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How John McCain may still lose the nomination (Huckabee's delegate math)
The Forerunner Forum (FL) ^ | February 14, 2008 | Jay Rogers

Posted on 02/22/2008 11:27:13 PM PST by Kurt Evans

The John McCain camp informed us yesterday that it is mathematically impossible for Mike Huckabee to win the nomination. What they won't say is that McCain stands a good chance of losing the nomination as long as Huckabee stays in the race.

Huckabee only has to win half of the remaining delegates to block McCain from the nomination. And even if he falls a few short of that, many of the delegates in McCain's column will be unbound delegates who may in fact vote for anyone they choose on the first ballot...

The McCain camp thinks the "mathematically impossible" rhetorical ploy will hide a few obvious facts from the voting public, who tend to believe the media pundits rather than research how the nomination process actually works...

McCain will not be the nominee until he has 1,191 bound delegates pledged to him...

There are 774 delegates left to win. If John McCain has exactly 804 delegates (and 18 of these are unbound delegates who are still able to change their mind), then he needs an additional 387 to clinch the nomination with 1,191.

Ironically half of 774 is exactly 387... Huckabee only needs to get 51 percent of the remaining delegates to block McCain...

McCain currently has 796 bound delegates and 18 unbound delegates. McCain needs 395 bound delegates to reach 1,191 in the remaining states.

Now here's the math ...

Wisconsin - 37 bound and 3 unbound
Puerto Rico - 20 bound and 3 unbound
Texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound
Ohio - 0 bound and 88 unbound!
Rhode Island - 17 bound and 3 unbound
Vermont - 17 bound
Mississippi - 36 bound and 3 unbound
Pennsylvania - 0 bound and 74 unbound!
North Carolina - 69 bound
Indiana - 27 bound and 30 unbound
Nebraska - 30 bound and 3 unbound
Hawaii - 20 bound
Kentucky - 45 bound
Oregon - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Idaho - 26 bound and 6 unbound
New Mexico - 29 bound and 3 unbound
South Dakota - 24 bound and 3 unbound

There are 561 bound delegates left. If we are speaking of the number of bound delegates that John McCain must win, then he needs 71% of the remaining 561 to reach 1,191 bound delegates.

Huckabee will probably win Mississippi, Nebraska, Kentucky, and South Dakota. If this happens, then McCain would have to win just about every remaining delegate to be guaranteed enough bound delegates to win the nomination, and that is not likely to happen...

The media pundits lump both bound and unbound delegates in their totals. This is very misleading. Huckabee may block McCain in the first round delegate vote at the convention and then win on a second, third or fourth ballot. Until someone has a majority, the candidates keep striking deals and the delegates keep voting.

Abraham Lincoln won the nomination on the fourth ballot in the Republican convention in 1860 although William Seward was the pre-convention favorite.

So while unlikely, if there is enough dissent in the GOP come summer, McCain could be denied the nomination if he doesn't have enough bound delegates. But more likely, if he falls short of 1191 in both bound and unbound delegates, then a conservative coalition could arise that would nominate Huckabee or another conservative as the Republican candidate ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abrahamlincoln; delegatemath; election; gop; huckabee; johnmccain; mccain; mikehuckabee; openconvention; williamseward
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To: Kurt Evans

This election is rigged and only those who believe the GOP can still be saved don’t realize that the GOP is destroyed already.

It is time for a conservative run third party and the GOP be damned, let the liberal NE rinos have their corrupt party.


51 posted on 02/23/2008 6:16:17 AM PST by kindred (The GOP is now socialist also and is no different than the left. Fools.)
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To: torchthemummy

You know, I kinda think the fair tax issue is one of the biggest reasons Huckabee doesn’t have more support and I don’t mean from voters but from the establishment GOP’ers...they don’t want their playhouse messed up with real tax reform.

The Fair Tax is gradually picking up Congressional support and for the record, I was for the Fair Tax before I was a supporter of Huckabee (Boortz listener here). See link:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_scorecard


52 posted on 02/23/2008 6:18:31 AM PST by BamaBelle
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To: John Robie

[Give it up. For all of McCain’s flaws, he is the nominee. And compared to Obama he is George Washington.]

I am offended that you would compare the liberal rino McCain to the great leader and general and preacher and Warrior of the Christian faith and father of our once great and free nation.
The GOP is dead and I am glad the cesspool of liberal rinos will come to its end.


53 posted on 02/23/2008 6:22:11 AM PST by kindred (The GOP is now socialist also and is no different than the left. Fools.)
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To: HHFi

[BTW, I’m not an evangelical, I’m an agnostic; and I disagree with Huckabee on several key issues.]

I’m not an evangelical, I am a Christian who beleives the Bible is true and the GOD of Israel is the Creator of all things in heavens and earth and created mankind on the earth. Evangelical is a new age term for those who like to feel good about themselves and refuse to believe that the Son of God is Jesus Christ. Evangleicals are to Christianity what rinos are to conservatism for the most part and many are blatant liberals.
And, Lord willing, the GOP will split so that conservatives will begin a conservative party with conservative politicians and stop trying to fix the barrel of rotten apples the GOP has become. Also, you have a right to be agnostic but God hates that also as the heavens and the earth declares His glory and men love darkenss rather than light because their deeds are evil.
And agnostics are of those same men.


54 posted on 02/23/2008 6:30:35 AM PST by kindred (The GOP is now socialist also and is no different than the left. Fools.)
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To: Birdlady

bttt


55 posted on 02/23/2008 6:36:02 AM PST by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Kurt Evans

McCain will easily win the nomination.


56 posted on 02/23/2008 6:39:00 AM PST by Guns are GOOD
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To: Guns are GOOD
Well I guess one can hope that the man from Hope will get all those unpledged delegates to suddenly drop the tenor of how their state voted and rush over to a less than stellar performance. Hope springs eternal and that is what the Hopester will need.

CLICK for Hope

The Green Papers
Presidential Primaries 2008
Republican Pledged and Unpledged Delegate Summary


 
Republican Party Republican
Pledged and Unpledged Delegate Summary
Alphabetically by State

 
2,516 total delegates - 560 base at-large / 1,305 re: 435 congressional districts / 168 party / 483 bonus
Pledged/Unpledged delegates: 1,801 pledged, 579 unpledged.
Need to nominate: 1,191.
Rank (sort)
State
Huckabee, M
(227)
Romney, M
(181)
(available)
(1,032)
McCain, J
(866)
Uncommitted
(41)
Paul, R
(21)
Hunter, D
(1)
Thompson, F
(11)
Allocation
(sort)
Pl
(204)
(sort)
Unpl
(23)
(sort)
Pl
(124)
(sort)
Unpl
(57)
(sort)
Pl
(580)
(sort)
Unpl
(452)
(sort)
Pl
(848)
(sort)
Unpl
(18)
(sort)
Pl
(40)
(sort)
Unpl
(1)
(sort)
Pl
(5)
(sort)
Unpl
(16)
Pl
(0)
(sort)
Unpl
(1)
Pl
(0)
(sort)
Unpl
(11)
(sort)
Pl
(sort)
Unpl
(sort)
Total
1 Alabama 26         3 19                   45 3 48
2 Alaska   6   12 0 3   3       5           29 29
3 American Samoa         6 3                     6 3 9
4 Arizona           3 50                   50 3 53
5 Arkansas 29   1     3 1                   31 3 34
6 California     12     3 158                   170 3 173
7 Colorado         0 46                       46 46
8 Connecticut           3 27                   27 3 30
9 Delaware           0 18                   18   18
10 District of Columbia           3 16                   16 3 19
11 Florida             57                   57   57
12 Georgia 51   6   3 0 12                   72   72
13 Guam         6 3                     6 3 9
14 Hawaii         20 0                     20   20
15 Idaho         26 6                     26 6 32
16 Illinois     2   1 13 54                   57 13 70
17 Indiana         27 30                     27 30 57
18 Iowa   13   10   3   5       4       5   40 40
19 Kansas 36             2   1             36 3 39
20 Kentucky         45 0                     45   45
21 Louisiana           27     20               20 27 47
22 Maine   1   10 0 3   4       3           21 21
23 Maryland           3 34                   34 3 37
24 Massachusetts     22     3 18                   40 3 43
25 Michigan 3         0 7   20               30   30
26 Minnesota         0 41                       41 41
27 Mississippi         36 3                     36 3 39
28 Missouri           0 58                   58   58
29 Montana     25     0                     25   25
30 Nebraska         30 3                     30 3 33
31 Nevada   3   17   3   4       4       3   34 34
32 New Hampshire 1   4     0 7                   12   12
33 New Jersey           0 52                   52   52
34 New Mexico         29 3                     29 3 32
35 New York           14 87                   87 14 101
36 North Carolina         69 0                     69   69
37 North Dakota 5   8     3 5       5           23 3 26
38 Northern Marianas         0 9                       9 9
39 Ohio         0 88                       88 88
40 Oklahoma 6         3 32                   38 3 41
41 Oregon         27 3                     27 3 30
42 Pennsylvania         0 74                       74 74
43 Puerto Rico         20 3                     20 3 23
44 Rhode Island         17 3                     17 3 20
45 South Carolina 6         0 18                   24   24
46 South Dakota         24 3                     24 3 27
47 Tennessee 23   8   6 3 15                   52 3 55
48 Texas         137 3                     137 3 140
49 Utah     36     0                     36   36
50 Vermont         17 0                     17   17
51 Virgin Islands         6 3                     6 3 9
52 Virginia           0 63                   63   63
53 Washington         13 21 6                   19 21 40
54 West Virginia 18       9 3                     27 3 30
55 Wisconsin         6   34                   40   40
56 Wyoming       8 0 2               1   3   14 14
Convention 204 23 124 57 580 452 848 18 40 1 5 16 0 1 0 11 1,801 579 2,380
 

Pl: Pledged or Bound Delegates.
Unpl: Unpledged or Not Bound Delegates

 
 



57 posted on 02/23/2008 7:21:32 AM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Greenpees

Pride cometh before the fall.


58 posted on 02/23/2008 7:22:40 AM PST by rintense (You don't advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. Piss off McCain and Huck!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Looks like a derivitive of Farakan’s Math Made Simple to me.

Don't bother telling them that Mitt Romney has asked his delegates to vote for McCain. After all, it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor - they're on a roll...

59 posted on 02/23/2008 7:29:13 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Kurt Evans

This was a test of the emergency browser system.


60 posted on 02/23/2008 7:30:11 AM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian communist empire of 21 conquered nations)
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To: TigersEye; Kurt Evans

yup. I’d rather see Huck too.
He supports abolishing the income tax and the IRS for the Fair Tax. Enough reason for me to support him.


61 posted on 02/23/2008 7:31:14 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: End Times Crusader
Hunter wouldn’t bring enough to the ticket since California would be out of play. Besides, McCain pretty much has the nomination in the bag.

California's out of play no matter who the nominee is. It's out of play because the prior amnesty, combined with illegal immigration, has flooded the state with leftist foreigners. California went Republican in every presidential race from 1952 to 1988, except for the 1964 LBJ landslide. But once the effects of the Reagan era amnesty began to be felt, it's gone Democrat in every election since. That's four times in a row. One more amnesty and the state will be as heavily Democrat as Massachusetts, with the GOP down to single digits in the legislature.

62 posted on 02/23/2008 7:43:07 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: deport

Just based on the initial post, let’s give Huckabee Texas, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Kentucky. That is 293 of the 371 Kurt stated Huckabee needs to block McCain. Not enough. If you have a more detailed analysis of what states Huckabee will win and the delegates he will receive, I would be interested in seeing it.


63 posted on 02/23/2008 7:43:17 AM PST by Guns are GOOD
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To: Guns are GOOD

I don’t have an analysis..... The above table I posted had the states showing how they voted or which ones hadn’t voted to date. I”m not sure the Hopester will win Texas. He may win a few delegates as it’s winner take all by CD and Statewide but I don’t see a sweep.


64 posted on 02/23/2008 7:53:49 AM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Guns are GOOD
Also I don't see the unpledged delegates going against the popular vote in general although it isn't a majority at this time. Some states may but I think the general following will be to the national winner and how the party powers that be have determined the outcome. That isn't necessarily a good thing but it looks like what we are stuck with..... McCain

The Green Papers
2008 Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions
 
Copyright www.flags.net/UNST.htm Republican Convention
Presidential Nominating Process
39th Republican National Convention: Monday 1 September - Thursday 4 September 2008
Republicans
Candidate Popular
Vote
Delegate Votes
Soft
Pledged
Soft
Unpledged
Soft
Total
Alternative
Soft Total*
Hard Total
McCain, John S. 5,695,383  39.19% 848  47.08% 18   3.11% 866  36.39% 971  38.59% 219   9.20%
Romney, Mitt 4,303,899  29.62% 124   6.89% 57   9.84% 181   7.61% 199   7.91% 57   2.39%
Huckabee, Mike 2,961,868  20.38% 204  11.33% 23   3.97% 227   9.54% 230   9.14% 101   4.24%
Paul, Ron 656,871   4.52% 5   0.28% 16   2.76% 21   0.88% 21   0.83% 5   0.21%
Giuliani, Rudolph W. 561,623   3.86%          
Thompson, Fred Dalton 250,727   1.73%   11   1.90% 11   0.46% 11   0.44%  
Uncommitted 28,949   0.20% 40   2.22% 1   0.17% 41   1.72% 33   1.31% 18   0.76%
Hunter, Duncan 28,220   0.19%   1   0.17% 1   0.04% 1   0.04%  
Keyes, Alan L. 22,221   0.15%          
(others) 8,180   0.06%          
Tancredo, Thomas Gerald "Tom" 8,012   0.06%          
Cox, John H. 2,971   0.02%          
Brownback, Samuel Dale 2,564   0.02%          
(available)   580  32.20% 452  78.07% 1,032  43.36% 1,050  41.73% 1,980  83.19%
Total 14,531,488 100.00% 1,801 100.00% 579 100.00% 2,380 100.00% 2,516 100.00% 2,380 100.00%

65 posted on 02/23/2008 8:16:02 AM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Aren’t the delegates “freed” after the second ballot to vote for whomever they wish?

From the GOP rule book:

Rule No.40

Nominations

b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

McCain, Romney and Huckabee are the only ones who will qualify on the first ballot. After the first ballot, I guess a majority of delegates from 5 states can draft a new candidate for consideration.

I also take it from this that McCain and other candidates can only suggest a VP preference and none of the delegates are pledged to support the choice. This would theoretically make it difficult for McCain to choose a rino.

One problem though, I was looking at the national delegates from Alabama who were elected a few days ago and it appears that Romney's delegates were split up for McCain and Huckabee to pick half and half. That's how it appeared to me. If that's how all the states choose their delegates then it will be nothing but McCain and Huckabee delegates at the convention and the Romney portion that McCain gets to pick the delegate for will vote for McCain on the first ballot, giving him plenty of delegates to win the thing outright.

Even if McCain dropped out or meets his maker prior to the convention, based on my perception of how it was done in Alabama, all of his selected national delegates would still be there and would probably draft someone like Lindsey Graham to replace him.

If FReepers organized and made it their goal to become the national delegates for the Republicans in all of the states, we could accomplish it. That is why they public isn't informed too openly about how the process works.

66 posted on 02/23/2008 8:28:34 AM PST by Perchant
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To: HHFi

I met Mike at the first Freeper Inaugural Ball for Bush in 2000. He was playing bass for the band. He seemed like a good dude.

Following the situation in Arkansas, I realize he took over for the disgraced governor that had to step down.

I was predisposed to like Mike and support him. Then I started noticing folks from Arkansas that were not as favorable to him as I was.

They brought up points that made sense to me. At this point in time, I don’t see Mike as you do.

I appreciate you defending Mike. If you see him as you have described, you should.

I do think Mike has a certain flair that McCain will lack, and agree that he might be a better person in a campaign against the democrat nominee based on that aspect of him.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your take on some of the other candidates. I will admit, I’m not predisposed to sign on to your program with Mike, but that’s okay.

You take care. I appreciate your comments.


67 posted on 02/23/2008 9:43:34 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: dirtboy

LOL. We’re on the same page.


68 posted on 02/23/2008 9:48:16 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: Perchant
Alabama has some rules in their state GOP that requires the delegates be split portionally on the statewide vote. This would be the bonus and at large delegates. The CDs were winner take all or top two. I guess the top two was where there wasn't a winner by majority vote in the CD. I didn't go search their rules specifically for the meaning.

Based upon the following it appears that for a name to be placed in nomination they do need the support of a majority of the delegates from five states. Based upon [e] it appears that that is when/where the horse trading begins between candidates and delegations.

RULE NO. 40
Nominations
(a) In making the nominations for qPresident of the United States and Vice President of the United States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be called separately in each case; provided, however, that if there is only one candidate for nomination for Vice President of the United States who has demonstrated the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a motion to nominate for such office by acclamation shall be in order and no calling of the roll with respect to such office shall be required.

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

(c) The total time of the nominating speech and seconding speeches for any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States shall not exceed fifteen (15) minutes.

(d) When at the close of a roll call any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States has received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention, the chairman of the convention shall declare that the candidate has been nominated.

(e) If no candidate shall have received such majority, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention.

(f) For the 2004 Republican National Convention, notwithstanding any other provision of these rules or any Rule of the House of Representatives, it shall be in the discretion of the Chair to suspend the roll call conducted to nominate the candidate for President of the United States at any time in order to conduct other Convention business under the established order of business.


69 posted on 02/23/2008 10:50:02 AM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: deport

I see. I had the wrong impression about the Alabama apportionment. I’d still like to know if the states where Romney did win some delegates will select national delegates that have to vote for him on the first ballot since he’s already dropped out but still eligible by winning at least 5 states. I have zero idea about what happens with the delegates the other dropouts won since they won’t be eligible for nomination.

These selected delegates should be getting lots of scrutiny. If any of them can be shown to have had Democrat tendencies in the past, they are supposed to be dismissed and replaced with an alternate I do believe.


70 posted on 02/23/2008 11:51:10 AM PST by Perchant
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To: HHFi

BTTT


71 posted on 02/23/2008 1:00:39 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Perchant

I don’t know the details of Romney’s delegates but if I remember correctly the Michigan GOP unbound his delegates. And I think I read where some or most indicated they’d support McCain but they aren’t listed as McCains.

Louisiana had unbound delegates for both their caucus and primary since no candidate won by a majority. Many of the delegates that were selected indicated they would support McCain from what I read after their State Convention even thought Huckabee came in a close 2nd.

Some states such as Nevada where Romney won delegates haven’t had their State Convention to select the delegates. So who knows how they will choose at that point.

Another example is Montana where Romney won all 25 delegates to the National Convention. By Montana rules they are bound to vote for the the caucus winner on the first vote however, the winning candidate is allowed to release the delegates to a different candidate. I’m assuming the release occurred in the following announcement.

Romney endorsement of McCain back on Feb. 14:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/14/politics/main3831892.shtml

CBS/AP) Republican campaign dropout Mitt Romney endorsed John McCain for the party’s presidential nomination and asked his national convention delegates to swing behind the likely nominee.


72 posted on 02/23/2008 1:03:55 PM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Kurt Evans

I didn’t even click on it last night. Didn’t have the time or energy. No offense taken.


73 posted on 02/23/2008 1:04:04 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: FBD

I think Huck is a complete shyster. But he’s not McCain.


74 posted on 02/23/2008 1:06:02 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye; Landru
"But he’s not McCain."

-BWaaHaaa! ...now there's a ringing endorsement! ;^)


75 posted on 02/23/2008 1:09:19 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: Kurt Evans
then a conservative coalition could arise that would nominate Huckabee

Why would a conservative coalition arise to nominate an even more less conservative candidate?

Ridiculous commentary.

76 posted on 02/23/2008 1:14:30 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: FBD

Noseplugs will work for Huckabee. You’re going to need something in a size 12. ga. with flaming fleshettes or a rusty jihadi knife for McCain.


77 posted on 02/23/2008 1:18:12 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye
more likely; we’ll need a kevlar jacket for conservatism, to stop the knife he will inevitably stick in our back.
78 posted on 02/23/2008 1:23:09 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: Kurt Evans
I would have to hold my nose to vote for Mike Huckabee. But I could never vote for John McCain. McCain is loony tunes, excessively dishonest, and determined to forced amnesty down our throats. He is a Democrat. If we vote for him, then it is like saying, we will vote for anyone.
79 posted on 02/23/2008 1:34:33 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: FBD

I have so many knives in my conservative back it’s starting to look like a dart board. It’s actually starting to feel good. Somebody must think we’re a threat to their warped ideology or they wouldn’t be trying to kill us. ; )


80 posted on 02/23/2008 2:38:39 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Huckabee to Make Guest Spot on First SNL Since Writers’ Strike
[The Times not the only turncoat in NY]
Fox News | February 20, 2008
Posted on 02/20/2008 4:12:07 PM EST by keepitreal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1973527/posts

“The former Arkansas governor is not expected to host this weekend’s SNL — that job is reserved for ‘30 Rock’ star and former cast cast member Tina Fey. But a spot on the NBC sketch comedy show will at least give him some extra time in the limelight as rival John McCain works to close him out in the GOP race. Democratic candidate Barack Obama appeared as himself during the show’s last episode before the strike, on Nov. 3, 2007.”

Asa Hutchinson ends Huckabee support, backs McCain
The Cabin | Feb. 22, 2008 | AP
Posted on 02/22/2008 11:07:43 AM EST by FocusNexus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974531/posts

Drudge: Huckabee-Deadlocked Convention Is The Goal
1200- WOAI | 02/22/08 | Jeff Forsyth
Posted on 02/22/2008 7:42:09 AM EST by torchthemummy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974416/posts

“Mike Huckabee outlined a strategy which has him not winning the GOP nomination outright, but pushing the nomination to the September Republican National Convention, which he says will turn to him as the most ‘conservative alternative.’”

McCain Wins, Huckabee barely beating Romney
soundpolitics.com | February 19, 2008 10:10 PM | Eric Earling
Posted on 02/20/2008 2:09:16 AM EST by Checkers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1973192/posts

“Huckabee was actually running 3rd behind McCain and Romney in fourteen counties. That’s amazing. Romney dropped out of the race twelve days ago and Huckabee is still losing to him in that many locales, including larger counties such as Benton, King, and Spokane. Moreover, Huckabee leads Romney by only small margins in a couple significant suburban counties, Clark (1.55%) and Kitsap (1.25%). Given all that, early absentees alone can’t account for Romney’s totals.”

Novak: McCain Won’t Pick Huckabee
Newsmax.com | February 17, 2008 | Phil Brennan
Posted on 02/19/2008 4:12:01 AM EST by Berlin_Freeper
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1972628/posts


81 posted on 02/23/2008 3:53:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: Kurt Evans

The only law of probability is that small enough probabilities don’t happen.


82 posted on 02/23/2008 3:55:21 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: HHFi
Thanks for the post. My support for Huckabee came only when it came down to him and McCain. When Texas votes, I'll be voting Huckabee. I personally have great respect for this guy because he is giving me the chance to vote against the presumptive nominee the RNC is trying to cram down my throat. I hope the rest of the states get the same opportunity.

In the last two brokered conventions for both parties, the elected candidates lost. However, in 1932 the brokered convention of the Democrat party produced a winning candidate... FDR. Parties hate brokered conventions. They are "messy" and worrisome. There is a real possibility that both parties could have brokered conventions this year. I am not sure that's ever happened. Regardless, I am thankful to Huckabee for hanging in there to provide "me" with a voice. For that, I have deep respect toward the man.

Huckabee on NewsMaxTV

83 posted on 02/23/2008 4:15:55 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (McCain: You don't have to love him, you just have to fall in line)
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To: deport

There is something very wrong about a candidate dropping out and then saying anything to affect the natural outcome of the process.

I know Romney doesn’t owe Huckabee anything but this process belongs to the people. If he wanted to have a say about the final outcome, he should have stayed in and let things play out.

On paper, or from a “game theory” perspective, it looks like Romney was McCain’s stalking horse all along.


84 posted on 02/23/2008 5:10:10 PM PST by Perchant
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To: Kurt Evans
The GOP needs a brokered convention in 2008

Arise, Ye Favorite Sons

85 posted on 02/23/2008 5:12:44 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: ElPatriota
"For one, it shows, the Evangelicals who care about 'values' have not lost their focus… their eyes ARE ON THE BALL! and I congratulate them and support them. Just think, if the Evangelicals have been able to accomplish this much by themselves… THINK of what we could do if ALL OF US UNITE in the fight!.. Heck let's learn from the homos themselves!... Look what the have accomplished with such a tiny percentage… and all because they have been united in purpose… Look at the Blacks… You see them all over the place on TV now :) ... probably electing the first Black president in this country… I would say that IS success."


Thanks, but as a Southern Baptist, I don't share your views.

Huck doesn't understand render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

He's highly lacking in that area.

And, I'm surprised at your rhetoric.

What the heck are you thinking?

86 posted on 02/24/2008 12:23:34 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: rintense; Greenpees

Yes ma’am, and sir.


87 posted on 02/24/2008 12:25:01 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000; ElPatriota
Huck doesn't understand render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

That, from what I've studied of Gov. Huckabee, as an effectively baseless and flatly wrong charge.

Feel free to try to justify it, though.

88 posted on 02/24/2008 12:35:02 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: Greenpees; rintense

Slander on....


89 posted on 02/24/2008 12:35:47 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: unspun

Feel free to defend it.


90 posted on 02/24/2008 12:38:44 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: All

Anyone see Huckabee on Saturday Night Live tonight on the news segment? Great segment. I won’t vote for him, but one thing I can say for him is he has a good sense of humor.

He says he knows when to get out and not overstay his welcome, then at the end of the interview they thank him and say goodbye to him and he just sat there in his chair and kept thanking them for having him but made no move to leave. They kept on and on and he wouldn’t take the hint that the interview was over.


91 posted on 02/24/2008 12:58:10 AM PST by Zack Attack
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To: Zack Attack

Sorry, that won’t do.

Vote for him and get five others to do the same.

And be enthused.


92 posted on 02/24/2008 1:26:49 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: dixiechick2000
Feel free to defend it.

Mike Huckabee's positions, past, and commitments as president confirm knowing what "Caesar" is up to -- and provides a good sense he even knows quite a bit about what God's doings are.

93 posted on 02/24/2008 1:28:58 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: unspun

The very fact that he wants to render unto Ceasar more than Ceasar needs...re: tax increases in his own state...tells me more than I need to know about him.

BTW, I do respect him as a God loving man, and a good pastor.

But, he’s having the time of his life right now.

He’s gotta be loving that.


94 posted on 02/24/2008 1:39:32 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000
...And, I'm surprised at your rhetoric....

What exactly do you mean?

95 posted on 02/24/2008 2:12:20 AM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck :))
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To: deport
That isn't necessarily a good thing but it looks like what we are stuck with..... McCain

The increasingly Socialist GOP isn't stuck with Socialist McCain. They want him to be their candidate. Conservatives aren't stuck with him as they can always write in a candidate or vote for a Conservative of another party. It won't be a third party since the GOP has essentially aligned its political ideology with that of the Socialist Democrats.
96 posted on 02/24/2008 5:29:29 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Zack Attack
Anyone see Huckabee on Saturday Night Live tonight on the news segment? Great segment. I won’t vote for him, but one thing I can say for him is he has a good sense of humor.

I saw it! I was expecting him to crash and burn, jumble his lines and generally embarrass himself (as most politician do when they're on the show) but he was actually quite funny and had great timing. He had the crowd laughing.

97 posted on 02/24/2008 5:35:12 AM PST by Drew68
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To: dixiechick2000
The very fact that he wants to render unto Ceasar more than Ceasar needs...re: tax increases in his own state...tells me more than I need to know about him.

Arkansas had to raise taxes to meet their constitutional balanced budget mandate. They turned out to have a surplus (due in large part, to the exceedingly rapid growth of the Arkansas economy during his Arkansas governorship). Huckabee recommended that they use the surplus as a cue to elimnate sales taxes on food. That is what they set about doing.

98 posted on 02/24/2008 12:07:11 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: Kurt Evans

That would have to assume that all of Romney’s votes would be with held from McCain. McCain has won, face it!


99 posted on 02/24/2008 12:14:13 PM PST by billva
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To: Kurt Evans


100 posted on 02/24/2008 12:21:08 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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