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Senate Blocks Moratorium on Earmarks
AP via SFGate ^ | 3/13/8 | ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 03/13/2008 8:56:25 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Remember what happened to the Roman Senate.


21 posted on 03/13/2008 9:34:44 PM PDT by pankot
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To: SmithL

Let the graft begin... FREE money for all.. WOO HAH...


22 posted on 03/13/2008 9:35:29 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Yes. Somewhere in the declension — I’ve lost what Latin I ever knew — senex becomes senilis.
23 posted on 03/13/2008 9:35:56 PM PDT by dighton
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To: pankot

Refresh my memory.


24 posted on 03/13/2008 9:38:56 PM PDT by doc1019 (God is in control ... not Global Warming.)
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To: SmithL
and a right under the power of the purse awarded to Congress by the Founding Fathers.

Someone point that "right" out in the US Constitution for me please.

25 posted on 03/13/2008 9:39:14 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: SmithL

It is a shame that Hillary and Obama are more conservative than many republicans


26 posted on 03/13/2008 9:39:39 PM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: Young Scholar

That clip you quoted is a darned lie. The plan did NOT cut any social spending, only reduced the growth in the budget for those areas. Those handout programs would continue to grow... just not as fast.


27 posted on 03/13/2008 9:40:55 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: SmithL

Good news. Bolsters McCain’s stance. Hillary And Ears will have problems because they were earmark hogs, McCain won’t because he didn’t use them.


28 posted on 03/13/2008 9:41:53 PM PDT by Octar
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To: SmithL
The House passed a $3 trillion federal budget plan that would provide generous increases to domestic programs but bring the government's ledger back into the black by letting all of Bush's tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 as scheduled.

Of course this is a stupid thing to do. But wouldn't that already be the default projection for the budget, since the law has them expiring?

In other words, they aren't bringing the budget "back into" anything, right now the budget projection should show a healthy surplus after the tax cuts expire, and they are spending that surplus.

29 posted on 03/13/2008 9:46:25 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: doc1019

“Earmarks” == “Pork barrel spending”


30 posted on 03/13/2008 9:47:14 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

it’s not even about the amount of $ but about the power. Pork is the glue to stick together support for even bigger spending bills.
Incumbents with no ideas keep their power just by bringing the pork. Elections need to be won with ideas and not by patronage perks.


31 posted on 03/13/2008 10:01:10 PM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: SmithL

can Someone post a list of the 25 “Republican Senators” that LOVE earmarks?


32 posted on 03/13/2008 10:13:39 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: SmithL

can Someone post a list of the 25 “Republican Senators” that LOVE earmarks?


33 posted on 03/13/2008 10:13:40 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: TheBattman

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
-—<>-—<>-—<>-—<>-—<>-—

Like it or not, here it is... Courts have supported the Hamiltonian view that “general Welfare” is very broad in scope, and that earmarks are fine and dandy as long as they promote “general Welfare of the United States”. Madison argued for a much more narrow interpretation, but the courts have not supported his argument.


34 posted on 03/13/2008 10:19:11 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

“and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;”

and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States as a sovereign government;

is probably how it should have read.

I’m suffering from illness and fatigue, in other words, I’m sick and tired of it for having to give my tax dollars to lowlife freeloaders but I suppose that I’m preaching to the choir here.


35 posted on 03/13/2008 10:42:44 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron
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To: utherdoul

and the other half in tax breaks, we’d skyrocket!


36 posted on 03/13/2008 10:45:29 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: SmithL
U. S. Senate
37 posted on 03/13/2008 10:54:13 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: SmithL

McCain is against pork spending. That is one thing that I like about him. The rest of them need to be tied up and thrown on the railroad tracks.


38 posted on 03/13/2008 10:58:07 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: SmithL; All
The referenced article is another AP article reflecting the media's ignorance of the Constitution and its history.

This post (<-click), while addressing a tax related thread, explains why the 71 Senators that rejected the curb on pork-barrel spending are scandalously ignoring their oaths to defend the Constitution.

How can the free press protect us from a federal government that is operating outside the restraints of the federal Constitution, particularly where constitutionally unauthorized federal spending is concerned, if the press is as ignorant of the Constitution and its history as the people are?

http://tinyurl.com/npt6t
http://tinyurl.com/hehr8
The people need to petition big-shot federal spenders who are unthinkingly following in the footsteps of FDR's dirty federal spending politics, demanding that they resign from their jobs.
39 posted on 03/14/2008 12:07:32 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: AFPhys

I have known about that Section. But as you pointed out, Madison’s point of view (and that of others of that time as well) don’t point towards the Hamilton interpretation.

Of course, the real root of this issue is the METHOD of getting earmarks for their home districts... They don’t bring them up as separate bills, they are covertly attached to completely unrelated bills so that they can slide through on the coattails of real legislation. At minimum, this is dishonest and immoral. At best, it is distortion of Section 8.


40 posted on 03/14/2008 4:49:40 AM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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