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More Manson Family victim's bodies found
Fox news | 16 Mar 08 | nully

Posted on 03/16/2008 8:17:14 AM PDT by null and void

Breaking on Fox, no link yet.

This means there are new murders to tie to Charles Manson.

Maybe, just maybe, he can get the death penalty for one or more of these.

Assuming the liberal gods in black robes don't block it again to save him.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: charlesmanson; helterskelter; manson; mansonfamily; serialkiller
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Barker Ranch

1 posted on 03/16/2008 8:17:15 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void

Were these “practice”?


2 posted on 03/16/2008 8:18:25 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: null and void

That should be interesting. I remember several years ago a friend of mine claimed her father had been murdered by Manson down at that ranch. I didn’t take it seriously. I might owe her an apology or at least some sympathy.


3 posted on 03/16/2008 8:18:31 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: null and void

Take two:

Teaser said they has found bodies, segment said they were looking for bodies.


4 posted on 03/16/2008 8:18:33 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

really! maybe justice will be served now!


5 posted on 03/16/2008 8:18:37 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (High Maintenance Estrogen Bot........... look out :0))
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To: tiredoflaundry

nope the murders occured when the country did not have a death penalty.


6 posted on 03/16/2008 8:19:45 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: null and void

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1986312/posts

That was quick.


7 posted on 03/16/2008 8:20:07 AM PDT by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: caseinpoint

Maybe. Even if you don’t a little kindness would go a long way.


8 posted on 03/16/2008 8:20:28 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: Walkingfeather

damn..........


9 posted on 03/16/2008 8:20:47 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (High Maintenance Estrogen Bot........... look out :0))
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To: null and void

Here is the full story from our local newspaper (near Death Valley):

http://www.inyoregister.com/content/view/84991/27/


10 posted on 03/16/2008 8:21:43 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: null and void

Unless there was a constitutionally valid death penalty law in effect when the murders took place, there will be no death penalty now if he is convicted as such punishment would be ex post facto.


11 posted on 03/16/2008 8:22:21 AM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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To: Walkingfeather
"nope the murders occured when the country did not have a death penalty"

Wrong!

12 posted on 03/16/2008 8:22:43 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: null and void

Bump for reference...


13 posted on 03/16/2008 8:25:13 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: uscabjd
"Unless there was a constitutionally valid death penalty law in effect when the murders took place, there will be no death penalty now if he is convicted as such punishment would be ex post facto."

The death penalty may not have been in effect when Manson was on trial, but it likely was still in effect at the time he committed his crimes.

Not that it matters since virtually no one on death row is ever actually executed in California.

14 posted on 03/16/2008 8:26:58 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: null and void

Bad news about that parole hearing, Charles....


15 posted on 03/16/2008 8:29:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The women got the vote and the Nation got Harding.)
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To: Walkingfeather

If I recall, he was Sentenced to death and was serving his time on death row but California abolished the Death penalty in ‘73 and his sentence was converted to life.


16 posted on 03/16/2008 8:30:23 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: null and void

This could be the media circus of all media circus’s if it is true they are able to find bodies and charge Manson with the murders.


17 posted on 03/16/2008 8:31:41 AM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: CrappieLuck

Ding Ding you win


18 posted on 03/16/2008 8:32:08 AM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: Hoof Hearted

Hmmm.

Manson is over 60 years old. The trial will last 2-5 years. The appeals will go another 5-10 years. Even if convicted, he will not be put to death until he is over 80 years old.

Chances are he will die of old age.


19 posted on 03/16/2008 8:32:13 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Michael Reagan: My Dad Would Back McCain http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970504/posts)
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To: null and void
Death penalty, is unfortunately, almost certainly excluded as ex post facto. The Supreme Court, in its superior wisdom < /sarcasm> struck down all existing death penalty statutes then in effect, meaning the worst penalty for any crime was life.

The Constitution explicitly and correctly forbids making something illegal after the fact or increasing the penalties for a crime after it's committed.

20 posted on 03/16/2008 8:33:51 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The women got the vote and the Nation got Harding.)
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To: uscabjd
Unless there was a constitutionally valid death penalty law in effect when the murders took place

Hmmmm. It was overturned by, IIRC, the Ninth District Court of Appeals. His death sentence (and those of many others) was commuted to Life.

The 9th district's decision, like so many of its other bad decisions, was overturned by a higher court. The state was unable (or unwilling?) to reinstate the original penalties.

I'm uncertain how this plays out with newly discovered murders.

No man's Life Liberty or Property are same as long as court is in session.

21 posted on 03/16/2008 8:33:51 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: Mr. Brightside

That’ll teach him!


22 posted on 03/16/2008 8:34:20 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: Walkingfeather

There was a death penalty at the time; Manson and at least one or two of his followers were sentenced to death- it was a year or so later that the death penalty was repealed and their sentences became life sentences. It would be ironic if Manson were to be tried for another murder now and end up executed. It’s not likely since evidence will be tough after all these years and prosecutor may not be inclined to open a new can of worms with the defendent already locked up for life.


23 posted on 03/16/2008 8:34:26 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Walkingfeather

Manson got the death penalty, the Supreme Court of California reduced it to life when the state temporarily eliminated the death penalty. So the murders did occur when the state had the death penalty.


24 posted on 03/16/2008 8:34:57 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Hoof Hearted

I could be wrong, but as I recall, there was a death penalty in effect when the murders took place and he was sentenced to the death penalty at his trial. That death penalty law, however, was thrown out some years later and Manson got a straight life sentence. The current CA D/P law was passed well after all this, and cannot be applied to him for these old crimes.


25 posted on 03/16/2008 8:35:50 AM PDT by uscabjd ( a)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Chances are he will die of old age.

I think that happens in roughly half of the cases languishing on death row.

26 posted on 03/16/2008 8:38:42 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Wonder if either of these “Family” members had anything to do with other murders?

Tex Watson-Since 1993 he has been at the Mule Creek State Prison, and is the father to four children. He remains married and continues to fight for his parole. To date, he has been denied parole 13 times.

Leslie Van Houten-She has applied unsuccessfully for parole on 18 occasions and remains housed in the California Institution for Women in Corona, California along with Krenwinkel and Atkins.


27 posted on 03/16/2008 8:39:38 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: CrappieLuck

You are correct.


28 posted on 03/16/2008 8:39:51 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The Constitution explicitly and correctly forbids making something illegal after the fact or increasing the penalties for a crime after it's committed.

Tell that to all the guys who slammed a door in their wife's face years ago, pleaded no contest to minor domestic violence misdemeanors, and then found their right to own a gun cancelled ex post facto a decade or two later.

I wonder if Heller will help rectify this?

-ccm

29 posted on 03/16/2008 8:40:24 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: null and void

N&V, you have to remember—it’s CALIFORNIA. Death penalties are seldom enforced.


30 posted on 03/16/2008 8:40:59 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Right, he would probably die of old age. And lets not forget what kind of circus his other trial was. I think he would like nothing more than to have the cameras on him again.


31 posted on 03/16/2008 8:41:54 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Walkingfeather
nope the murders occured when the country did not have a death penalty.

Huh? Then how did Manson get his original Death Penalty sentence in the first place?

32 posted on 03/16/2008 8:46:58 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When you choose the lesser of two evils, you still have evil.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Even if convicted, he [Charlie Manson] will not be put to death until he is over 80 years old.

Then the nasty old fart can savour a last meal of pureed steak, mashed potatoes, strained peas, decafe coffee and prune whip before being wheeled into the death chamber.

33 posted on 03/16/2008 8:49:17 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: null and void; All

as I recall from when I read “helter skelter”, wasn’t there an attorney working on his case who just “disappeared”?? I wonder if it’s this guy..


34 posted on 03/16/2008 8:49:28 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (If the left doesn't want me to say Barack HUSSEIN Obama, I WON'T say HUSSEIN..I promise,)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

No. He went camping. Stupid idiot tried to swim in a mountain stream with a small boulder on his chest.

Manson was unsuccessful in his attempt to use this ‘drowning’ as an excuse for a mistrial...


35 posted on 03/16/2008 8:52:19 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: MizSterious

I’m in Kaleeeeeeforneeeeeyyyyya. I’ve thought about that a lot...


36 posted on 03/16/2008 8:54:14 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

ahh..I see, he tried the old “hey y’all, hold ma beer and watch this” trick..:)


37 posted on 03/16/2008 9:00:23 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (If the left doesn't want me to say Barack HUSSEIN Obama, I WON'T say HUSSEIN..I promise,)
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To: null and void

Great.

Fox News if gonna be going, “whoOOSH-GONG!”
“Breaking News! Manson flips bird at judge!”
...for the next five years.


38 posted on 03/16/2008 9:01:11 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: CrappieLuck

That’s exactly what happened, to him and several of his murdering ring.


39 posted on 03/16/2008 9:02:09 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RandallFlagg

Only if he were young, blond, and missing.


40 posted on 03/16/2008 9:02:49 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void
Image hosted by Photobucket.com do I really have to say it???

41 posted on 03/16/2008 9:04:50 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: null and void

Oh, he’s missing all right.
The captain’s left the bridge.


42 posted on 03/16/2008 9:06:57 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: ccmay
Not disagreeing, but issuance of gun permits is an administrative decision, not a criminal sanction. A similar issue is guys who pleaded to indecent exposure for peeing on the sidewalk in 1974 and can't live within a mile of a school and have their pictures posted on the internet.
43 posted on 03/16/2008 9:09:55 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The women got the vote and the Nation got Harding.)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Thanks!

Here's the money quote:

"...one source, who asked not to be named for fear Manson and his family members would not speak to them again in the future, interviewed Manson in prison several years ago. The source asked Manson about the Barker Ranch, but before Manson could answer, his jail house lawyer cut him off, saying that Manson would not talk about any crimes that do not have statute of limitations, and could result in further indictments of people. According to Dostie and the source, in California there are only two crimes that do not have a statute of limitations: murder and embezzlement of public funds."

44 posted on 03/16/2008 9:12:19 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: Mr. Brightside

and he can die in prison of old age and then burn in hell. Sounds just fine with me. Let him rot in prison. Death is too good for him.


45 posted on 03/16/2008 9:12:20 AM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: uscabjd

The death penalty was in effect at the time of the murders. I you recall, Manson was sentenced to death for the Tate-Lobianco murders, but this was later commuted to life by SCOTUS.


46 posted on 03/16/2008 9:13:47 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: MizSterious

True, DP law in CA is like the immigration code, it’s technically on the books but rarely gets enforced. Ranks just below jaywalking.


47 posted on 03/16/2008 9:15:41 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Senator McCain, what did GWB promise you back in 2000? And you believed him? BWAHAAAAA!)
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To: Walkingfeather
nope the murders occured when the country did not have a death penalty.
The "country" never had a death penalty and California did have one back in the day.
48 posted on 03/16/2008 9:18:30 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: tiredoflaundry

You are an optimist.


49 posted on 03/16/2008 9:19:54 AM PDT by SouthWall (The new law shall If you are in this country illegally, you will never be eligible for citizenship.)
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To: null and void
Charlie Manson?

Born and raised in Ohio, growing up in Ohio and West Virginia region...

Too bad he didn't stay put.

50 posted on 03/16/2008 9:20:46 AM PDT by dragnet2
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