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The Limbaugh Effect on Clinton’s Texas Win
WSJ ^ | March 6, 2008 | Susan Davis

Posted on 03/07/2008 6:08:22 AM PST by fightinJAG

Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh led a campaign to have his Republican followers in Texas cross party lines and vote for Sen. Hillary Clinton in the state’s open primary last Tuesday. Why? Because Limbaugh thinks Republicans can defeat Clinton in a general election. Plus, watching Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama bloody each other in a nomination fight is pure sport for Limbaugh conservatives.

According to exit polls, Clinton won a notably higher number of Republican voters than she has in past open primary contests. Of the 9% of voters who identified themselves as Republicans in the Democratic Primary, Obama still edged Clinton 53%-46%. However, that margin is significantly slimmer than earlier contests. In Wisconsin’s open primary, for instance, Republicans broke 72%-28% for Obama. Similarly, in Virginia’s open primary, Obama was favored 72%-23%.

Clinton unquestionably secured a Texas victory, but some locals are convinced it was a false win bolstered by dirty politics. Laura Jean Kreissl, an accounting professor at West Texas A&M University, served as an election official in Canyon, Texas on Tuesday. She contacted the Wall Street Journal to report the hijinks she observed at the four precincts that voted at her polling location.

Of the 181 voters she personally dealt with, 70 offered that they were “Rush Limbaugh voters” who were there to cast ballots for Clinton. “I’m here to vote for Hillary Clinton, I want to see the Democratic Party implode,” one voter told Kreissl, she recounted in an interview. “I was just stunned,” she said. “As an election official we can’t say anything. We just jot them down and let them vote.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: hillary; openprimaries; rush; rushlimbaugh; talkradio; tx2008; txprimary
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1 posted on 03/07/2008 6:08:23 AM PST by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG

How could they tell ? Did the voters wear little flags in their lapels ?


2 posted on 03/07/2008 6:09:44 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: fightinJAG

Which is why I do not see the Democrats holding new primaries in Florida or Michigan. If they did every Republican in the state would cross over and vote, and the results would be meaningless to the party.


3 posted on 03/07/2008 6:11:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Hmm. Hadn’t thought of that. Thanks.

While I’m pondering that, I will say that this is exactly one of the reasons I think Rush’s stunt was too cute by half. I object to “teaching” people that it’s okay to view one’s vote as nothing more than a poker chip to play around with.


4 posted on 03/07/2008 6:13:27 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I am glad so many GOP’ers did this b/c it may change the 2012 primaries so that more of them are closed. We are tired of Liberals crossing over and selecting our nominee. When they do that, they view it as acceptable but when we cross over it is a perversion of democracy. Remember, you can’t teach a liberal until their own tactics backfire.


5 posted on 03/07/2008 6:15:27 AM PST by conservativeinferno (My SUV is the urban squirrel's worst predator.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Now they know how it felt to have the GOP candidate selected by Dims and Indies.

Turn about is fair play.

Republican primaries should be for those registered as such just as Dim primaries should be for those regestered as Dims. Indies should get a backbone and get off the fence. JMHO.


6 posted on 03/07/2008 6:15:43 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Disgruntled about it all. None of the above.)
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To: fightinJAG
As an election official we can’t say anything. We just jot them down and let them vote.

That is horrible. What kind of election official just sits by and lets voters vote when they disagree with them? Obviously she was not trained well.

7 posted on 03/07/2008 6:16:24 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Oh that’s just perfect!


8 posted on 03/07/2008 6:16:29 AM PST by sarasota
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To: fightinJAG
but some locals are convinced it was a false win bolstered by dirty politics.

It must be be fun to get to define the words. It is "dirty politics" when republicans vote in the democrat primary, but democracy in action when democrats vote in the republican primary. Democrats can dish it out, but they sure can't take it.

9 posted on 03/07/2008 6:18:51 AM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: fightinJAG
Rush Limbaugh, in one stupid vain egotistical act, is undoing a lot of the good he's done over the years. I am FURIOUS about his abetting Hillary's campaign.

We will look back on Rush's stunt when Hillary is being sworn in.

She is FAR BETTER positioned to beat McCain.

Her people haven't even begun to take out the knives they have reserved for the Republicans.

She is far better positioned to “move to the middle” and cut off McCain's appeal to the middle.

Barakomania was going to implode of its own weightlessness, and he was a weaker candidate for the final election.

All Rush had to do was keep his big fat mouth shut — but he wanted to get back at the dems for crossing over to elect McCain.

But we were already crossing over, although is far less coordinated fashion, to help give Barak a boost. Rush tipped that heavily toward Hillary, and now the vampire is out of the casket.

Rush has made himself an 800-lb gorilla in the room — and I think he — and we — will all regret it.

10 posted on 03/07/2008 6:19:28 AM PST by WL-law
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To: Non-Sequitur

“If they did every Republican in the state would cross over and vote, and the results would be meaningless to the party.”

I was wondering about that since I live in Michigan. I think a problem might arise because in the first primary, I requested a Republican ballot. I don’t know if I would be allowed to now vote in the democrat primary, version 2.


11 posted on 03/07/2008 6:19:49 AM PST by mouske
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To: conservativeinferno
The GOP isn't smart enough to hold a closed primary.

Just another reason the GOP is the Stupid Party.

12 posted on 03/07/2008 6:21:17 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: fightinJAG

I have a lot of doubt the Republican voters made the difference for Hillary. Of the cross over voters I know, most of them voted for Obama to try and kill off the beast ASAP.


13 posted on 03/07/2008 6:21:36 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: fightinJAG
While I’m pondering that, I will say that this is exactly one of the reasons I think Rush’s stunt was too cute by half. I object to “teaching” people that it’s okay to view one’s vote as nothing more than a poker chip to play around with.

Demonrats has been doing it for years, hence McLame as our nominee. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. (I happen to prefer my goose with an apple stuffing and a blackberry sauce.)

14 posted on 03/07/2008 6:23:12 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Non-Sequitur

“If they did every Republican in the state would cross over and vote,”

Only those who did not vote in the already held GOP primaries or risk voter fraud and jail time.


15 posted on 03/07/2008 6:30:50 AM PST by SAWTEX
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To: WL-law

Rush tipped that heavily toward Hillary, and now the vampire is out of the casket...

...agreed...nice Dracula symbolism going on...I was appalled that anyone on the R side of things would aid and abet Hilary, and now having to endure her screeching voice and the media’s fawining ‘Comeback Kid II’reviews is more than I can bear...time for new blood on righty talk radio...


16 posted on 03/07/2008 6:32:46 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: mouske
I don’t know if I would be allowed to now vote in the democrat primary, version 2.

This is the most interesting question of the whole problem to me. What of those votes that would have been cast differently if the first democrat primary was supposed to count?

Will the "do-over" be limited to those that voted democrat in the first primary. (Not likely, as that would require the voter to show ID at the polls, which democrats won't tolerate.) Do the democrats that voted in the republican primary (most likely for McCain) get to participate in the do-over? (I am sure they would have voted democrat if they thought it would count. /s) Should those votes get subtracted from McCain's total?

What restrictions would they put on the "do-over"? How can anything they do (other than follow the rules as written) be fair?

17 posted on 03/07/2008 6:37:26 AM PST by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: fightinJAG
Kreissl, an Obama supporter, said she kept rough counts, but her fellow poll worker, a Clinton supporter, both estimated that as many as two-thirds of the voters were Limbaugh Republicans turned Clinton voters. About 800 ballots were cast in total there. “I’m an accounting professor, I know numbers pretty well,” she said.

Ms. Kreissl, IMO, cannot be a proficient accounting professor. And I think I can speak to that as a CPA myself.

One of the greatest gifts God gave me was the opportunity to attend Gonzaga University. I had the same accounting professor, Dr. Dan Brajcich, for my last 3 years at GU. "Black Dan", as we lovingly called him, NEVER USED NUMBERS. No matter the course, be it Tax, Advanced Accounting, Audit, Governmental, Cost, etc., he taught the underlying theory to the course.

His exams were brutal: 5 questions, all essay, and the first sentence to most of the questions was "based on the information you've given, I can't answer it." From that point, a two- or three-pronged analysis of the topic was necessary. I remember one test (30+ years later), where I wrote 10 pages in the course of 55 minutes.

I do remember the one time he used numbers in my three years under his tutelege. A couple of students (not me!) kept pestering him, saying they needed to see the numbers in order to understand. Exasperated, Dan said "I'll do this one time, and that's it!"

"Here's the situation: you have two pigs, and one of them dies. How do you account for it?" Dr. Brajcich proceeded to spend the next 10 minutes going through the theory underlying that situation.

Ms. Kreissl may know numbers, but she could never hold a candle to the great Dr. Brajcich.

My fellow students and I absolutely loved that man.

18 posted on 03/07/2008 6:39:20 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: fightinJAG
Kreissl, an Obama supporter, said she kept rough counts, but her fellow poll worker, a Clinton supporter, both estimated that as many as two-thirds of the voters were Limbaugh Republicans turned Clinton voters. About 800 ballots were cast in total there. “I’m an accounting professor, I know numbers pretty well,” she said.

Ms. Kreissl, IMO, cannot be a proficient accounting professor. And I think I can speak to that as a CPA myself.

One of the greatest gifts God gave me was the opportunity to attend Gonzaga University. I had the same accounting professor, Dr. Dan Brajcich, for my last 3 years at GU. "Black Dan", as we lovingly called him, NEVER USED NUMBERS. No matter the course, be it Tax, Advanced Accounting, Audit, Governmental, Cost, etc., he taught the underlying theory to the course.

His exams were brutal: 5 questions, all essay, and the first sentence to most of the questions was "based on the information you've given, I can't answer it." From that point, a two- or three-pronged analysis of the topic was necessary. I remember one test (30+ years later), where I wrote 10 pages in the course of 55 minutes.

I do remember the one time he used numbers in my three years under his tutelege. A couple of students (not me!) kept pestering him, saying they needed to see the numbers in order to understand. Exasperated, Dan said "I'll do this one time, and that's it!"

"Here's the situation: you have two pigs, and one of them dies. How do you account for it?" Dr. Brajcich proceeded to spend the next 10 minutes going through the theory underlying that situation.

Ms. Kreissl may know numbers, but she could never hold a candle to the great Dr. Brajcich.

My fellow students and I absolutely loved that man.

19 posted on 03/07/2008 6:41:36 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: Night Hides Not

Sorry about the DP...I received a message that my first post was not received by the server...


20 posted on 03/07/2008 6:42:31 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: WL-law

Dittos..... To what you said.


21 posted on 03/07/2008 6:44:01 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: IrishBrigade
Rush opened the door for Hillary. If she had lost Texas she was finished, and would not have had the leverage to secure the VP slot.

A Clinton administration will be far better prepared to hit the ground running, and will have political revenge/payback among their agenda items. Obama and team would have a steep learning curve, and could be effectively countered in the Senate. This was an irresponsible and ill conceived stunt.
22 posted on 03/07/2008 6:44:33 AM PST by info_scout
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To: IrishBrigade
...agreed...nice Dracula symbolism going on...I was appalled that anyone on the R side of things would aid and abet Hilary, and now having to endure her screeching voice and the media’s fawining ‘Comeback Kid II’reviews is more than I can bear...time for new blood on righty talk radio...

I am heartened by the fact that a large number of Freepers have spoken out against this "strategery". From here on, I will remember 3/4/08 as "The Day (Misguided) Genius Thwarted Common Sense and Principle".

An alternative title could also be "The Day Rush Jumped The Shark."

23 posted on 03/07/2008 6:45:46 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: conservativeinferno

“...Remember, you can’t teach a liberal until their own tactics backfire.”

and then they still don’t learn, or retain what they may have for an instance at least positively acknowledged.

Caught up in a whirlwind of illusion their heads constantly spinning.


24 posted on 03/07/2008 6:46:28 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: conservativeinferno
Both parties did the open primary thing in Oregon, maybe 10-12 years ago. GOP did it for one election cycle, the Dims subsequently did the same. Neither state organization liked it after trying it and we are back to closed primaries, as it probably should be. There is still a sort of “movement” to go to open primaries but it has gained no traction.
25 posted on 03/07/2008 6:47:55 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: WL-law

You are 100% wrong...Almost EVERY poll shows that Hillary Clinton has the highest negatives of almost anyone in the WORLD...these polls suggest that she is IN FACT the
more defeatable. 50% say they CAN’T wait to VOTE AGAINST her.

Now, having said that, I think it a mistake for Rush to call for GOPers to vote for her. GOPers will be BLAMED (as the media is doing in this article) for the defeat of a BLACK canidate (if Obama does not get the nomination).

We had a chance here that should Hillary by hook and crook get the nomination, many blacks would vote for McCain to pay Hillary back...NOW, unfortunately, they will not vote for McCain because the MEDIA is telling them that the only reason Hillary won Texas was due to republican voters...and the will spin the “republicans are racists” crap. Rush handed this spin to them.


26 posted on 03/07/2008 6:48:45 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: fightinJAG

Wait a minute?? I thought Limbaugh had lost his touch and his control of the GOP when he couldn’t get his candidate elected.


27 posted on 03/07/2008 6:49:11 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Any Monday you can walk away from is a good one.)
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To: fightinJAG

The fact is that Obama won Texas. He picked up five more delegates than Hillary. It is hard to find that in the MSM.


28 posted on 03/07/2008 6:49:21 AM PST by kabar
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To: fightinJAG
Rush Limbaugh is also convinced. “Don’t Doubt the Limbaugh Effect,” he boasts on his web site.

IMO...this is what Limbaugh wanted all along: to claim he is responsible for Hillary winning! He gets to pat himself on the back, he gets more ratings, free publicity, and more sheep (listeners) to be lead around by the nose!
29 posted on 03/07/2008 6:49:29 AM PST by TexanByBirth (Now that the Texas primary is over, would all yall from out-of-state please go away!)
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To: fightinJAG
I object to “teaching” people that it’s okay to view one’s vote as nothing more than a poker chip to play around with.

Politics is a game of chaos. Nothing more.

And your vote IS just a poker chip, whether you feel morally indignant about the fact or not.

30 posted on 03/07/2008 6:50:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: conservativeinferno

“Remember, you can’t teach a liberal until their own tactics backfire.”

exactly.
At first I thought it was a silly thing and didn’t think many republicans would actually follow through.

When I heard Limbaugh say on the air the following day that he hoped the dems were just as happy with the candidate we chose for them, as we were with the candidate they chose for us (not just w/ crossover voting - but with MSM support as well) - I decided it wasn’t so silly afterall.


31 posted on 03/07/2008 6:50:08 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Cracker Jack

You make some very good points. We had to show ID to vote in the first primary. I had not considered the dems who voted for McCain - very interesting. The national dem party’s decision to punish Michigan and Florida seems to be having the opposite effect. It appears to now be punishing the dem party.


32 posted on 03/07/2008 6:52:18 AM PST by mouske
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To: fightinJAG
If the Republicans voted for Obama with the same huge margin they did before he would have won Texas in the popular vote, although despite his popular vote loss there he is going to win 9-10 delegates more than Hillary Clinton in Texas.
33 posted on 03/07/2008 6:52:19 AM PST by jveritas (Rush Limbaugh for President (extreme sarcasm))
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To: Non-Sequitur

You have to change your affiliation something like 6 weeks before an election, I am not sure of the exact time frame. And I am thinking about switching.
In Michigan, that would be very interesting since you can cross over the same day there.


34 posted on 03/07/2008 6:54:44 AM PST by libbylu (I voted for Nixon,Ford,Reagan,Bush,Dole,Bush. NO WAY MCCAIN.)
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To: Double Tap
>>I have a lot of doubt the Republican voters made the difference for Hillary.<<

Certainly for Texas I agree. We knew going in that Dem Hispanics were predominately aligned with Clinton so her winning Texas should only be a surprise to those who have not yet had to learn Spanish to conduct business in their home State.

35 posted on 03/07/2008 6:54:53 AM PST by Muleteam1
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To: fightinJAG

I voted in the Texas democrat primary to re-pay the cross over democRAT voters in NH, who voted for McNasty. I have been a republican since 1972. Go Hillary Go. Let them eat cake! I did not know Rush wanted a party switch in TX? I am a FM listener. This is going to be a fun primary, and a hoot of a convention in Denver. Shades of Chicago.


36 posted on 03/07/2008 6:55:36 AM PST by jonathan-swift2000 (The Good news from Iraq the MSM won't publish.)
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To: WL-law

I agree with you 100% and cannot describe how ANGRY I am at Rush and his acolytes (Sean, Laura, Bob Grant etc.) for promoting this so-called “strategy” for days prior to the Texas and Ohio primaries. It is a terrible thing to say but I was happy Rush was sick the actual day of the primaries so that he lost a day of continuing with that drumbeat.

I don’t know if you have noticed but Rush returned on Wednesday to considerable heat from listeners and the announced he was taking the next couple of days (Thursday and Friday) off. If you ask me he was running for the hills as now Hillary’s campaign has been revived and she is at least one step closer to being CIC.

Thanks Rush, for allowing these grifters another shot at the White House.


37 posted on 03/07/2008 6:56:31 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: Cracker Jack
Also, it is a dirty politics when Republicans vote for Clinton (and even dirtier when they vote for Republican!), but when they voted for Obama it was “a bipartisanship” and “the national unity” transcend blah-blah-blah...
38 posted on 03/07/2008 6:56:43 AM PST by alecqss
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To: Night Hides Not

Rush jumped the shark the day that he, like millions of other “grown” men, decided that it was a felony to be photographed without a cigar, the day, in short, when he said to himself (only after millions of other non-thinking lemmings had started a trend)”Hey! If I go around with a big cigar I will look powerful, mature, and sophisticated.” On that day, he became just another 15 year old kid looking to define himself.


39 posted on 03/07/2008 6:58:26 AM PST by ProfessorGage
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To: conservativeinferno

It’s impossible to make a lib play “fair” until you slap them with their own tactics.

It will be DE-licious to see Hillary steal the nomination via the dhimmirats’ own version of the electoral college.


40 posted on 03/07/2008 6:58:29 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: JohnG45

—Thanks Rush, for allowing these grifters another shot at the White House.—

Yup. Rush must realize there is no way McCain is going to be elected POTUS (unless Obama and Shrillary are both hit by a bus while walking to the convention center). Obama is cerainly a lesser evil than Shrillary (who will be taking her slimy hubby back into the White House).


41 posted on 03/07/2008 6:59:51 AM PST by paleorite
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To: WL-law

You NEVER assist evil. No good can ever come of it.

All respect has been lost for Rush.

He is a FOOL.


42 posted on 03/07/2008 7:02:04 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: WL-law
I hold El Rushbo personally responsible for President Hillary Clinton. His ego has overtaken any common sense he ever had. I still think his motives suspect. I believe he's far more intent on destroying the Republican party than bloodying up the democrats.
43 posted on 03/07/2008 7:05:50 AM PST by mimaw
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To: IrishBrigade

My feelings as well. Now they are energized by their win and there will be hell to pay. I don’t trust Rush on this as the beast has been inspired and refueled when she should have been knocked out.


44 posted on 03/07/2008 7:08:34 AM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: Scotswife

Yes, now Democrat supporters can actually get out their calculators and figure out

(average health care cost for 1 year) X (every American) = $$^2

before they vote in the general election for McDole, whose market reforms make more sense.


45 posted on 03/07/2008 7:08:50 AM PST by Son House (The Democrat's High Tax Rates Suppress American Freedom, Opportunity and Jobs..)
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To: ProfessorGage
LOL! Here's another day Rush jumped the shark: when "the lovely and gracious" Marta introduced her scarf ensemble in conjunction with the line of Rush ties.

Rush is entertaining, no doubt. Most of us have grown up, though. His self-promoting status as a moral beacon has worn thin, IMO, especially after his third divorce.

46 posted on 03/07/2008 7:11:31 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: Night Hides Not
The GOP isn't smart enough to hold a closed primary

It is not up to the GOP.

Here in Texas, there is no such thing as a registered Democrat, or Republican.....just registered voters.

We would resent any PAC demanding that we change how we conduct our business.

47 posted on 03/07/2008 7:13:12 AM PST by laotzu
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To: paleorite
How can you be that clueless to how radical leftthis Obama is?He is a far more dangerous in the WH.
He is bought and paid for by Soros and Moveon.org !
He wants to dismantle the military and dispose of our nuclear weapons while China is putting killer satellites in space ! He wants to redistribute wealth .
Have you heard the hate speech coming out of his wife mouth and you think that is not him talking too .
He would shut down talk radio and this website as soon as possible .
48 posted on 03/07/2008 7:14:58 AM PST by ncalburt
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To: fightinJAG
Don't hate the sinner hate the sin. The Libs have been doing it for as long as I can remember. About time we gave them some back. Politics is a dirty business no matter who is playing.
49 posted on 03/07/2008 7:15:06 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Night Hides Not

The libs believe that because we sometimes fail to live up to moral standards, that makes those standards invalid in general.


50 posted on 03/07/2008 7:17:47 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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