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Did Republican crossovers keep Hillary alive?

Posted on 03/05/2008 8:55:14 AM PST by reaganator

The total of McCain and Huckleby votes in Ohio yesterday were approximately 955,000.

The total of Obama and Clinton votes in Ohio yesterday were approximately 2,150,000.

Clinton won by approximately only 227,000 votes.

Where were the Republicans? Did at least 227,000 Republicans crossover yesterday and vote for Hillary?

In Texas, Clinton won by approximately only 98,000 votes. There in Texas there was also a much smaller number of Republicans voting for McCain and Huckleby. It's sure very reasonable to think that at least 98,000 Republicans crossed over in Texas.

Did the Republican voters keep Hillary in the race?


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To: A Texan
Thank you FRiend, I was just speaking the simple facts but unfortunately not enough people listened. Who are we here on FR to compete with Rush Limbaugh!
51 posted on 03/05/2008 9:18:38 AM PST by jveritas (Rush Limbaugh for President (extreme sarcasm))
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To: reaganator

>>Did Republican crossovers keep Hillary alive?<<

That was the goal.


52 posted on 03/05/2008 9:20:05 AM PST by RobRoy (I'm confused. I mean, I THINK I am, but I'm not sure. But I could be wrong about that.)
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To: A Texan
I voted for Obama in Texas so my vote canceled out a Rush worshiper.

There were threads posted here urging Republicans to vote for Obama which preceded Rush's comments by a week or more. Hillary Derangement Syndrome is as far-reaching as Limbaugh's radio show, so it's possible that Republican crossover voters split evenly into two camps. Since there's no hard data to be had, the finger-pointing is useless.

53 posted on 03/05/2008 9:20:26 AM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Revolting cat!
"the Clintons are so corrupt and immoral they are too dangerous to have such power"

They are, but we did survive under them before. Corrupt yes, but in a self-interested way, I don't think they want to destroy the nation's democracy.

Obama on the other hand has no experience, and wants to pay the UN a global poverty tax of $900 billion. We wouldn't even have the leverage that comes from foreign aid any more.

Obama is potentially a far worse candidate.

54 posted on 03/05/2008 9:20:28 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: trisham

I agree, I lost one of my “living heroes” when President Reagan dies. My other two are still alive, my Father who raised 12 of us children on factory pay and whatever 2nd and sometimes 3rd job he could do while Mother stayed home and worked and saved. And Mr. Limbaugh, a true patriot in the order of Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams and Alexander Hamilton.


55 posted on 03/05/2008 9:22:13 AM PST by reaganator
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To: reaganator
There have been several Republicans here at FR that said they crossed over to support Obama.
56 posted on 03/05/2008 9:22:17 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: KansasGirl; Steve0113
What the hell were Republicans thinking? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

They were thinking that Rush is smarter than they. They may be right, but if you let somebody else tell you how to vote, it's not a very high bar.

I have a bet with my husband, dating back to when Obama announced, that he and Hillary would end up on the ticket together. I was about to pay it off, but not after last night.

57 posted on 03/05/2008 9:24:14 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Antoninus

Agreed.

When the Clintons take office for another 8 years, Rush is going to rue the day that we could have delivered the knockout punch but held back. Who knows they may even find a way to knock him off the air. The Clintons would repeal the entire bill of rights if it suited their ends.


58 posted on 03/05/2008 9:24:27 AM PST by KingofZion
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To: Bobkk47
Listening to Rush right now. What delights him about all this perverse strategy is that it keeps the primary contest alive and on-going.

Who would've thought a radio talk show host would want the never-ending turmoil?

59 posted on 03/05/2008 9:26:05 AM PST by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Antoninus

In Texas it looks like 600,000 voters voted for the Dem President on the ballet and did not vote for anyone else. They are thing that about 500 to 600 thousand crossed over. In Williamson County, Tarent and Fortbend went all Democratic for the first time since 1980 during a primary!


60 posted on 03/05/2008 9:27:36 AM PST by BQ91
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To: nina0113

That’s what I think. Republicans just insured a Hillary/Obamessiah ticket.


61 posted on 03/05/2008 9:28:02 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: reaganator
Your parents are exceptional people. I’m also a fan of Limbaugh, and am disappointed in the recent criticism of him by some here.
62 posted on 03/05/2008 9:28:27 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: KansasGirl
What the hell were Republicans thinking? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

Romney owns Talking Points Radio. He strikes a deal with McCain for Veep. Because Talking Points Radio has been so opposed to McCain, they have to figure out a way to help him avoid a brokered convention by winning Texas without appearing like total Flip-Floppers. The genius plan was to trick the anti McCain vote to go for Hillary instead of Huckabee, and by doing so, help clinch the nomination for McCain(Romney). It wasn't about Hillary, it was about Romney.

63 posted on 03/05/2008 9:28:47 AM PST by Tramonto (Huckabee FairTax Huckabee FairTax Huckabee FairTax)
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To: JackRyanCIA
reaganator said:

"Did the Republican voters keep Hillary in the race?”

JackRyanCIA replied:

"That was the idea! Let them cut each other up."

I was listening to Rush back on Feb. 26 and he was jokingly encouraging Republican voters to vote for Hillary in the Ohio primary, so that her and Obama would keep on going after each other. It was so funny and I almost wrecked the car because I was laughing so much!

64 posted on 03/05/2008 9:31:51 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: jveritas
It is unfortunate and I still can’t comprehend Rush’s logic. The Beasts momentum, plus her desire for power and her/Bill corruption, I believe, will now lead them right into the White House. And if Obama ends up being the VP you can write the election off two seconds after the announcement.
65 posted on 03/05/2008 9:33:45 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: reaganator

Its not Rush’s fault. His mind is being warped by the same evil force that ALWAYS saves the KKKlintons. Time and again decent men have inexplicably thrown away their respectability by suddenly supporting these hellspawn.


66 posted on 03/05/2008 9:33:49 AM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: Tramonto

I must be missing something, a brokered GOP convention? Huck wasn’t even close to McCain in delegates.

I’m with Kansasgirl, this was a ridiculous plan. 9% of republican voters in TX voted for hillary, giving her the victory and momentum with superdelegates. IMHO, a clinton obama ticket assures GOP defeat in November.


67 posted on 03/05/2008 9:36:11 AM PST by bayareablues
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To: Charles Martel

I get what your saying, I believe (but have no proof) that the Beast won Texas because of Rush. Rush followers out number any other media outlet 1,000 fold. Ohio is a different story.


68 posted on 03/05/2008 9:37:16 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Those “conservatives” and “FReepers” who voted for Hillary are fools. Rush too ought to be ashamed of himself. “

It sounds like he is getting off on the media reaction to his idiocy. He is becoming a MSM attention whore.


69 posted on 03/05/2008 9:39:04 AM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: bayareablues

He didn’t need to catch up to McCain, he just needed to keep him from getting 1191 pledged delegates. If Hukcabee wins Texas, it makes it much harder for McCain to clinch. If Rush had asked his followers to vote for a brokered convention, Huckabee would have won Ohio and Texas and we would have had a brokered convention.


70 posted on 03/05/2008 9:42:10 AM PST by Tramonto (Huckabee FairTax Huckabee FairTax Huckabee FairTax)
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To: dominic flandry

Although I agree that Hillary will be the better “Uniter” for the Republicans, McCain makes it a long-shot. The best we can hope for is a Democratic Party that is still infighting at election time. Most Dems are racists at heart so their nature makes this scenario very likely.


71 posted on 03/05/2008 9:42:34 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“There’s one major red state that will be going blue in November, and with it, a probable electoral college lock for the Democrat.”

It’s not hard to figure out. Ohio is going to be blue if the Dem candidate is Bozo the Clown.
Many references to here Ohio being “utterly depressed”. It’s true. For years the comments about the great economy have not been true for Ohio. And when I mention it, the kind of freeper replies I get are something like:

“Are you typing on a computer? Is your electicity on?”
“You’re doing fine, what’s your complaint?”
“Suck it up, Ohio needs to work harder.”

And of course:

“See what a Democrat governor does?”

Except Bob Taft (R), was responsible for much devistation, and corruption.

I think it’s going to be time to pay the piper this November. Ohio will be very blue.


72 posted on 03/05/2008 9:42:44 AM PST by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: jveritas

The democrats crossed over and gave us McCain so the republicans crossed over and gave the democrats a dog fight that will involve a lot of time and expense. Good! Just watch the crap fly now as the Hildabeast and Hussein beat each other to death.....pass the popcorn please! We just handed the damn democrats some of their own medicine.


73 posted on 03/05/2008 9:44:05 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Hacklehead
“Those “conservatives” and “FReepers” who voted for Hillary are fools. Rush too ought to be ashamed of himself.

Rush better watch out what he wished for. How foolish of him. But more foolish are the people who listed to him. Seriously Rush was a DJ here in Pittsburgh. He is now entertaining millions. Where does he get his superior knowledge regarding politics.

This reminds of the James Bond movies. Why did not just kill James Bond when they had their chance.

74 posted on 03/05/2008 9:47:12 AM PST by cynicalman
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To: reaganator
To all the hilaphobics: the beast has a “I would never vote for her” number of 46% now and it has been 52%. It has not been below 40% in about two years. Obama’s number on the latest survey (Rasmussen) was 43%. McCain’s was 34% which is exactly on target. No one will lose this race with less than 35 million votes. This will be a rather easy victory for McCain. If the rat is stupid enough to put both of them on the ticket, it will be over in mid October.
75 posted on 03/05/2008 9:47:22 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: I still care

I agree with Dick Moris.


76 posted on 03/05/2008 9:47:38 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: KansasGirl
What the hell were Republicans thinking? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

You could be right--Republicans may be reaping the whirlwind. However, there may actually be a strategic outcome to it. By giving Hitlary the wins, she may be able to hang on until the convention during which time she and her clan will be putting lots of pressure on the superdelegates to vote for her. If she wins the nomination, then LOTS of Obama supporters are going to be pi$$ed big time and the backlash will be that they vote for McCain. He is, afterall, a "moderate" and more acceptable to the Dems. I'm not sure Obama supporters would even stand for him being the VP choice--they do NOT want to be second best.

77 posted on 03/05/2008 9:47:56 AM PST by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Mr. Jeeves wrote:

There’s one major red state(Ohio) that will be going blue in November, and with it, a probable electoral college lock for the Democrat.

Not so fast. Polling in Ohio has Obama leading McCain, by only a point or 2. Hillary polls better against McCain. Either way about 20% of the state is undecided,this state is a toss up or leans blue. McCain can win this though.

78 posted on 03/05/2008 9:56:27 AM PST by skully (Conservatives...carrying the GOP since 1980)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Those "conservatives" and "FReepers" who voted for Hillary are fools. Rush too ought to be ashamed of himself.

Well, I voted for Her Thighness, and with all due respect, I consider myself neither.

I'm so glad that you (and so many others here) are such brilliant political strategist and soooo politically savy and of course, are in possession of a crystal ball which allows all of you to "know with certainty," the outcome of events and the causation thereof.

Me, I'm just a regular 64 year old, semi retired, vet, whose been around and voting for 44 years and operates on personal experience and instincts, which have served me well up to now.

I'm a Conservative (NOT A REPUBLICAN) and this is the 1st time I voted for a Dhummy in 44 years, since I voted for LBJ

And while I've listened to Rush for 19 years, I am NOT a mind-numbed robot. I decided to do this several weeks ago, BEFORE Rush began to suggest this strategy.

Moreover, as much as I despise Hitlery, I fear Barack ("Peace Be Upon His Middle No Name") Obama even more.

As we speak, the RNC is besides themselves trying to figure out how to attack B.O., without seeming to be "attacking" him.

Do you or anyone else REALLY believe that the MSM will NOT do everything in their power to insure his anointment??

Moreover, if Hildabeast gets the nod, I believe that many blacks will be so pissed, they will stay home.

Next, as Hitlery's negatives are so high, many will stay home and many others will turn out simply to vote AGAINST her--much as many of us did in 04 against Kerry.

Last but not least, it is pure pleasure to F*ck with the Dhimis and create mischief and mayhem, which will be the case if The Witch can pull off a couple of wins and continues to campaign.

Does anyone doubt for one minute that the reason we are now saddled with one of the biggest RINO's in Congress is because the Dhimis did in fact use this very same tactic in the early primaries/caucuses?

My conscience will be clear and I won't even bother confessing this "transgression" to my parish priest. LoL

Hey, the way I see it, I'm just following the lead of our presumptive leader McPain, as he preaches (AND PRACTICES) "reaching across the aisle," if you will.

Whether it works or not (to forment confusion, tumult, chaos, etc., within the D party) remains to be seen.

In the meantime, I would suggest that you and others tune it down a notch or 5 and let's just see how this all shakes out. There will be time enough down the road for recriminations (OR ADMISSIONS OF I TOLD YOU SO FROM EITHER ONE OF US)or Kudos.

As for me I have No Regrets.

79 posted on 03/05/2008 9:57:55 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: Cicero
Percentage of voters who say they will DEFINITELY NOT vote for:
Clinton = 47%
Obama = 43%
(average of polls)

Looks like Hillary is more beatable.

80 posted on 03/05/2008 9:58:09 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: reaganator

that is crap. No way 100,000 republicans switched to vote for hill in texas. Some crossovers i am sure voted for obama as they have in other states to stop Hill.
The democrat turnout over the course of the primaries has been way way way way higher than republican turn out.
I would love to find out exactly how many republicans did cross over in Texas.


81 posted on 03/05/2008 10:01:10 AM PST by libbylu (I voted for Nixon,Ford,Reagan,Bush,Dole,Bush. NO WAY MCCAIN.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Perhaps by your definition...but clearly not by theirs.

You have your opinion on the best way to defeat the dems, they clearly had theirs.

I personally would love to see Hillary and Obama rip their figurative throats out in the run up to their convention. Hillary has shown that by attacking Obama she can make up ground so I expect that tactic to continue.

82 posted on 03/05/2008 10:01:16 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: reaganator

“Crossover” is a noun.

The question is, Did Republicans cross over?


83 posted on 03/05/2008 10:04:25 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: reaganator
My best friend in Texas gulped and did as Rush suggested. She walked to the Democrat table and stated she wanted to vote for Hillary. A, very nice, black couple was working the table and handing out ballots. After she voted she noticed the couple was encouraging the Democrats around her to come back at 7:15 for the caucus. They were Obama voters. My friend was not asked to come back.

My guess is Obama will win the Texas caucuses.

84 posted on 03/05/2008 10:04:45 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: reaganator
There may be more to this:


85 posted on 03/05/2008 10:06:52 AM PST by mikrofon (Psychic Psuggestion)
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To: reaganator

It is all proceeding according to our design. The only way Hillary can win is to put Michigan and Florida back into play, and even after that only with Super Delegate dirty tricks and backroom deals. This scenario would produce a nomination which would alienate half her party and lead to a Republican landslide in November, and possible the Senate as well.


86 posted on 03/05/2008 10:07:15 AM PST by montag813
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To: reaganator

It is all proceeding according to our design. The only way Hillary can win is to put Michigan and Florida back into play, and even after that only with Super Delegate dirty tricks and backroom deals. This scenario would produce a nomination which would alienate half her party and lead to a Republican landslide in November, and possible the Senate as well.


87 posted on 03/05/2008 10:07:17 AM PST by montag813
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To: reaganator
I have a new term for this tactic, if I may be so bold:

Vote-egery.

88 posted on 03/05/2008 10:09:59 AM PST by outlawcam (Would you rather shout at the devil from across the aisle, or have him whisper in your ear?)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Looks like Hillary is more beatable.

You have to keep in mind that maybe 20 million more dead people would vote for hillary than Obama. She's been building her machine for a much longer time.

89 posted on 03/05/2008 10:13:50 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DannyTN
Obama is potentially a far worse candidate.

Conjecture, pure conjecture. On the other hand, we know well the criminality to expect from the Witch and the partner.

90 posted on 03/05/2008 10:15:44 AM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Rather be a fool than a full blown idiot that doesn’t see the stategic brilliance of keeping her in the race! This is a slow bleed campaign by keeping her in. More and more resources have to be burned to get the nomination, depleating coffers. McCain was a lock, so I crossed over to keep her in the race. The longer it drags out, the more the DNC will tear themselves apart! Obama is the one to really worry about. Charism can win elections over substance! (see JFK vs. Nixon, Carter vs. Ford & Clinton vs Bush & Dole) Keeping her in is like throwing a porkchop in the middle of a pitbull fight. Just makes it that much more vicious! And if it get brokered, it will be out and out civil war!


91 posted on 03/05/2008 10:16:05 AM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: I still care

A Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket will motivate me to stand on street corners holding a Nader sign. Nothing else will motivate me to be significantly involved.


92 posted on 03/05/2008 10:19:11 AM PST by Samizdat
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To: Antoninus
If they did, they were stupid for doing so

Yep, careful what you wish for. It would have been better for obama to wrap it up and then let the wheels come off after he is the duly chosen candidate. The specter of resko, nafta and all the rest to come bringing down the candidate of choice after it was too late for the dims to regroup would have been much better. We are only closer to a hillary presidency now.

93 posted on 03/05/2008 10:26:48 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: BillyBoy
It would have been soooo much better to just hand to Obama victory NOW so he can spend the next 7 months firing away nonstop at McCain and being worshiped nonstop by the media for "making history"

During this time, McCain would be out of cash and therefore unable to respond to these attacks. Sound familiar?
(Hint: think Dole 1996)

94 posted on 03/05/2008 10:39:27 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Revolting cat!
Not entirely conjecture.

Given the choice between 4-8 more years of Arkancide and petty theft vs subjecting the U.S. to the U.N., I'll take Arkancide.

95 posted on 03/05/2008 10:43:02 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: reaganator
These were not winner take all primaries. I doubt the crossover votes swung the delegate counts more than a handful in either direction. I bet there was also a number that crossed over and voted for Obama, against Hillary.

Obama leads Hillary by about 100 delegates.

It's possible that Republicans gave Hillary enough votes to get a symbolic victory in Texas, and less likely but possible in Ohio.

Hillary's great victory yesterday shrunk Obama's lead by about 15 delegates. There are still roughly 1000 delegates up for grabs. Hillary would need to get 60% of them to win. That's possible, but I think it's doubtful, especially since it seems like the media has turned against her.

96 posted on 03/05/2008 10:47:49 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: flutters
Were there no state or congressional races in which you could have voted for the more conservative candidate? What about local issues?

Just because the presidential primary wasn't worth voting in doesn't mean you should stay home.

97 posted on 03/05/2008 10:50:50 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: DannyTN

Exactly. Blacks will be pissed at Hitlery for “stealing” the nomination and stay home.


98 posted on 03/05/2008 10:57:26 AM PST by petercooper (Sure, Americans don't want Muslims running a couple U.S. ports, but they're fine with a Muslim Prez.)
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To: untrained skeptic
Were there no state or congressional races in which you could have voted for the more conservative candidate? What about local issues? Just because the presidential primary wasn't worth voting in doesn't mean you should stay home.

I voted in New Jersey this year. Just one lever to pull. I pulled Romney's though I don't like him and I knew my anti-McCain gesture was futile.

Nothing else there on the machine. Took me about 1.4 seconds and it was still a huge waste of time.

99 posted on 03/05/2008 11:00:44 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: twigs
Not at the risk of keeping a Clinton family member in the political scene today. We need to get rid of them ASAP. They destroy everything in which they are involved. We need to cleanse the coutnry of their presence.

That's what we'll do in November. Have to admit, though, I'm going to really have to work up support for McCain...as in, faking it. Only excited because we're fighting against Mrs. William J. Clinton.

100 posted on 03/05/2008 11:10:55 AM PST by madison10
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