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A Question for FR McCain Detractors
FR | 2-23-08 | Bob J

Posted on 02/23/2008 10:56:29 AM PST by Bob J

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To: JasonC
Who is Ahmadinejad rooting for this fall?

Ron Paul of course. His second choice would probably be McCrazy though. McCrazy's temper is very likely to cause a war with Russia, China, or both. We blow each other up and he can walk right in and take over.
661 posted on 02/24/2008 4:48:46 AM PST by John D
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To: Bob J
The there's the third group, those that viscerally dislike McCain and vow never to vote for him for any reason.

Sign me up.

What I don't understand is why some here are making such concerted efforts to dissuade others from voting for or supporting him.

I haven't seen that on FR. Quite the opposite. I am seeing what I saw in 2004. Party uber alles.

I'd rather be waterboarded than vote for Juan McCain.

662 posted on 02/24/2008 4:57:39 AM PST by sauropod (Will Hillary bring the silver back to the Whitehouse, or is this all about finishing up the set?)
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To: DoughtyOne
It is even more condesending to challenge them for not wanting to vote for a man who advocated that the MIA issue be laid to rest, so trade with Hanoi could commence.

MIAs and POWs. I do not think though his reason just to restore relations with Hanoi. I think is was that he did not want the stories of many to be told.
663 posted on 02/24/2008 5:07:58 AM PST by John D
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To: DoughtyOne; PhilDragoo; nicmarlo; Fiddlstix; devolve; potlatch; y'all
... Oh drat. I left out the Guantanamo B.S

He's done so DARN much stoopid stuff siding with the 'RATS,
who can keep up with it all?!?!

And it's ONE thing to reach across the aisle, but McRINO
goes over there and CAMPS OUT!

I know there have been LOTS of times I wanted to
reach across the aisle MYSELF ... and SLAP some sense
into those fools! But McRINO?? He goes over there and
gets into bed with 'em and stays !!!

664 posted on 02/24/2008 6:52:09 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: DoughtyOne; nicmarlo; y'all

LOL! :^D


665 posted on 02/24/2008 7:01:57 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Bob J

This is an academic discussion, because I think Obama loses huge in the general election. I think moderate democrats are scared witless by this empty suit, and will vote for McCain - twice if they could.

I wouldn’t have believed that, but my family has voted D all their life and will not vote for Obama for any reason. Amazing to witness them saying all of this but true.

For all of the reasons why I won’t vote for them, my liberal democrat family will. In the words of my brother, “He’s a true democrat, he just feels more like a democrat to me than a republican. It used to be that democrats were for strong national defense, and McCain is.”

As such, I think Conservatives can stay home and polish their silverware on the General and it won’t make a difference. Chances may very well be that he doesn’t carry one state.

Another interesting comment by my family: “Did you know that his middle name is Hussein? Did you know this guy is Muslim?” - Um, yeah - I did. When did you find out? . . .

Surreal, but true.

I think a Republican in the WH that is actually a liberal - he’s to the left of Kennedy, Moynihan, Zell Miller, and Scoop Jackson, can/will do more permanent damage to the US than having a democrat in office.

The R will do the damage, the left will cheer him on, and when the hangover hits the left will blame McCain for buying the booze in the first place.

So, instead of getting four, maybe eight years of a ‘truth-in-advertised’ democrat, we get four years of McCain, plus another eight years of a democrat - for a grand total of 12 years of liberalism in the WH.

I don’t have anything against McCain, but I think the party’s got to go at this point. Limbaugh made a good point last week - Look at what the NYT did to McCain about 30 seconds after McCain had the nomination.

Liberals are liberals. Moderates are simply liberals - they aren’t governing by platform or principle, but by coalition, which is what the liberal party is, the coalition party.

By nominating a liberal this time around, we are conceding the party, and replacing it with a coalition party just a little to the right of the other coalition party.

The natural result of that is a factioning on the right, placing conservatives in their own group.

What do you think the Gang of Fourteen was? It’s european style coaltion factional politics right here in the US.

The folks backing McCain are still clinging to the notion that we have two parties. We don’t. There’s a reason why this Congress got zero done this time around. They have their own conservative faction to deal with, not to mention the diametrically opposed special interests lobbying to a standstill on various bills.

What the party leadership hasn’t come out and said yet is that they do not think there are enough ‘principled’ conservatives left in the country to continue to have a Reaganite, principled platform by which to win elections.

What they ACTUALLY mean is that there aren’t enough CANDIDATES willing to govern by those principles once elected. They so hosed the party’s credibility in the last eight years that everything we once stood for is now up for the coalition most dedicated to represent it.

Face it, we aren’t the ‘small government, pro-life, pro-sovereignty, strict constructionalist, strong national defense, low tax’ party any more.

We, or at least I, am not angry at McCain, and am not voting for him because my panties are in a twist over it. I’m not voting for him because I’m part of the conservative coalition, and I think his election in November will give us 12 to 16 years of that agenda. If his opponent wins, we get 4, maybe eight years tops.

McCain supporters counter with, “What about the Supreme Court?!” What about it? Does a vote for McCain insure a conservative takes those seats that are projected to become vacant? I’m not sure any McCain supporter will sign that particular check and believe it won’t bounce.

I especially believe that if McCain wins without the support of conservatives, then he won’t feel as if he’s under any obligation at all to find an Alito or a Scalia. He’ll find O’Connors or probably someone inscrutable like Souter, who will tack one way or the other after being seated (Souter tacked hard left - seated by a Republican).

Look, good luck to you moderates, and I hope you get your candidate in November. I’m going to write in Thompson.


666 posted on 02/24/2008 7:24:57 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: nicmarlo

Say goodnight, Dick.
"Goodnight, Dick!"


667 posted on 02/24/2008 7:28:44 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: tomnbeverly

Your original post to me was mostly incoherent gibberish, but you somehow managed to get across a cheap shot that “Barrack” [sic] is somehow my “hero.” If that’s not an insult, then I guess I’m free to tell people that I saw you making out with Ted Kennedy under the bleachers at a football game. With all due respect.


668 posted on 02/24/2008 7:28:49 AM PST by xjcsa (I hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.)
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To: nicmarlo

That is my Uncle Dan and Uncle Dick, btw.

:)


669 posted on 02/24/2008 7:36:04 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Bob J
Maybe this will help!
670 posted on 02/24/2008 7:41:04 AM PST by Howie
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To: MeekOneGOP

lolol!

And all this time......I thought they were MY uncles!! : )

I used to LOVE that show!


671 posted on 02/24/2008 7:46:07 AM PST by nicmarlo (A vote for McRino is a false mandate for McShamnesty)
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To: xjcsa

thats an insult? No its a Fact... If you refuse to vote for McCain or if you vote third party or write in then you are an OBAMA enabler...

Good luck squaring your conscious away with that...

anyway like I said this forum will serve as history for those that enable the Rats... When you get Obama I can continue to complain you my friend cannot.


672 posted on 02/24/2008 7:57:52 AM PST by tomnbeverly (Change means talking to our enemies, does that mean that Obama will meat with drug dealers too?)
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To: xjcsa

thats an insult? No its a Fact... If you refuse to vote for McCain or if you vote third party or write in then you are an OBAMA enabler...

Good luck squaring your conscious away with that...

anyway like I said this forum will serve as history for those that enable the Rats... When you get Obama I can continue to complain you my friend cannot.


673 posted on 02/24/2008 7:57:53 AM PST by tomnbeverly (Change means talking to our enemies, does that mean that Obama will meat with drug dealers too?)
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To: DoughtyOne; MeekOneGOP
You are quite welcome, DoughtyOne!

Stop it, yer killing me...

lol......not my fault, it's Meek's. hehehe

674 posted on 02/24/2008 8:03:34 AM PST by nicmarlo (A vote for McRino is a false mandate for McShamnesty)
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To: MeekOneGOP
I know there have been LOTS of times I wanted to reach across the aisle MYSELF ... and SLAP some sense into those fools! But McRINO?? He goes over there and gets into bed with 'em and stays !!!

Exactly right, meek!

675 posted on 02/24/2008 8:04:52 AM PST by nicmarlo (A vote for McRino is a false mandate for McShamnesty)
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To: tomnbeverly
thats an insult? No its a Fact...

No, it's a lie. Or do I need to capitalize that? It's a Lie. There, that's better, apparently. Anyway I do not support Obama; he would be a disaster. But so would McCain.

If you refuse to vote for McCain or if you vote third party or write in then you are an OBAMA enabler...

Putting his name in all capital letters doesn't make it true. I just don't think a McCain presidency is necessarily any better for the country or for conservatism then an Obama presidency, in the long run.

Good luck squaring your conscious away with that...

The word is "conscience," and mine is fine.

anyway like I said this forum will serve as history for those that enable the Rats... When you get Obama I can continue to complain you my friend cannot.

Actually you called it a blog for some reason. Anyway you seem to share your McCain's views on free speech; you make a good couple.

676 posted on 02/24/2008 8:09:07 AM PST by xjcsa (I hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.)
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To: The past is the future

You and I are simpatico my friend.


677 posted on 02/24/2008 8:10:18 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: tomnbeverly
When you get Obama I can continue to complain you my friend cannot.

You even talk like McCain. Maybe you can explain to me why he incessantly uses the phrase "my friends" every time he opens his mouth.

678 posted on 02/24/2008 8:10:19 AM PST by xjcsa (I hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.)
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To: The past is the future

Your post was well worth the time.

Thank you.


679 posted on 02/24/2008 8:18:30 AM PST by dforest
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To: tomnbeverly

>>If you refuse to vote for McCain or if you vote third party or write in then you are an OBAMA enabler...<<

You are not helping your cause by telling me how to vote. In fact, I voted against McCain yesterday in the Texas Primary (no, I didn’t vote for Paul or Huck either).


680 posted on 02/24/2008 8:50:19 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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