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Obama's Grandmother Changes Islam Story
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Posted on 03/15/2008 4:00:54 PM PDT by stickman20089

Yesterday’s edition of USA Today had a story about Barack Obama’s grandmother in Kenya, in which she slams the Clinton campaign for circulating photos of Obama in Muslim garb—and then states that she is a Christian: Obama’s grandma slams ‘untruths’.

Obama’s grandfather had converted to Islam from Roman Catholicism and taken the name Hussein, Sarah Obama said, but his children had inherited only the name, not the religion. Each person should be able to choose how they worshipped, she said.

“In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents,” she said. She, too, is a Christian.

Just one little problem with this statement.

In April of last year, Sarah Hussein Obama told the New York Times she is a devout Muslim.

Sarah Hussein Obama, who is his stepgrandmother but whom Mr. Obama calls his grandmother, still rises at 5 a.m. to pray before tending to her crops and the three orphans she has taken in.

“I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.


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KEYWORDS: hussein; husseinobama; kenya; muslim; nobama; obama; obamafamily; somalielder
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To: Grampa Dave

Your compilations are fabulous...


51 posted on 03/15/2008 4:58:18 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: KingJaja
As someone who understand’s Sub-Saharan Africa, I implore all of you to stop this silly talk.

I find it very hard to believe that Catholics and Muslims can live in the same family - and not have someone ending up stoned for the sake of the family "honor".

52 posted on 03/15/2008 5:03:35 PM PDT by LiberConservative
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To: hsalaw

Ha! See my 49, which I put up before I read yours....


53 posted on 03/15/2008 5:04:27 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Bernard
If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.

Very true. But you may need to be careful to whom you speak. Some will change what you say to fit their agenda.

54 posted on 03/15/2008 5:05:10 PM PDT by auboy
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To: montag813

You’re right. Here’s the Osamabama family tree...

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm


55 posted on 03/15/2008 5:06:29 PM PDT by panaxanax (Writing in Duncan Hunter 2008!)
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To: stickman20089
“I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.

Obama is about to say, "if I only heard that when sitting in the pews, but I didn't..."

56 posted on 03/15/2008 5:07:53 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: ErnBatavia

Great minds, and all that!


57 posted on 03/15/2008 5:09:58 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Chief_Joe

Why do you keep doing that, do you support the hildabeast in this face-off?


58 posted on 03/15/2008 5:41:31 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: nuconvert

Do not be too judgemental

:-P

Hope you are doing well.


59 posted on 03/15/2008 5:43:52 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CS)
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To: stickman20089

Obviously the purpose of this story is to fend off any real investigation of the facts about Obama’s family. They are Muslims, and they are Arabs. In earlier generations they were actually Arab slave traders.

Obama himself is only 1/16 black, which means that he is not legally qualified to call himself an African American. He is an Arab American.

http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html


60 posted on 03/15/2008 5:51:27 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: KingJaja
Obama’s grandmother’s name is Sarah, so I doubt she is a muslim.

Even though she's been quoted as saying that she is?

“I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.

61 posted on 03/15/2008 5:55:09 PM PDT by Bob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

....;*D


62 posted on 03/15/2008 5:58:46 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: processing please hold
Measuring the new found fondness of Hillary and McClain.

Freq. Dist.

Questions for Hillary: x

Questions for Obama: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Questions for McClain: x

Looks like some are starting to slip by without anymore scrutiny doesn't it?
63 posted on 03/15/2008 6:01:20 PM PDT by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!!!)
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To: nuconvert

“the Obamas need to try to keep their stories straight.”

But that would mean that they’d speak the truth and that would be asking too much. Besides, lying to infidels is allowed.


64 posted on 03/15/2008 6:07:15 PM PDT by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: Chief_Joe
The way I see it is, destroy obamassiah now then work on that marxist b......

It'll be harder if he's their choice. Look at the dims eating their own when it comes to one of them saying something bad about him. Imagine if a republican wanted to put forth an issue. May as well just give him the presidency. Now, with the beast, she is going to be destroyed, most of the dems can't stand her.

65 posted on 03/15/2008 6:23:12 PM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Eurotwit

Hi Euro - good to see you around

Hope you’re doing well too


66 posted on 03/15/2008 6:42:50 PM PDT by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: milford421; DAVEY CROCKETT

Ping.


67 posted on 03/15/2008 7:28:11 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
Kenya has been subject to considerable missionary effort by both Christians and Moslems over the last century. Could be the woman adheres to both faiths ~ it's not like it's an Islamic state where they chop your head off for it.

I wouldn't be surprised to find Grandma making sacrifices to natural spirits found in trees and rocks either.

68 posted on 03/15/2008 8:08:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bob
Let's see, Sarah, that means "princess" in Hebrew. Betcha' there's an Arabic version, and probably a Persian version, and an English version, and maybe a Sarhilda here and there!

So, yes, Osama's Grandmother could very well be Czech ~ and they have their own version too.

Other popular girls names begin with an "R" as in Rupa and Rema ~ both meaning something like "gold money".

Chinese must have something like this too.

69 posted on 03/15/2008 8:15:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: stickman20089

Just got done watching “The Kingdom”. That movie tells me everything I want to know about Islam. Outstanding production IMO.


70 posted on 03/15/2008 8:17:59 PM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: Grampa Dave

BTTT!


71 posted on 03/15/2008 8:36:12 PM PDT by The Mayor (The purpose of prayer is not to get what we want, but to become what God wants.)
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To: LiberConservative

Christians and Muslim do live in the same family. It is VERY common in some parts of Africa. For example, amongst the Yoruba of Nigeria (Hakeem Olajuwon’s people). In Rwanda, you have Christians (Catholic) and muslims in the same family.


72 posted on 03/16/2008 3:48:48 AM PDT by KingJaja
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To: muawiyah

How many Muslim women do you know who go by the name Sarah? I have come in contact with several African Muslim women, they have names like Jummai, Amina, Azeezat, Hauwa (Eve), Binta and Yasmin.


73 posted on 03/16/2008 3:53:03 AM PDT by KingJaja
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To: Bob

It depends on how the question was intepreted. She could easily have thought she was asked whether her family had members who believed in the Islamic faith. Until we see the transcipt in Luo, and have an unbiased person intepreting it for us, we are merely speculating.

Why don’t we concentrate on Jeremiah Wright?


74 posted on 03/16/2008 4:00:00 AM PDT by KingJaja
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To: Chief_Joe
Do you think it’s at least a little absurd that people on this site are actually advocating for McClain and Hillary now?

No. I think it's absurd that hatred of McCain blinds people to the fact that as bad as McCain is, he's a far cry better than either Hillary or Obama.

As for Hillary, it's strategery. She'll be far easier to beat in the general than Obama.

75 posted on 03/16/2008 4:01:32 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Nashvegas
Looks like Obama’s Chickens are coming home to roost

And Hillary is driving the delivery truck.

76 posted on 03/16/2008 4:09:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Vaclav Klaus on global warming skeptics: "a whip of political correctness strangles their voice")
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To: alnick
No. I think it's absurd that hatred of McCain blinds people to the fact that as bad as McCain is, he's a far cry better than either Hillary or Obama.

As for Hillary, it's strategery. She'll be far easier to beat in the general than Obama.

Wrong, Hillary will beat McClain -easily.

77 posted on 03/16/2008 6:41:22 AM PDT by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!!!)
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To: ErnBatavia

Thanks.

It is easy with the talent of the Freepers and some other sites.

It is even easier when the target of the humor is a lying snake like Hussein ObamaSamma.


78 posted on 03/16/2008 10:20:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein ObamaSamma's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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To: KingJaja
It's a pretty common Semitic name ~ you can find cognate words/names in Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic.

So, did I ever meet an Arab woman named Sarah ~ well, yes, several decades ago, and at least one right here in this neighborhood. We don't have many Arabs though; mostly Afghan people, and I can only think of a couple. Some of them also have names of Hindu demigods.

79 posted on 03/16/2008 4:34:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: KingJaja
Actually, Sara comes up on Islamic baby name sites. And sub-Saharan Africa is not very Muslim at all when compared to the dominance of Islam in north Africa.

I've never been to sub-Saharan Africa (I'm assuming you have based on your anecdotal info), but it stands to reason that most Christians there haven't converted from Islam, but rather from tribal/animist beliefs, since most people there weren't Muslims to begin with.

But for those who might have been - usually in places where Islam isn't dominant, such as sub-Saharan Africa, it IS more acceptable (at least on the surface) for Muslims to convert to Christianity. It's when Islam threatens to control on a larger political scale that the oppression and persecution of Christians and other non-Muslims begins, as historically and contemporaneously indicated in many African countries that have either succumbed to Islam or are struggling currently.

Regardless, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion in Africa.

80 posted on 03/18/2008 5:55:47 AM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace

That is not true, Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Sub-Saharan Africa.

At the turn of last century Islam was the dominant religion in Africa. In 1900, there were 9 million christians in Africa, in 2000 there were 380 million christians (the number is growing).

The Western MSM (under Saudi influence) does not like to acknowledge that fact, but Christianity is growing faster than Islam.

People who claim that Islam is growing faster point to higher birth rates as the cause. But the birth rates of Christians in Africa is similar to the birth rates of Muslims in Africa. In addition it is estimated that 6 million African muslims convert to Christianity each year.

(You can read the Next Christendom by Philip Jenkins to understand more).


81 posted on 03/18/2008 4:34:46 PM PDT by KingJaja
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To: agrace

Just to add, I was BORN, educated and worked in Sub-Saharan Africa.(West Africa).

I KNOW the figures for the Muslim population of Nigeria are widely inflated. (There are political reasons for this). This may jolly well apply to several other nations in West Africa.


82 posted on 03/18/2008 4:41:03 PM PDT by KingJaja
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To: KingJaja

If you were born there then you certainly add a much needed perspective, thank you. That said, Christianity might be the fastest growing religion in sub-Saharan Africa, but considering the dominance of Islam to the north, I have a hard time believing that Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Africa as a whole. I certainly hope you’re right though.


83 posted on 03/18/2008 5:19:24 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace

The population of Sub-Saharan Africa is larger than the population of North Africa. The fertility rate of North Africa (high as it is) is less than the fertility rate of Sub-Saharan Africa.

The two most populous nations in North Africa are Egypt (80 million) and Algeria (33 million).

In Sub-Saharan Africa, Nigeria has a population of (140 million) - greater than Egypt + Algeria, South Africa (47 million), Congo-Kinsasha (58 million), Ethiopia (70 million), Kenya (37 million).

Out of these nations, only Nigeria and Ethiopia have significant Muslim populations. The rest are predominantly Christian.

I did not pull these figures from my head. They are freely available. I don’t understand where the fiction that Islam is the fastest growing (or largest) religious grouping in Africa comes from.


84 posted on 03/18/2008 6:15:08 PM PDT by KingJaja
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To: KingJaja
I donÂ’t understand where the fiction that Islam is the fastest growing (or largest) religious grouping in Africa comes from.

Probably because internet sources tout it quite a bit. Here are some tables from wikipedia (I know, don't even say it, just using it as an example) that demonstrates Christianity as a whole is a minority religion -

Christianity in Africa
Region  ↓ Total Population  ↓ Christians  ↓  % Christian  ↓  % of total Christians  ↓
Central Africa 83,121,055 53,127,098 63.9% 3.008%
East Africa 195,041,900 116,911,194 59.94% 6.620%
North Africa 203,536,578 10,271,958 5.04% 0.581%
Southern Africa 138,028,304 81,609,757 59.12% 4.621%
West Africa 269,922,224 93,283,710 34.56% 5.282%
Total 889,650,061 355,203,717 39.92% 20.11%

Islam in Africa
Region Total Population Muslims  % Muslim  % of Muslim total
Central Africa 83,121,055 12.6 million 15.1% 3.1%
East Africa 193,741,900 66.4 million 34.3% 16.5%
North Africa 202,151,323 180 million 89.1% 44.8%
Southern Africa 137,092,019 8.9 million 6.5% 2.2%
West Africa 268,997,245 134.0 million 49.8% 33.3%
Total 885,103,542 402.0 million 44.86%

85 posted on 03/18/2008 7:05:37 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace

Yeah, but it’s 100% Voodoo.


86 posted on 03/18/2008 7:06:48 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: agrace
Those Wikipedia figures are suspect. According to the same Wikipedia article you liftes your statistics from: According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, Christianity is currently one of the Africa's most widespread religions, with a following of some 51.5% of the population. So please check with the Encyclopædia Britannica. I suspect that even Encyclopædia Britannica's figures are conservative. You have to live in Africa to really grasp the rate of growth of Christianity.
87 posted on 03/18/2008 7:34:36 PM PDT by KingJaja
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To: KingJaja
The Muslim population of Sub-Saharan Africa is concentrated in the North (semi-arid region), while the Christian population is concentrated in the South (fertile region). I am yet to come across any demographic study that supports the notion that semi-arid regions are more densely populated than fertile regions.

Most people in the West do not understand the politics behind the figures. (There are things the British and French never tell you about Colonialism). The British and French prefered dealing with Islamic rulers. They found it more convenient to rule indirectly through Islamic Emirs than through traditional chiefs. The British, for example legitimised Shari'a in Northern Nigeria and discouraged the activities of Christian missionaries.

After independence, the political structure was skewed in order to favour the Islamic population. Nigeria has had several censuses, all have been controversial. The figures from the Muslim North have been questioned as being too high and fradulent. These same figures are paraded and parroted by reputable organisations like the CIA, BBC and UN. Any Nigerian over the age of sixteen understands that these figures are nonsense.

The last census took place in 2006. It was remarkable because the leaders from the Muslim North were adamant that religion should not counted as part of the questionnaire.

This what BBC had to say:

The BBC's Alex Last in Lagos says the results will be scrutinised to see whether the majority of people live in the predominantly Muslim north or the Christian and animist south.

Although the controversial questions about ethnicity and religion have been removed.

Question: If the Muslims were so sure about their supposed numerical superiority, why were they opposed to putting religion on the census questionnaire?

Now, 1 out of 4 Sub-Saharan Africans is a Nigerian.

88 posted on 03/18/2008 8:25:52 PM PDT by KingJaja
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To: KingJaja
Question: If the Muslims were so sure about their supposed numerical superiority, why were they opposed to putting religion on the census questionnaire?

Maybe because Islam is insecure about EVERYTHING. :) I'm kidding, but it's true.

Like I said, I really hope you're right. That's interesting stuff about colonialist practices - it makes a strange sort of sense. Of course they'd rather deal with Islamic leaders than a widely diverse range of tribal traditions. Stands to reason it would be much easier. And it also makes sense that they'd discourage Christian missions because Christianity breeds democracy while Islam breeds the opposite. Again, much easier to control the natives.

Unfortunately things are coming home to roost these days - Europe's in trouble with its huge Muslim demographic.

Thanks for the discussion and the perspective. Despite my reluctance to believe you (ha), it's pretty heartening to hear that Christianity could be growing that much in such a place. Now they need to work on all those Marxist tendencies and Africa might stand a chance. :)

89 posted on 03/19/2008 6:16:06 AM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace

Can’t you see the contrast between the Muslims in Europe who are ever so eager to have censuses and love to tout their numbers and numerical superiority. If Muslims are reluctant to have censuses then there is a problem.

The last census in Nigeria in which religion was on the questionnaire was the 1963 census. The figures that CIA, Wikipedia and BBC quote are projections based on the 1963 census. They don’t take into account the fact that Christianity has grown rapidly since independence. The same probably applies to most Sub-Saharan nations.

Those of us who have lived in Nigeria (I took part in the 1991 census) know that the figures are rubbish.

Lastly, there are no Marxists in Africa, Africa has never had Marxists. Mugabe is not a marxist. What Africa has always had is tribalists. Mugabe is essentially a tribalist. Mugabe’s opponent belongs to a different tribe from Mugabe. Mugabe’s support does not stem from his Marxist ideology or his economic competence but from people from his tribe. If Mugabe goes, his opponent will build his support from another tribe (he can spout all the pro-American BS, to keep you guys happy). There is no guarantee that he will be better than Mugabe.

That, is the tragedy of Africa.


90 posted on 03/19/2008 5:50:27 PM PDT by KingJaja
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