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How John McCain may still lose the nomination (Huckabee's delegate math)
The Forerunner Forum (FL) ^ | February 14, 2008 | Jay Rogers

Posted on 02/22/2008 11:27:13 PM PST by Kurt Evans

The John McCain camp informed us yesterday that it is mathematically impossible for Mike Huckabee to win the nomination. What they won't say is that McCain stands a good chance of losing the nomination as long as Huckabee stays in the race.

Huckabee only has to win half of the remaining delegates to block McCain from the nomination. And even if he falls a few short of that, many of the delegates in McCain's column will be unbound delegates who may in fact vote for anyone they choose on the first ballot...

The McCain camp thinks the "mathematically impossible" rhetorical ploy will hide a few obvious facts from the voting public, who tend to believe the media pundits rather than research how the nomination process actually works...

McCain will not be the nominee until he has 1,191 bound delegates pledged to him...

There are 774 delegates left to win. If John McCain has exactly 804 delegates (and 18 of these are unbound delegates who are still able to change their mind), then he needs an additional 387 to clinch the nomination with 1,191.

Ironically half of 774 is exactly 387... Huckabee only needs to get 51 percent of the remaining delegates to block McCain...

McCain currently has 796 bound delegates and 18 unbound delegates. McCain needs 395 bound delegates to reach 1,191 in the remaining states.

Now here's the math ...

Wisconsin - 37 bound and 3 unbound
Puerto Rico - 20 bound and 3 unbound
Texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound
Ohio - 0 bound and 88 unbound!
Rhode Island - 17 bound and 3 unbound
Vermont - 17 bound
Mississippi - 36 bound and 3 unbound
Pennsylvania - 0 bound and 74 unbound!
North Carolina - 69 bound
Indiana - 27 bound and 30 unbound
Nebraska - 30 bound and 3 unbound
Hawaii - 20 bound
Kentucky - 45 bound
Oregon - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Idaho - 26 bound and 6 unbound
New Mexico - 29 bound and 3 unbound
South Dakota - 24 bound and 3 unbound

There are 561 bound delegates left. If we are speaking of the number of bound delegates that John McCain must win, then he needs 71% of the remaining 561 to reach 1,191 bound delegates.

Huckabee will probably win Mississippi, Nebraska, Kentucky, and South Dakota. If this happens, then McCain would have to win just about every remaining delegate to be guaranteed enough bound delegates to win the nomination, and that is not likely to happen...

The media pundits lump both bound and unbound delegates in their totals. This is very misleading. Huckabee may block McCain in the first round delegate vote at the convention and then win on a second, third or fourth ballot. Until someone has a majority, the candidates keep striking deals and the delegates keep voting.

Abraham Lincoln won the nomination on the fourth ballot in the Republican convention in 1860 although William Seward was the pre-convention favorite.

So while unlikely, if there is enough dissent in the GOP come summer, McCain could be denied the nomination if he doesn't have enough bound delegates. But more likely, if he falls short of 1191 in both bound and unbound delegates, then a conservative coalition could arise that would nominate Huckabee or another conservative as the Republican candidate ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abrahamlincoln; delegatemath; election; gop; huckabee; johnmccain; mccain; mikehuckabee; openconvention; williamseward
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Huckabee to Make Guest Spot on First SNL Since Writers’ Strike
[The Times not the only turncoat in NY]
Fox News | February 20, 2008
Posted on 02/20/2008 4:12:07 PM EST by keepitreal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1973527/posts

“The former Arkansas governor is not expected to host this weekend’s SNL — that job is reserved for ‘30 Rock’ star and former cast cast member Tina Fey. But a spot on the NBC sketch comedy show will at least give him some extra time in the limelight as rival John McCain works to close him out in the GOP race. Democratic candidate Barack Obama appeared as himself during the show’s last episode before the strike, on Nov. 3, 2007.”

Asa Hutchinson ends Huckabee support, backs McCain
The Cabin | Feb. 22, 2008 | AP
Posted on 02/22/2008 11:07:43 AM EST by FocusNexus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974531/posts

Drudge: Huckabee-Deadlocked Convention Is The Goal
1200- WOAI | 02/22/08 | Jeff Forsyth
Posted on 02/22/2008 7:42:09 AM EST by torchthemummy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974416/posts

“Mike Huckabee outlined a strategy which has him not winning the GOP nomination outright, but pushing the nomination to the September Republican National Convention, which he says will turn to him as the most ‘conservative alternative.’”

McCain Wins, Huckabee barely beating Romney
soundpolitics.com | February 19, 2008 10:10 PM | Eric Earling
Posted on 02/20/2008 2:09:16 AM EST by Checkers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1973192/posts

“Huckabee was actually running 3rd behind McCain and Romney in fourteen counties. That’s amazing. Romney dropped out of the race twelve days ago and Huckabee is still losing to him in that many locales, including larger counties such as Benton, King, and Spokane. Moreover, Huckabee leads Romney by only small margins in a couple significant suburban counties, Clark (1.55%) and Kitsap (1.25%). Given all that, early absentees alone can’t account for Romney’s totals.”

Novak: McCain Won’t Pick Huckabee
Newsmax.com | February 17, 2008 | Phil Brennan
Posted on 02/19/2008 4:12:01 AM EST by Berlin_Freeper
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1972628/posts


81 posted on 02/23/2008 3:53:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: Kurt Evans

The only law of probability is that small enough probabilities don’t happen.


82 posted on 02/23/2008 3:55:21 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: HHFi
Thanks for the post. My support for Huckabee came only when it came down to him and McCain. When Texas votes, I'll be voting Huckabee. I personally have great respect for this guy because he is giving me the chance to vote against the presumptive nominee the RNC is trying to cram down my throat. I hope the rest of the states get the same opportunity.

In the last two brokered conventions for both parties, the elected candidates lost. However, in 1932 the brokered convention of the Democrat party produced a winning candidate... FDR. Parties hate brokered conventions. They are "messy" and worrisome. There is a real possibility that both parties could have brokered conventions this year. I am not sure that's ever happened. Regardless, I am thankful to Huckabee for hanging in there to provide "me" with a voice. For that, I have deep respect toward the man.

Huckabee on NewsMaxTV

83 posted on 02/23/2008 4:15:55 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (McCain: You don't have to love him, you just have to fall in line)
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To: deport

There is something very wrong about a candidate dropping out and then saying anything to affect the natural outcome of the process.

I know Romney doesn’t owe Huckabee anything but this process belongs to the people. If he wanted to have a say about the final outcome, he should have stayed in and let things play out.

On paper, or from a “game theory” perspective, it looks like Romney was McCain’s stalking horse all along.


84 posted on 02/23/2008 5:10:10 PM PST by Perchant
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To: Kurt Evans
The GOP needs a brokered convention in 2008

Arise, Ye Favorite Sons

85 posted on 02/23/2008 5:12:44 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: ElPatriota
"For one, it shows, the Evangelicals who care about 'values' have not lost their focus… their eyes ARE ON THE BALL! and I congratulate them and support them. Just think, if the Evangelicals have been able to accomplish this much by themselves… THINK of what we could do if ALL OF US UNITE in the fight!.. Heck let's learn from the homos themselves!... Look what the have accomplished with such a tiny percentage… and all because they have been united in purpose… Look at the Blacks… You see them all over the place on TV now :) ... probably electing the first Black president in this country… I would say that IS success."


Thanks, but as a Southern Baptist, I don't share your views.

Huck doesn't understand render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

He's highly lacking in that area.

And, I'm surprised at your rhetoric.

What the heck are you thinking?

86 posted on 02/24/2008 12:23:34 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: rintense; Greenpees

Yes ma’am, and sir.


87 posted on 02/24/2008 12:25:01 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000; ElPatriota
Huck doesn't understand render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

That, from what I've studied of Gov. Huckabee, as an effectively baseless and flatly wrong charge.

Feel free to try to justify it, though.

88 posted on 02/24/2008 12:35:02 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: Greenpees; rintense

Slander on....


89 posted on 02/24/2008 12:35:47 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: unspun

Feel free to defend it.


90 posted on 02/24/2008 12:38:44 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: All

Anyone see Huckabee on Saturday Night Live tonight on the news segment? Great segment. I won’t vote for him, but one thing I can say for him is he has a good sense of humor.

He says he knows when to get out and not overstay his welcome, then at the end of the interview they thank him and say goodbye to him and he just sat there in his chair and kept thanking them for having him but made no move to leave. They kept on and on and he wouldn’t take the hint that the interview was over.


91 posted on 02/24/2008 12:58:10 AM PST by Zack Attack
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To: Zack Attack

Sorry, that won’t do.

Vote for him and get five others to do the same.

And be enthused.


92 posted on 02/24/2008 1:26:49 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: dixiechick2000
Feel free to defend it.

Mike Huckabee's positions, past, and commitments as president confirm knowing what "Caesar" is up to -- and provides a good sense he even knows quite a bit about what God's doings are.

93 posted on 02/24/2008 1:28:58 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: unspun

The very fact that he wants to render unto Ceasar more than Ceasar needs...re: tax increases in his own state...tells me more than I need to know about him.

BTW, I do respect him as a God loving man, and a good pastor.

But, he’s having the time of his life right now.

He’s gotta be loving that.


94 posted on 02/24/2008 1:39:32 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000
...And, I'm surprised at your rhetoric....

What exactly do you mean?

95 posted on 02/24/2008 2:12:20 AM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck :))
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To: deport
That isn't necessarily a good thing but it looks like what we are stuck with..... McCain

The increasingly Socialist GOP isn't stuck with Socialist McCain. They want him to be their candidate. Conservatives aren't stuck with him as they can always write in a candidate or vote for a Conservative of another party. It won't be a third party since the GOP has essentially aligned its political ideology with that of the Socialist Democrats.
96 posted on 02/24/2008 5:29:29 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Zack Attack
Anyone see Huckabee on Saturday Night Live tonight on the news segment? Great segment. I won’t vote for him, but one thing I can say for him is he has a good sense of humor.

I saw it! I was expecting him to crash and burn, jumble his lines and generally embarrass himself (as most politician do when they're on the show) but he was actually quite funny and had great timing. He had the crowd laughing.

97 posted on 02/24/2008 5:35:12 AM PST by Drew68
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To: dixiechick2000
The very fact that he wants to render unto Ceasar more than Ceasar needs...re: tax increases in his own state...tells me more than I need to know about him.

Arkansas had to raise taxes to meet their constitutional balanced budget mandate. They turned out to have a surplus (due in large part, to the exceedingly rapid growth of the Arkansas economy during his Arkansas governorship). Huckabee recommended that they use the surplus as a cue to elimnate sales taxes on food. That is what they set about doing.

98 posted on 02/24/2008 12:07:11 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: Kurt Evans

That would have to assume that all of Romney’s votes would be with held from McCain. McCain has won, face it!


99 posted on 02/24/2008 12:14:13 PM PST by billva
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To: Kurt Evans


100 posted on 02/24/2008 12:21:08 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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