Posted on 03/06/2008 10:27:33 AM PST by gandalftb
I have a Norinco Sporter and know what you are talking about, I can shoot clean through an oak tree of 36” diameter with it and still pack enough punch to penetrate 3/4” plywood using full metal jacket ammo. Surplus russian ammo with soft lead load would only go just past halfway of tree trunk. AK is a good gun for guerilla type combatant but I would prefer an M14 type weapon for profesional military.
I guess what I’m most concerned with is making sure an enemy combatant can’t get off another shot or two after being hit. With a 7.62 that isn’t much of a problem. A 6.8 would be a step in the right direction, but I’m not sure why it would be better than going all the way to a 7.62.
This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine ...
In addition to everything said before (mainly, you can carry a lot more 223 rounds than 762) a study done by the Army infantry department in WW-II found that in an infantry engagement only 25% of infantry men fired their rifles. The exception was the BAR man (one per squad), who fired 90% of the time.
Psychologically, a man with an automatic rifle is more likely to believe that he can affect the outcome of an engagement. If you’re going to be firing on AUTO your ammo will last longer if it’s 223 than 762. The difference in lethality is less important than getting lead on target.
6.8SPC is designed to fit in an M-16 magazine. Just change the upper to the 6.8SPC barrel. The greater mass of the bullet is less affected by wind and delivers more terminal energy.
Does it have the same diameter only longer?
I do like the idea of more stopping power.
Very good. Thanks for the link.
I just did a search @ Bushmaster for a 7.62. They make a sniper rifle (bolt action), but not the AR-10 type.
But, as I remember, the problem was that the soldiers were using armor-piercing rounds, so the rounds would go right through the Somalis, and not fragment and do internal damage. Although higher-caliber rounds always help. But you’ll have less of them. And it’s true what they say - you can never have too much ammo!
I have shot both .223 AK & AR... both work...
my AK did not jam, my friends LMT M4 did
Thanks. I appreciate the information related to the 6.8 vs 7.62. These links have helped a lot.
My nephew is on his second tour over there and he tells me that nobody carries their weapons wet with anything. They all use dry lube.
No kidding. The M16 is a great gun, if you can take care of it...and not leave it outside of the tent in a sandstorm.
With some Blackhawk gear, you could carry more than 6 magazines of 7.62.
=)
Heckler and Koch make the 416.
People like this are one of the reasons we are still fighting in Iraq and that ammo prices are going through the roof.
If we were fighting poodles in a sterile Clean Room the M-16 would be the ticket.
Fighting Jihadis in the real world the M-16 and the .223 round are at a disadvantage - it just doesn't have the stopping power of the AK and is too susceptible to malfunction from a dirty environmenmt.
This poodle shooter and round got a lot of our guys killed in Nam and I have hated it ever since.
My Son in Law has a M-16 in .308, that’s a real mean little motor scooter. .
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