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Here's a rag, Norm. Sorry about your shoes.
Posted on 02/26/2008 8:09:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Immigrants are far less likely than the average U.S.-born citizen to commit crime in California, the most populous state in the United States, according to a report issued late on Monday.
People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.
According to the report's authors the findings suggest that long-standing fears of immigration as a threat to public safety are unjustified. The report also noted that U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate more than 2 1/2 times greater than that of foreign-born men.
"Our research indicates that limiting immigration, requiring higher educational levels to obtain visas, or spending more money to increase penalties against criminal immigrants will have little impact on public safety," said Kristin Butcher, co-author of the report and associate professor of economics at Wellesley College.
The study did not differentiate between documented immigrants and illegal immigrants.
The question of what to do about the millions of undocumented workers living in the United States has been one of the major issues in the U.S. presidential election. Mexico, which accounts for a high proportion of illegal immigrants in California, was deeply disappointed at the U.S. Congress' failure to pass President George W. Bush's overhaul of immigration laws last year.
When Butcher and her co-author, Anne Morrison Piehl, associate professor of economics at Rutgers University, considered all those committed to institutions including prison, jails, halfway houses and the like, they found an even greater disparity.
Among men 18 to 40, the population most likely to be in institutions because of criminal activity, the report found that in California, U.S.-born men were institutionalized 10 times more often than foreign-born men (4.2 percent vs. 0.42 percent).
Among other findings in the report, non-citizen men from Mexico 18 to 40 -- a group disproportionately likely to have entered the United States illegally -- are more than eight times less likely than U.S.-born men in the same age group to be in a correctional institution (0.48 percent vs. 4.2 percent).
"From a public safety standpoint, there would be little reason to further limit immigration, to favor entry by high-skilled immigrants, or to increase penalties against criminal immigrants," the report said.
Pardon me Norm, but I say BS.
Smells like something....hmmm....oh, it’s B.S.
Are they hiding illegals in there with the legitimate immigrants?
"...said Kristin Butcher, co-author of the report and associate professor of economics at Wellesley College..."
"...her co-author, Anne Morrison Piehl, associate professor of economics at Rutgers University..."
Bipartisan Think Tank. Uh Huh. Sure.
I am going to pour myself a fine glass of port and enjoy the fireworks.
The title doesn’t follow from the evidence. It might just be the more immigrants flee to the south after committing crimes than natives do, therefore, never ending up in prison. It could also be that police or prosecutors, knowing the deck is stacked against them, don’t bother arresting or prosecuting immigrants. There are many possible reason other than “they commit fewer crimes” to explain their lower incidence in the prison population.
Pardon me, I must have missed it, when did Los Angeles start asking immigration stauts?
LOL!
WHO funded THAT study?
McCain? The Obomination? Hitlery?
How many "immigrants" in santuary cities in California are given a free pass for their crimes?
Absolutely. This has been discussed all over LA rado today.
Regards.
Uh, oh! Now I done it! The hated double post! Time to call it a night.
The cops don’t know who is an illegal alien.
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"From a public safety standpoint, there would be little reason to further limit immigration, to favor entry by high-skilled immigrants, or to increase penalties against criminal immigrants," the report said.
So, hardworking legal Asian immigrants are put in the same boat as illegals. And based on that conflation, the study goes on to say there is no reason to limit ILLEGAL immigration(!)
Sort of like making no distinction between guns being used in school shootings, and guns being used to kill criminals while attacks are in progress. Stupid, junk science. (Leading to the desired PC conclusion, naturally.)
Do you have more than feelings to go on?
This study does omit one factor: the higher proportion of immigrants among those incarcerated in federal lockup, as opposed to those in CA state facilities.
However, that number alone would only account for a small portion of the discrepancy.
Another possible skewing factor: black Americans are incarcerated at rates far above any other demographic group and almost all of them are native-born. Los Angeles and Oakland are both high-crime cities.
However, black Americans are about 10% of the national population and only 6.5% of the CA population.
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf
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Here's a rag, Norm. Sorry about your shoes.
Can I suggest those who take issue with the study contact the authors.
http://www.ppic.org/main/contact.asp
68 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Please post a link. That is a compelling statistic.
It depends on the meaning of the word “IS”.
“the report found that in California, U.S.-born men were institutionalized 10 times more often than foreign-born men (4.2 percent vs. 0.42 percent).”
“The study did not differentiate between documented immigrants and illegal immigrants”
Many first generation Mexican men join gangs and commit lot’s of crime.
Many illegals are deported without being charged.
Many are arrested but flee while on bail and never come back.
Total B/S
We had a thread discussing this study last night. It’s bogus. It doesn’t differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. It doesn’t take into account that the prisoners in federal prisons are often from other states. It doesn’t take into account that much of the prison population consists of older prisoners serving long terms, who were imprisoned before the massive immigration wave began. It doesn’t take into account that many criminal aliens are deported rather than imprisoned. And on and on.
Look at your link:
Akopyan, Vahagan
Bonilla, Pedro Antonio
Campos, Fausto Adalberto
Contreras, Byron Adolfo
http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted
Yeah the 10 Most wanted in L.A. ... .
What a crock this “study” is.
Monarrez, Jesse Enrique
Nistal, Cesar Augusto
Perez, Demecio Carlos
Reyes, Ramon
Vargas, Victor
Villa, Ruben
This one is just too easy. Apples and oranges.
They are comparing the *prison population* vs. the *actual number of crimes committed (arrests)* of illegals vs. US citizens. A lot of illegals who commits crimes are either a) deported, b) flee the country, or c) not prosecuted due to political correctness in the upper ranks of urban Police Departments.
Reuters is really slipping.
It doesn't say that.
Another BS report by the left, undeserving of a thread at FR...
Even if it’s one crime. It’s one crime that wouldn’t have been committed here if the perpetrator hadn’t been able to get across the border.
good post. I’d bet these findings are generally valid.
BINGO!
It says: “From a public safety standpoint, there would be little reason to further limit immigration,” with no distinction being made between legal and illegal immigration (as quoted earlier in the article).
LA is about 50% Mexican.
Additionally, there are no low-income white neighborhoods in LA.
One would expect the 10 Most Wanted List to look like this. The fact that there is a non-Mexican on it is surprising, actually.
I have noticed that if someone driving 5 mph under the speed limit when I finally get around if is often a Mexican male about 20-40. I believe that the majority try to live unnoticed. But the gang element more than makes up for it.
At least on the face of it, it also doesn’t seem to address the U.S. born children of illegal aliens, nor does it include juveniles.
Do you have a link to the thread from last night? Let’s link it up..
"Hiding"? That flat-out said they were counting anyone - legal or illegal - who was not native-born.
Assumption is that all criminals are caught tried and sentenced.
Build the fence and enforce existing immigration and residency laws. Dry up the wells of support and comfort and suddenly things weren’t quite so bad back home. Self-deportation is working everywhere it’s tried.
Perhaps all these able-bodied illegal immigrants can plant the seeds of change in their own countries when they get back home. -Wb
Are native-born criminals inherently less capable of avoiding detection, or going on the lam?
........than Al Capone.
Here in LA they are the guys with the martricular consular cards and no insurance.
Absolutely correct (see # 29).
As a Libertarian, I'm not reflexively a "deport-em-all-type" (I do think there is a genuine economic interest for some importation of foreign workers), but this entire "study" is bogus. Their assumptions are totally faulty.
It's a conclusion looking for a methodology, not vice-versa.
It's loaded with liberals. No credibility here. Leon Panetta? Crikey!
Look up the board of directors..
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