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More Manson Family victim's bodies found
Fox news | 16 Mar 08 | nully

Posted on 03/16/2008 8:17:14 AM PDT by null and void

Breaking on Fox, no link yet.

This means there are new murders to tie to Charles Manson.

Maybe, just maybe, he can get the death penalty for one or more of these.

Assuming the liberal gods in black robes don't block it again to save him.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: charlesmanson; helterskelter; manson; mansonfamily; serialkiller
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To: uscabjd
Unless there was a constitutionally valid death penalty law in effect when the murders took place, there will be no death penalty now if he is convicted as such punishment would be ex post facto.

Enlist Senator Frank Lautenberg to take up the case. Ex post facto doesn't mean sh*t to him.

51 posted on 03/16/2008 9:21:23 AM PDT by dbwz (kthxbai)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Not disagreeing, but issuance of gun permits is an administrative decision, not a criminal sanction.

The Lautenberg amendment bans "shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor or felony domestic violence".

It has nothing to do with "issuance of gun permits".

It applies even in the civilized portions of the country where no permit is required for weapon ownership, as the unfortunate Dr. Emerson found out.

52 posted on 03/16/2008 9:23:10 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Walkingfeather
nope the murders occured when the country did not have a death penalty.

I thought that there was a death penalty then. The family got the death penalty and their sentences were commuted to life when the death penalty was overturned.

53 posted on 03/16/2008 9:24:28 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: DuncanWaring

It’s still contingent on the courts viewing it as an adminstrative issue rather than penal. Still not disagreeing.


54 posted on 03/16/2008 9:26:18 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The women got the vote and the Nation got Harding.)
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To: dragnet2; MikeWUSAF
dragnet2 ~ Too bad he didn't stay put.

MikeWUSAF ~ It appears that he had a great childhood...

I would have left, too...

55 posted on 03/16/2008 9:26:49 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void
Great childhoood? Born in Ohio, he was raised by a low life mother and other relatives...

This fruitcake started his criminal career really early on in the Virginia and Ohio area if I recall.

56 posted on 03/16/2008 9:30:36 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: uscabjd
I could be wrong, but as I recall, there was a death penalty in effect when the murders took place and he was sentenced to the death penalty at his trial. That death penalty law, however, was thrown out some years later and Manson got a straight life sentence.

You are quite correct.

57 posted on 03/16/2008 9:31:50 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: dragnet2; MikeWUSAF
Read the link.

I didn' think MikeWUSAF's comment really needed a < /sarchasm> tag...

58 posted on 03/16/2008 9:32:17 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

I don’t need to read the link. I know more than I care to about Charlie and his adventures on the west coast.


59 posted on 03/16/2008 9:33:56 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: kalee

“Tex” Charles Watson has been divorced for many years and his ex is remarried. He has not remarried.


60 posted on 03/16/2008 9:34:15 AM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: dragnet2; MikeWUSAF

You said: “Great childhoood?” If you are going to question MikeWUSAF’s words, you should at least look at the context. Unless you don’t mind sounding like an idiot.


61 posted on 03/16/2008 9:44:32 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: adopt4Christ

Thanks for the info. I guess the site I used needs an update.


62 posted on 03/16/2008 9:46:11 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: null and void
What specifically are you trying to say in regards to Manson's childhood?

I really don't need to go to your links. I'm asking you.

63 posted on 03/16/2008 9:53:13 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Inyo-Mono; null and void

Well this is unexpected, isn’t it.

Why were they digging there? or did someone just happen to find remains?


64 posted on 03/16/2008 9:57:17 AM PDT by lainie ("You had your time, you had the power, you've yet to have your finest hour" (Roger Taylor, 1984))
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To: cubreporter

Death is too good for him.

You think being in prison with good food, heat in winter and A/C in summer, good health care, people to talk to, etc. is worst than burning in hell? I think death would do him just fine.


65 posted on 03/16/2008 10:01:34 AM PDT by Travelgirl
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To: null and void

Whenever I see a picture of Manson (which thankfully is not very often), I see the swastika tatoo he has on his forehead and I think, that swastika would make a nice target!


66 posted on 03/16/2008 10:02:50 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Travelgirl

but the point is he is not walking free. There are bars and walls. No, let him suffer not having the freedom that we have. Then when he dies he will go to another jail that will have no air conditiioning or those other thngs you mentioned. Slow and low...that’s what he deserves.


67 posted on 03/16/2008 10:05:04 AM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: lainie

This link, which I posted earlier, explains it all:

http://www.inyoregister.com/content/view/84991/27/


68 posted on 03/16/2008 10:05:42 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: lainie
It appears there were rumors of more bodies, and with new forensic capabilities, I guess they decided to go looking. That was my take from this article, Experts Find Possible Evidence of More Manson Family Murders

...For years, rumors have swirled about other possible Manson family victims — hitchhikers who visited them at the ranch and were not seen again, runaways who drifted into the camp then fell out of favor.

The same jailhouse confessions that helped investigators initially connect the band of misfits living in the Panamint Mountains to the gruesome killings that terrorized Los Angeles hinted at other deaths. Manson follower Susan Atkins boasted to her cell mate on November 1, 1969, that there were "three people out in the desert that they done in." Other stories surfaced. In the absence of bodies, they were forgotten......

....Last month, equipped with cutting-edge forensic technology, the investigators assembled in the ghost town of Ballarat for a 20-mile ride in all-terrain vehicles to the ranch.

The team included two national lab researchers carrying instruments to detect chemical markers of human decomposition, a police investigator with a cadaver-seeking dog, and an anthropologist armed with a magnetic resonance reader....

69 posted on 03/16/2008 10:07:42 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Dionysius

Thanks for the accuracy, Dionysius. I well remember thinking how unfair those people dead, the Manson family already working on parole.

In the book Helter Skelter, by Vince Bugliosi he says towards the end there are many murders unsolved, committed by the ‘family’.

One of these unsolved murders was their original lawyer, who was found dead over the weekend after the family and Charlie disagreed with him regarding his not taking orders from Manson regarding how the case should be dealt with.

Knocked off.


70 posted on 03/16/2008 10:07:45 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: CrappieLuck; Walkingfeather; null and void
If I recall, he was Sentenced to death and was serving his time on death row but California abolished the Death penalty in ‘73 and his sentence was converted to life.

No, the Supreme Court ruled all the existing death penalty laws in the US unconstitutional.

71 posted on 03/16/2008 10:17:58 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
You may need a permit to purchase a firearm in Massachussetts, but many other states have no such requirement. EIther you can or cannot own a firearm by federal law, and if you can, no permit is required, except for Class III or concealed carry, and in some states no CCW permit is required, either.

Telling someone they cannot own a firearm in such states over a misdemeanor is a criminal sanction, and not an administrative decision.

72 posted on 03/16/2008 10:28:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: null and void

If any of the Manson Family were teenagers they can at least get him for homeschooling.


73 posted on 03/16/2008 10:28:13 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: dragnet2
What specifically are you trying to say in regards to Manson's childhood?

Me? Nothing!

MikeWUSAF said it all.

You ASS-U-MEd you knew what he meant, and refuse to even glance at what he posted, while berating me for what you thought I said that he said.

You are so confused that you are now saying I said what he said, when you don't even know what he said, yet you have strong opinions on what you think he said and are afraid to find out what he really said for fear that you'll find out what you said makes you look like an idiot to the rest of us for saying something that is a total non sequitur to what he said, because he didn't say what you are deriding him for saying in the first place, but are acting like I said, when I didn't say it. Further what I said clearly means the opposite of what you insist I said, when I agreed with what he said that you are stubbornly maintaining willful ignorance of, and assuming that you know as the opposite of what he really said in the first place.

Was that clear enough?

If not go here

I really don't need to go to your links.

Unless you actually want the truth. You can't handle the truth...

I'm asking you.

And here's my answer. In full, and clearly stated.

74 posted on 03/16/2008 10:34:26 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

Wow. It’s amazing that none of the family has ever spilled the beans on this.


75 posted on 03/16/2008 10:42:06 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Earl Warren just did whatever he wanted. He was the worst SC chief justice in history, a virtual dictator. He did the dirty work for the left like LBJ and MacNamarea, but you notice that the libs are very quiet about him. No movies have been made about that ghastly trio.


76 posted on 03/16/2008 10:43:51 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: SE Mom
Wow. It’s amazing that none of the family has ever spilled the beans on this.

Anyone who knows is also subject to the death penalty, and anyone that deeply involved thinks Manson is a Living God.

77 posted on 03/16/2008 10:44:03 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void

Convicted Manson family members got the death penalty, it was later commuted to life in prison.


78 posted on 03/16/2008 10:46:08 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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To: null and void
What specifically are you trying to say in regards to Manson's childhood?

Me? Nothing!

That was clear.

You are so confused that you are now saying I said what he said, when you don't even know what he said, yet you have strong opinions on what you think he said

LOL! Thanks for that bit of humor.

79 posted on 03/16/2008 10:47:17 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: freedom4ever

>>This could be the media circus of all media circus’s if it is true they are able to find bodies and charge Manson with the murders.<<

Sad but true. Furthermore, it would give manson more of a pulpit to spew more of his vile, insane, ramblings, thus giving rise to more mansonites.

He should be frying in hell instead of breathing our precious air.


80 posted on 03/16/2008 10:50:07 AM PDT by KylaStarr (..keeping watch)
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To: RandallFlagg

...as his groupies chant for his release because he’s just such a nice guy....

.. puking


81 posted on 03/16/2008 10:53:13 AM PDT by KylaStarr (..keeping watch)
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To: Inyo-Mono; Girlene

After reading the Inyo Register story, let me see if I have this right.

There’s actually no new evidence of anything, other than a few years’ worth of various cadaver dogs pointing to four possible grave sites?


82 posted on 03/16/2008 10:55:01 AM PDT by lainie ("You had your time, you had the power, you've yet to have your finest hour" (Roger Taylor, 1984))
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To: lainie
That I don't know. The Register article is over a month old. But according to the lead article in this thread, Fox News is reporting more information:

More Manson Family victim's bodies found

Breaking on Fox, no link yet.

This means there are new murders to tie to Charles Manson.

Maybe, just maybe, he can get the death penalty for one or more of these.

Assuming the liberal gods in black robes don't block it again to save him.

83 posted on 03/16/2008 11:01:34 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: dragnet2
LOL! Thanks for that bit of humor.

Thanks. I had fun writing it.

84 posted on 03/16/2008 11:09:48 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Yeah, but by the time I posted it, they ran the actual story, and it didn’t live up to the teaser.

Typical.


85 posted on 03/16/2008 11:13:06 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: Inyo-Mono

A quick run through all of the major news sites (including Fox) indicates to me that there’s nothing here but more speculation and a lot of puffy headlines.


86 posted on 03/16/2008 11:20:06 AM PDT by lainie ("You had your time, you had the power, you've yet to have your finest hour" (Roger Taylor, 1984))
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To: null and void

Sorry — didn’t mean to imply that it’s your fault. There’s some crappy journalism in this world, eh?


87 posted on 03/16/2008 11:21:34 AM PDT by lainie ("You had your time, you had the power, you've yet to have your finest hour" (Roger Taylor, 1984))
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To: Girlene

In 1987, I rode a 5 day endurance horse race in Death Valley, and we rode right up the road past the Barker Ranch. It felt spooky then, and now the hair on my neck is rising again. The air all around me then just felt weird. Manson is truly a monster, and so are his followers.


88 posted on 03/16/2008 11:28:00 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: lainie

Figures. I’ll check with our local news guy who is a friend of mine to see if has updates on this story.

Manson was arrested in Inyo County in 1969.

I knew the Inyo County prosecutor at that time, Buck Gibbons, quite well. He was at the Baker Ranch when Manson was first arrested and was taken to the Inyo County jail before being sent to Los Angeles for prosecution.


89 posted on 03/16/2008 11:32:07 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: dbwz

Bump


90 posted on 03/16/2008 11:33:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Inyo-Mono

Alert! “Baker”= Barker.


91 posted on 03/16/2008 11:33:58 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: Walkingfeather
Nope the murders occured when the country did not have a death penalty.

NOT TRUE!!!

92 posted on 03/16/2008 11:35:10 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: lainie

No offense taken, I just wanted to be sure that no one thought actual bodies had yet been discovered.


93 posted on 03/16/2008 11:35:38 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: Inyo-Mono; All

I’ve been to Barker Ranch. We did the Goler Wash 4wd trip (through Ballarat & all). It’s beautiful scenery, but it was sad there. The house was like a little living museum. There’s a guest book where people add their thoughts & experiences — like “it snowed last night but I stayed in a tent in the front yard. couldn’t bring myself to sleep inside.” That kind of thing.

We were amazed that anybody actually got a full sized school bus up that wash!


94 posted on 03/16/2008 11:42:14 AM PDT by lainie ("You had your time, you had the power, you've yet to have your finest hour" (Roger Taylor, 1984))
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To: null and void

Has Kalifornia executed anybody since Tookie?


95 posted on 03/16/2008 11:44:41 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Dunno. I doubt it.


96 posted on 03/16/2008 12:10:31 PM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: lainie
After reading the Inyo Register story, let me see if I have this right.

There’s actually no new evidence of anything, other than a few years’ worth of various cadaver dogs pointing to four possible grave sites?


From the AP article via Fox that I linked here it appears the investigative team found very strong indications of buried remains. They first used dogs trained to find human remains, then senior researchers from Tennessee's Oak Ridge National Laboratory used a machine to detect fluorinated hydrocarbon compounds, one of the approximately 400 types of volatile organic compounds emitted by human bodies during decomposition. After that they used a ground probe to detect disturbed ground, then an IR. An archeologist also used Ground Penetrating Radar and a magnetometer — an instrument that can peer 12 feet into the ground — in archaeological work and to help find burial sites. He did a grid search. So it was sounded like a pretty exhaustive investigation. There next step is to dig in the possible grave sites for bones.

And the results of just-completed followup tests suggest bodies could indeed be lying beneath the parched ground. The test findings — described in detail to The Associated Press, which had accompanied the site search — conclude there are two likely clandestine grave sites at Barker Ranch, and one additional site that merits further investigation.
97 posted on 03/16/2008 12:13:46 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: ridesthemiles
In 1987, I rode a 5 day endurance horse race in Death Valley, and we rode right up the road past the Barker Ranch. It felt spooky then, and now the hair on my neck is rising again. The air all around me then just felt weird. Manson is truly a monster, and so are his followers. - That would be creepy.


98 posted on 03/16/2008 12:16:47 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: null and void; dragnet2

Wow! I didn’t mean to stir up all this drama!

I was being facetious.

Mike :)


99 posted on 03/16/2008 2:35:36 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: CrappieLuck
If I recall, he was Sentenced to death and was serving his time on death row but California abolished the Death penalty in ‘73 and his sentence was converted to life.
Exactly
100 posted on 03/16/2008 3:00:31 PM PDT by D1X1E
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