the infantry, was 4 squads, 11 men each, Platoon Sgt and a 2nd Lt. Captains were Company Comanders. Obama was never in the service so what does he know. I figure that he spoke to Capt. Un-named Source.


18 posted on 02/22/2008 8:11:57 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: HD1200

AK’s are much more weather and sand worthty . I’m pretty sure the ammo is interchangable with ours ( 5.62 mm.?)A lot of guys scavenge the enemy’s AK’s because of this very reason .


19 posted on 02/22/2008 8:12:19 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: HD1200

I call BS immediately.

If the scumbag did not make this up out of whole cloth, he probably got his “insight” from one of those fake soldiers who walks around wearing a fatigue jacket with a peace sign on it.


20 posted on 02/22/2008 8:12:19 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: HD1200

In certain circumstances a Captain will lead a ‘platoon’.

Those are limited and specific.

In Aviation, it is not uncommon for a Captain to lead a platoon. However, that is so not a ‘Rifle’ platoon.


21 posted on 02/22/2008 8:12:38 AM PST by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: HD1200
"They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief."

Where did he get this info from...a Taliban member? Gee, can you imagine that? Our troops are capturing the enemies' weapons? Isn't that what they're supposed to do in a war zone? How, if they are short of ammo and humvees to conduct their activities, were they able to capture all these weapons and ammo from the enemy? It doesn't make sense.

22 posted on 02/22/2008 8:13:16 AM PST by mass55th
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To: RexBeach

Platoons can vary in size, but are led by a lieutenant. Captains lead companies. 39 would be the number of junior enlisted men typically 3 squads of 12 and their corporals or seargents. There is usually a platoon seargeant and a commanding Lieutenant.


23 posted on 02/22/2008 8:13:24 AM PST by Soliton
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To: Digital Sniper
Ummmmm, it is 11am Eastern, and no response?

This is his area, no?

His only battleground with the Dims?

24 posted on 02/22/2008 8:13:42 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: RexBeach

3 x 9 = 27 ± 4


25 posted on 02/22/2008 8:14:07 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: HD1200
Can this country really be considering someone this naive and ignorant to be the next CIC?

To start with, Army Captains do not command Platoons, Lieutenants do. No platoon is ever going to be split up among multi-able fronts.

If they don’t have adequate supplies and equipment, how are the capturing the Taliban’s equipment?

Looks like Obama Campaign has been taken in by another one of the Anti American movement’s phony soldiers.

Raises seriously disturbing questions about the Democrats. This guy is a US Senator for crying out loud and his staff cannot do a better job of vetting his sources then this?

26 posted on 02/22/2008 8:14:16 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: HD1200
I think that on every critical issue that we’ve seen in foreign policy over the last several years — going into Iraq originally, I didn’t just oppose it for the sake of opposing it. I said this is going to distract us from Afghanistan; this is going to fan the flames of anti-American sentiment; it’s going to cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives and overstretch our military. And I was right.

He probably would have said the same thing to FDR in 1941...

"... going into Europe originally, I didn’t just oppose it for the sake of opposing it. I said this is going to distract us from Japan; this is going to fan the flames of anti-American sentiment; it’s going to cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives and overstretch our military."

He'd have been in Alcatraz...

27 posted on 02/22/2008 8:14:28 AM PST by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: neodad
Here's Obama's "Captain":


28 posted on 02/22/2008 8:14:30 AM PST by gunservative
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To: sheana
Just plagiarizing something from a movie script. Move along.
29 posted on 02/22/2008 8:14:33 AM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: RexBeach
Seems about right. Fire team = 4 soldiers (2 rifle, 1 grenadier, 1 SAW). 3 fire teams = 1 squad, 3 squads = 1 platoon ( plus support/ command elements).

Lieutenants command platoons, captains command companies

Maybe the captain in question was Jesse Macbeth.

30 posted on 02/22/2008 8:14:36 AM PST by catman67
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To: roses of sharon

The soldiers could have used some heavy armor in Somalia, but klintoon was to pre-occupied with interns and his friend “Les “Let Not” Aspin failed to respond to our soldiers needs/lives.

Funny how the marxist dems conveniently forget the debacles klintoon and staff made during 8 years of treason/reign of terror.

I hope (The Mac) jumps on osama and his momma’s chest with both feet.

Obuma would not be allowed to enlist in the Military of a few years back, due to his “Down-N-Low lifestyle on the old enlistment questionarre.

I hope (The Mac) goes on the attack against (dumb&dumber)

Respectfully,
NSNR


31 posted on 02/22/2008 8:15:16 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: r9etb
No, a platoon would be commanded by a LT, Capts command companies.
32 posted on 02/22/2008 8:15:24 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: HD1200; river rat; archy; B4Ranch; Squantos; hiredhand; Eaker

What crap! To thnk that this charming dufus might actually be our next CinC!


33 posted on 02/22/2008 8:15:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: FReepaholic; r9etb
Generally, a lieutenant leads the platoon with an NCO as his second in command. A Captain would lead the company with a 1st Sgt as his second in command.

The story is anecdotal and fits his template for Iraq being a distraction. This captain and Harry Reid's friend "Tommy" are probably the same person.

34 posted on 02/22/2008 8:16:03 AM PST by edpc (Republican Attack Machine Field Service Technician)
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In my day, rifle platoon had 44 men, commanded by a lieutenant and a platoon sergeant. Captains commanded companies, with each company having four platoons. But it’s been a long time.....
One thing, I suspect has not changed; I never heard of platoons being canninabalized to the point where have half the men sent to one country and half to another. Yes, platoons were often raided to have men go on special details. But not like this.
35 posted on 02/22/2008 8:16:50 AM PST by Godwin1 (merican restaurant.)
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To: r9etb

Usually a Lt but I dont think Capt is unheard of. When I first joined, my arty battery (two full platoons) was commanded by a 1st Lt.


36 posted on 02/22/2008 8:17:15 AM PST by SwankyC (McCain is the wrong liberal for the job.)
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To: HD1200

I just talked to the same captain and he told me Oprabama is lying. ;-)


37 posted on 02/22/2008 8:17:25 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: r9etb
#1 a Captain 03 does not command a Infantry Platoon, he commands a company, (Special Forces a Cpt commands a A Team Detachment of 12-14 men)and in todays Army unit cohesion is very important for moral and fighting strengths that you never have with replacement troops just rounding out a unit...lessons learned from VN

A Platoon is made up of 4-5 squads 9-12 men...you do not break up a company and send to different Areas unless they have critical skills needed for a special mission...this whole Obama thing as commander in chief is worse than the thought of Hillery as CIC

38 posted on 02/22/2008 8:18:45 AM PST by Turborules
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To: Renegade
AK’s are much more weather and sand worthty . I’m pretty sure the ammo is interchangable with ours ( 5.62 mm.?)A lot of guys scavenge the enemy’s AK’s because of this very reason .

Uhhh...no.

39 posted on 02/22/2008 8:18:54 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Renegade
AK’s are much more weather and sand worthty . I’m pretty sure the ammo is interchangable with ours ( 5.62 mm.?)A lot of guys scavenge the enemy’s AK’s because of this very reason .

Oh boy, are you misinformed! Yes, AKs have an edge in sand worthiness, but M-16s work fine too if kept clean. As far as ammo interchangeability, NO! This is like saying, "I'm pretty sure BMW engines are interchangeable with Toyotas."

But to match up AKs vs M-16s, you must above all compare accuracy. At 100 yards and beyond, there is no comparison at all. A taliban with an AK who is 200 meters away from an American soldier with an M-16 is dead meat. He'll never get close enough to demonstrate the AK's great reliability.

40 posted on 02/22/2008 8:20:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: HD1200

I can tell you from experiene this is straight BULLSH*T But unless McCain decides to call him on it.. the media sure as hell won’t.. BTW, After yesterdays nyt’s Hit job, I am behind John McCain all the way.Period


41 posted on 02/22/2008 8:21:21 AM PST by 3IDVET ( What will you do when a terrorist TELLS you Convert or Die!!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Here you go, it was a “Kerry like” mistake.

North Vietnamese Army 39 men in a Rifle Platoon

http://orbat.com/site/toe/toe/usa/plattoe.html


42 posted on 02/22/2008 8:21:56 AM PST by Rush4U (unnamed source)
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To: MNJohnnie

And if 15 soldiers were sent to Iraq instead, you’d think the remaining in Afganistan would have more supplies. Unless the supplies got split, too, which begs the question: who split the supplies badly? Either way, hardly the President’s fault.

I think it’s time to pull on the hip waders and hold your watches over your head. That’s a pretty big load of you-know-what he just dumped.


43 posted on 02/22/2008 8:22:18 AM PST by Hoffer Rand
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To: r9etb
Question for the Army types out there: is it usual for a platoon to be commanded by a captain?

Lieutenants command platoons, which generally have 30 men. Captains command companies of about 100 men (generally 3 platoons plus a headquarters squad)

44 posted on 02/22/2008 8:22:21 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: Trailerpark Badass; Renegade

About being more weather and sand resistant, perhaps.

However, I do believe a AK uses 7.62x39 ammo...


45 posted on 02/22/2008 8:22:25 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: r9etb

Absolutely not. The Captain would have to be the biggest crap bag int he millitary to be commanding an infantry platoon. These spots are filled by 2nd Lt’s; the ones fresh out of training and school, their first assignement in the Army. Not a Captain. I call BS Osama, er I mean omama.


46 posted on 02/22/2008 8:22:25 AM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: RexBeach; r9etb

Platoon - 16 to 44 soldiers. A platoon is led by a lieutenant with an NCO as second in command, and consists of two to four squads or sections.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/l/blchancommand.htm

Since they describe it as an Infantry platoon around 40 would be a reasonable number. An Armor platoon would be around 16 (4 tanks x 4 crew per tank. Not sure how many in an Arty platoon.


47 posted on 02/22/2008 8:22:53 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Renegade
AK47 fires a 7.62 x 39mm cartridge
M-16 fires a 5.56 x 45mm cartridge
They are not interchangeable. US troops are not opposed to acquiring combatants firearms and using them against the enemy. AK makes an entirely different sound when firing as opposed to the M16...
48 posted on 02/22/2008 8:23:10 AM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: HD1200

Thanks for posting the transcript.

Obama = moron, it is as polite as I can be this AM.


49 posted on 02/22/2008 8:23:29 AM PST by ASOC (Tagline free for months and still going (Oh, wait........))
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To: HD1200

Hey Obama, did you vote in support of the funding bill?


50 posted on 02/22/2008 8:23:47 AM PST by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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