Posted on 02/23/2008 3:44:22 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
“No, dont work with SAP, work with an American ERP company Oracle! ;-)
This is very sound advice. Also, Oracle contractors can get $100+ an hour for their work.”
SAP contractors get $150+ an hour. ;-)
That's a very good point, but it also works both ways.
I don't know a single person who is currently unemployed. In fact, I know a lot of people who are always worried about unemployment, outsourcing, etc. -- but none of these people have ever been unemployed in their lives.
Wow, that's good to know. I'm not entirely familiar with SAP. Kind of lost in my own world.
I'm checking out the web for references and just found this: SAP References
I'll read on...thanks again!
“Get set for major Democratic majorities. Job security will be the real issue in this campaign, with national security following up. Some people may have different names for these things, but that’s where it’s going to go.”
Your analysis is very thought-provoking.
I see it a bit differently, though.
There are two big issues for the electorate: 1) jobs/offshoring, and 2) illegal immigration.
I agree that the GOP, with their support of NAFTA and offshoring in general, has shot themselves in the foot with many of the semi-skilled workers. These people are strongly in the Obama camp now.
But the Democrats (and certain liberal Republicans like McCain) have shot themselves in the foot over Amnesty. Emotions over that issue run at least as high as NAFTA or globalization.
People won’t vote for a candidate who supports both NAFTA and Amnesty. Obama supports Amnesty but not NAFTA so he can win if the Amnesty issue never is brought to the forefront.
McCain supports both NAFTA and Amnesty but claims he doesn’t support Amnesty. He has come out for building a border fence FIRST but I don’t believe most people trust him on this issue.
Here’s where McCain still has a chance, though: if he were to admit that he was wrong on Amnesty and make border security a priority then he might be able to get a good share of the conservatives back in his camp. I believe that conservatives would be willing to vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils, but McCain still has to convince people on the Amnesty issue.
Likewise, in all the local and state elections people won’t necessarily vote for the Democrats — unless the GOP candidates are part of the “neo-Rockefeller wing of the Stupid party” as you say. Hopefully some of the people in the local races will get a clue, as they usually are more in tune with the local voters. It’s a guarantee that no local politician outside of California will be supporting Amnesty. After what happened last year they all know that it’s the 3rd rail of politics.
Correct, and when the unemployment runs out they are taken off the count, even if they are now on welfare.
Management and jobs that are customer facing. Project managers and program managers, businaess analysts to a lesser extent. Software developers are at most risk.
I've got news for you. Offshoring has been accelerating over the last 7 years like never before, and income taxes have absolutely nothing to do with it. Plain and simple, if you can pay a guy in India $15,000 a year for work you would pay someone in the states $45,000 for then income taxes don't enter into it. The sole reason for outsourcing is increasing business revenue. Ask anyone who works in the ares. Efficiencies don't enter in to it. Competence doesn't enter into it. Qualifications don't enter into it. It's money, pure and simple.
There aren't any.
There’s no business that’s in business by reducing costs. Reducing costs says one set of things clearly — your business is not so good and you don’t understand how to make it better, so you become the Obama and HOPE that by reducing costs you can survive until some magic occurs later, somehow, maybe ...
How do you develop such a skill set? You start at entry level and build up your skills and business knowledge by hands on experience over years. The problem is that the entry level jobs are gone and not returning. We're losing the jobs that used to grow our leadership in the IT and financial areas. It's the same with SAP. We outsource a lot of our SAP development to Asia.
I look at the IT area where I work and I would have to say that almost three-quarters of our resources are mid-40's or older. There is no next generation in the pipeline. Not any more.
So here it is in Black and White. I have been forced to outsource for more than 5 years. It has all been about cost savings.
I am now being requested to bring this work back in house. It is all about competence, skill sets ans Business expertise.
Even the Indians are outsourcing. I occasionally work with some software companies out here in Shanghai, Mphasis for example, that are coding for Indian headquarters companies back in Mumbai, on software development projects from the US and Europe. The English language skills of local Shanghainese are too low for them to interface directly with US clients - but they’re cheaper than Indian coders, and the Indian project managers can make bigger profits.
But lower costs are only part of the reason, as the Indian managers at these Shanghai branch companies tell me that competition in India for key IT skilled personnel in certain disciplines is so intense that they are forced to outsource to China.
As for quality, in it's U.S. heyday any programmer with a pulse could be guaranteed a job. Well the demand for IT resources hasn't diminished, it's just gone overseas. It doesn't surprise me at all that India has the same problem finding and retaining quality people that the U.S. used to have, and that they're dealing with less and less competent people.
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