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Honolulu PD, NRA Square Off On Rifle Debate
KITV-4 (Hawaii) ^ | 2/22/08 | n/a

Posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

A battle is brewing between the Honolulu Police Department and the Hawaii Rifle Association over a proposed ban of a high-powered sniper rifle.

KITV's Catherine Cruz reported that the 50-caliber rifle is dubbed the most powerful rifle on the market today, and the HPD said it is their worst nightmare. That is why they said they want it out of civilian hands.

It's a weapon that's long been used by the military and law enforcement, but in most states, a person can buy it over the Internet or from a gun store, which is making law enforcement uneasy.

"There is nothing we have that can withstand this. If you look at an armored car, those things have a half-inch of steel. These can go through 1 inch of steel at a thousand yards," HPD Major Gregory Lefcourt said.

The rifle can fire 10 rounds in 10 seconds, and the bullets can travel for miles, police officials said.

They said that a shot fired from the rooftop at police headquarters could precisely hit a target at the state Capitol, four-tenths of a mile away.

The National Guard calls the weapon a threat to homeland security.

"It does concern us -- shooting down airplanes four miles distances," Hawaii National Guard Gen.Gary Ishikawa said.

The National Rifle Association said that a ban would infringe on the right to bear arms. It argued that the weapon hasn't ever been used in a crime in the islands.

"We haven't had any incidents of robbers at banks or terrorist shooting airplanes -- it just doesn't happen," HRA member Mark Plischke said.

But police said they don't want to wait until then.

They said the proposed ban will die in the judiciary committee if they don't get enough public support for the bill.

The rifles are outlawed for civilian use in California, New Jersey and New York.

The HRA maintained that their members use it for hunting or eradicating goats. Others users of the rifle said they enter long range firing competitions

The rifle is so powerful that it has been banned from the Kokohead Firing Range, range officials said. The rifle is only allowed at military ranges, which are off limits to civilians.

It is also very expensive. One rifle will fetch about $8,000, officials said.

There are 125 registered owners of the high-powered rifle in the state, with 90 owners living on Oahu.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 50bmg; bang; banglist; hawaii; hi; nra; secondamendment
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1 posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:37 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

When was the last time a cop in Hawaii was shot with a 50 cal sniper rifle?


2 posted on 02/25/2008 8:41:11 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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No...The National Guard does NOT think it is a threat to Homeland Security. LIBERALS think it is a threat. It is used in less murders than Kennedy recreational activity over history.

I am tired of the demonization of inanimate objects that must be restricted from the 999,999,999 because of the ONE.


4 posted on 02/25/2008 8:42:19 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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"It does concern us -- shooting down airplanes four miles distances," Hawaii National Guard Gen.Gary Ishikawa said.

A bullet hole cannot bring down an aircraft.

5 posted on 02/25/2008 8:43:24 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MPJackal

When was the last time anyone in the United States was shot with one?

Honestly, it defies logic to try to explain the reasoning of some of these gun grabbers.


6 posted on 02/25/2008 8:43:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

More liberal ignorant hysteria and gun-ban politics.


7 posted on 02/25/2008 8:44:10 AM PST by EagleUSA
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"It does concern us -- shooting down airplanes four miles distances," Hawaii National Guard Gen.Gary Ishikawa said.

That would be one heck of a marksman!
8 posted on 02/25/2008 8:44:20 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: DoughtyOne

Don’t these 50s cost thousands of dollars?


9 posted on 02/25/2008 8:44:53 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: kiriath_jearim
"It does concern us -- shooting down airplanes four miles distances," Hawaii National Guard Gen.Gary Ishikawa said.

Obviously a General in the Hawaii National Guard is an appointed position.

10 posted on 02/25/2008 8:45:09 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: SoldierDad
Other than the pure excitement of shooting such a weapon, does this gun have any legitimate purpose for civilian use?

you could say the same thing about any weapon for that matter.../s

11 posted on 02/25/2008 8:45:36 AM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: SoldierDad

It has a legitamate 2nd Amendment use.


12 posted on 02/25/2008 8:45:59 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: SoldierDad
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Do you have a problem with that?
13 posted on 02/25/2008 8:46:00 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: kiriath_jearim
but in most states, a person can buy it over the Internet

This is a Bold faced lie !

14 posted on 02/25/2008 8:46:35 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Puppage

It did on almost all Japanese planes during the war.


15 posted on 02/25/2008 8:47:26 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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I grew up on Oahu, and 20 years ago, just to buy a .22 you needed to go to the police dept and get a permit, complete with photo. It's pretty much "Police State" when it comes to firearms in Hawaii. You can count the firing ranges available to the civilian public on one finger, the range out by Sandy Beach on the east side of the island. Tell you what, on Oahu at least, it would be pointless to bother with a .50 cal, I'm sure the range wouldn't allow it since it's not large enough. I think this particular brouhaha is entirely about the right to own a .50 cal, not the practicality of it. And indeed, I'm sure the Police State will have it's way.
16 posted on 02/25/2008 8:47:57 AM PST by kittycatonline.com
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I think we should ban unicorns from horse racing.

While it’s true that I have never seen a unicorn in a horse race, it sure wouldn’t be fair if one entered!


17 posted on 02/25/2008 8:48:23 AM PST by Tex Pete
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To: SoldierDad

What was the original intent behind citizens having gun ownership rights? Who were they going to protect themselves from ultimately?

Yes, there is a civilian use for these weapons, and the government doesn’t like it. Too bad.

These guns are not misused. There isn’t a single incident on record involving them. And the governments, local to federal should butt the hell out.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 8:48:31 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: SoldierDad

Please provide us with your list of things that constitute a “legitimate civilian use”. Then go read the US Constitution and the writings of the men who wrote, debated and ultimately ratified that document and see if your thoughts on civilian firearms ownership even remotely resemble theirs. I’m guessing they won’t.


19 posted on 02/25/2008 8:48:56 AM PST by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: kiriath_jearim

The People’s Republic of Hawaii. No surprise here...


20 posted on 02/25/2008 8:49:03 AM PST by egginanest ( "Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you." -Winston Churchill-)
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