Posted on 02/29/2008 6:33:11 PM PST by Sioux-san
Complicity in murder is a sin. Similarly, complicity in abortion, or helping to enable or spread abortion, is a sin.
It is not morally licit to vote for someone who will increase abortions, as both these people will predictably do.
His first day in office, clinton reversed Reagan’s Mexico City policy and started spending taxpayer dollars on abortions around the world. That alone disqualified him as someone Catholics could vote for.
His first day in ofice, Bush reversed clinton’s Executive Order.
No doubt whatever that on their first day in office, hillary or Obama would do what clinton did. hillary favors any and all abortions, has worked hard to spread abortion around the world. Obama has voted three times against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act at the state level.
That disqualifies them, because both clearly are determined to do more of the same.
RE: Maybe a modernist liberal "Catholic" persuaded by the Renaissance Protestant ethos of secularism, egalitarianism, and materialism is so inclined... But a faithful traditional Catholic will always reject and condemn such reprobates, and reject the godless ideals of 'The Revolution'... the inverted 'Cult of Man' with it's humanist manifesto, and all that subverts God in favor to the "separation of Church and State"
If Catholics "get so little respect" it is because many have bought into the phony "ecumenical" movement, consuming themselves with the appeasement of Protestants and other assorted heretics, so to worship the "god" of worldliness, at the expense of preserving the One Catholic Apostolic Faith.
As for Barack Obama... He is the "reincarnation" of Hughey Long... an empty shell that spews evil demagoguery for dupes of the Devil.
According to Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington, supporting legal abortion is not a sin. Archbishop Wuerl teaches this by refusing to say that pro-abortion Catholics are not to be given Communion, as he would be required to do by Canon 915—IF supporting legal abortion were a sin. But it isn’t, because Wuerl teaches that it isn’t.
If supporting legal abortion isn’t a sin, then getting an abortion is not a sin, either. Archbishop Wuerl teaches very clearly that abortion is not a sin, because if he did believe that abortion is a sin, he would make the announcement that Canon 915 requires: those who support legal abortion are public sinners, and must not be given Communion.
It would be helpful to the pro-life movement if the Archbishop of Washington didn’t teach that being pro-abortion is not sinful.
The man has the same gaze of Adolph Hitler... His eyes give him away. He is as evil as the day is long. He is a false Christ. Somewhere about him is the ‘Mark’
Archbishop Wuerl has failed in his duties as a bishop. I’m sorry to say that, but it’s clearly the case. On this issue he is not acting in accordance with the teachings of the Church, and is not in unity with the Pope and the Magisterium.
It’s a sad business. One should honor one’s shepherd, but that does not entail blind obedience when the shepherd has clearly gone astray on certain issues.
Wrong.
Catholic Bishops have very publicly asserted that any Catholic who contracts an abortion, assists in procuring an abortion, or votes for any politician that supports abortion, is automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
‘In 2002, as an Illinois state senator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act and twice helped kill it in committee. This bill would have protected those miracle babies that somehow survived late-term abortions.’
IMHO it would be a mortal sin to vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
But then...I’m not the Pope.
The difference between the current regime and Obama is that one is white and one is half black.........
Both are very political......
I’m with you.
Most of those clerics you refer to are practitioners of “Liberation theology” ... a liberal heresy condemned by John Paul II. It is nothing more than Marxism hiding behind a thin veil of Catholic nuance. Most of these “liberation” zealots come from South America.
A faithful believing Catholic most certainly cannot. Obama is a pro-abortion extremist,who endorses the killing of unborn children through all nine months of gestation. He is also a supporter of infanticide. He single-handedly killed the Illinois Live Birth Protection Act, intended to protect the survivors of botched abortions. The act was deemed necessary after a medical professional testified that the tiny victims were being allowed to die unattended in at least one Chicago-area hospital. Obama rails against special interests, but he is TOTALLY in the pocket of the abortion industry from which he has accepted millions of dollars.
A faithful believing Catholic most certainly cannot. Obama is a pro-abortion extremist,who endorses the killing of unborn children through all nine months of gestation. He is also a supporter of infanticide. He single-handedly killed the Illinois Live Birth Protection Act, intended to protect the survivors of botched abortions. The act was deemed necessary after a medical professional testified that the tiny victims were being allowed to die unattended in at least one Chicago-area hospital. Obama rails against special interests, but he is TOTALLY in the pocket of the abortion industry from which he has accepted millions of dollars.
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correct. A Catholic can not obtain an abortion, materially assist in aiding an abortion, nor counsel one. Voting is far more complex, and different Catholics have different methods of weighing their duties.
The Church urges them to weigh all life issues-—including abortion but also other life issues, including ones outside of the womb when voting. That includes issues like the death penalty, war, third world poverty, globalization-—etc, etc.
I know liberal Catholics who doctrinaire Catholics of good standing. Some do vote for Democratic candidates-—their rationale being that the President does not force anyone to get an abortion, and has very limited power to actually change abortion laws much to begin with.
In defense of my more liberal Catholic brethren, I would like to say that overturning Roe, while desirable (at least we could get this issue out of the federal court system and end this heinous masquerade of abortion as an inalienable right), will not stop abortion nor would making abortion illegal in 50 states. Just like drugs, people would be able to get abortions, and with the abortion pills now readily available, they will be all the easier to get.
What it comes down to is this: The only way to really stop abortions is to make people want to stop having them.
I will probably vote for someone else (fill in the blank - maybe Hunter or Thompson).
I was struggling so hard to somehow find a reason to vote for McCain because in a lot of ways, I think it is the right thing to do. But after this, I just cannot do it.
That is true. But he can control what he puts on his own website. Can't he? And he can control whether or not he is, in his own words, "very honored" by the endorsement. McCain can control that aspect of things, can he not?
Here is what he said: "I'm very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement today," McCain said at a news conference. "He has been the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement in many areas, but especially, most especially, his close ties and advocacy for the freedom and independence of the state of Israel."
And here, on his own website, is where he posted it. Because he's proud of it, clearly:
http://johnmccain.com/Informing/News/NewsReleases/9e22596a-63ba-464e-a870-4b8099a3f32c.htm
Yes, I ran into a few of them in my grad school days (early ‘80’s) and was taken in - for about 5 minutes! Some friends of mine were devotees of Father Matthew Fox, this is before he was excommunicated and became an Episcopal priest. It sounds so appealing, “liberation theology” and it’s really a problem still in many areas of Latin America, which the Holy Father addressed when he was there, and of course among the Jesuits, who sort of have their own special version.
I think you’re right that it’s come into play, but in some cases it’s not even that the bishops have a defined identification with liberation theology, more of a general leftist orientation toward a politicized religion of peace and justice instead of salvation. It’s all interwoven and may take 10-20 years to get purged from the church as these guys die out and hopefully younger orthodox ones come in?
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