Skip to comments.Obama camp: No, Newsmax, he wasn’t there for the sermon on July 22
Posted on 03/17/2008 7:18:13 AM PDT by jdm
An (almost) airtight alibi, refuting the charge that he was present in church and nodding along last summer when Wright indicted the United States of White America. So much for Newsmaxs credibility. People were ripping on me in the comments to the Juan Williams post for having called the Messiah a shrewd politician but just look at the game hes got us playing here trying to place him physically at the scene of any single sermon at a church he patronized for 20 years, as if absent that evidence we might have to believe his feigned ignorance. Newsmaxs info was bogus? Well, maybe he really didnt know after all!
Actually, I like this explanation better. Wait for it. About halfway through.
We are all playing Obama’s game by making such a huge deal out of this NOW, instead of after the Convention. This will never hurt him with Democrat voters. He will still likely win the nomination. To exhaust the American public’s attention with this NOW is a huge risk, one which is made worse by errant reports such as NewsMax had. ENOUGH. Shut this crap down. It only helps Hillary. Save the Wright barrage for after Denver!
Obama will NOT get the nomination. It’s not going to happen. And what we do now (or later) in this regard matters little. Why? Because it’s the infighting within the Democrat Party itself which is going to eventually destroy Obama and ensure Hillary the nomination.
He spoke at 1:50 pm for the La Raza conference.
I don’t think this should be breaking news because that is implying there is some new information here when there isn’t. It’s just a link to a web site which basically says “no, he wasn’t.” Take a look at the link.
The author of the article says the sermon was at 7:30. The church’s web site says it was at 6 PM. Either way, there is no airtight ailibi. Considering the article was writen last August I’m still believing the author here. It’s unfair to Newsmax, in my opinion, to have this posted as a fact in breaking news.
But I’ll tell you right here that Obama doesn’t have a prayer in the general election. The in-fighting in the Dem party will only strengthen The Queen and she will win in a landslide.
Lots of interesting comments at the first link you provided. Thanks for providing the opportunity to read them.
That’s why “vision” pinged the author. I’m not out to slam Newsmax, I just want to hear all sides, and then put everything together, and make my own decision.
El Zibo and many conservatives have only one objective in this election: Defeat McCain at any cost.
You’re welcome. Glad to be of help.
Really? Hot Air took my line?
“... but there is no evidence that, over the course of twenty years, he has moved his own minister past anger and bitterness.” The man and his racist wife think enough of the ‘message’ hate-whitey-hustle to bring their children for inculcation in it! Obama is a flatout liar and even indicated he was with his stealth message to the Canadians. All politicians are accused of being liars, professional liars. But this goes beyond that and amounts to 20 years of being personally inculcated in this message. Americans don’t want that sort of preparation for their presidential candidate, surely!
If I may pose a question; I recall reading somewhere that Obama was given a Secret Service detail earlier than usual, but not sure if it was that far back to last July.
But if it was, isn’t their itinerary and travel schedule a matter of public record? How could we go about checking to see where they were on that date?
JV, I respect the hell out of you, and appreciate your translations, but I think you are dead wrong in assuming that HRC has OVER a 50% chance of winning the Presidency. It is - indisputably, hands-down - less than 50%. More than half the country can't stand the woman!
I agree with you. Those who will come to Obama’s defense are the very fringe, radical and polarizing leaders that we have seen before. They are outrageous and they won’t convince anyone who isn’t already suspicious. It’s not like he has a credible line of respected leaders who will chime in for him. The usual race-baiters will be the ones to line up. The longer the line, the faster his candidacy goes down the tubes. The longer this story is hot, the longer it may take for the public to forget it. Obama may be back in the future. Anyone who participates in this racist church (including Ms. Oprah in the past) deserves to have this church connected to them. That means, yes, all the members who attend it regularly and donate funds so the Rev. Wright can drive his Porsche. Keep the connection going, IMHO. The Repubs don’t have to do it. All we need to do is make sure it doesn’t get buried.
Good point and yes it did. Found your answer: May 3, 2007 (so about two-and-a-half-months prior to July 22 of that year).
Thank you. Tell me how is McCain going to win Ohio and Arkansas against Hillary Clinton?
If the Dem’s want to win in November, they need someone other than Hillary or Obama.
McCain won't take Arkansas, but he'll win both OH and PA. Remember, Hillary has high, very high negatives. She - like Obama - cannot win a general election.
Hillary only won Ohio because the contest was between her and Obama, not between her and McCain.
That’s what I was thinking!!!
Same here, jdm, so I appreciate your efforts and am just following along.
Well, the secret service was with him at church then, any time he want after May 3, correct?
So there is a definitive record of exactly what dates Obama did attend church.
Are the Secret Service logs of where they were on a given day public record?
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I doubt it. Ping to DFU because I think he'd know the answer to that question.
America has an answer to Bob & Doug McKenzie!
Obama, if he is not already toast, will be toast in the general election.
He has about 0% chance of winning. The country is not going to go from electing people with names like Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Clinton and Bush and turn around and elect “Barack Obama”. Most of your blue-collar union Democrats will run to vote for her, but will not vote for Obama. Same with white women, they’ll run to vote for the queen but will resent the racist undertones of Obama’s campaign and not vote for him.
Yes, it's beginning to sound like interesting timing.
File A: Barak in the House Sermons
File B: Barak Won't be Attending, Can Say What I Want Sermons
private jet, police escort for traffic, possible.
Sorry, don’t know. It would probably take a FOIA request, and you’d get an answer in a few years.
...and how very pathetic it is that so many people cannot see this.
Doug, wouldn’t local police have to coordinate with the SS? ... Couldn’t their records be more accessible?
Because they agree with El Zibo on this.
“That’s funny ‘cause it’s true.”
Yes, I suppose locals would have the info, but I doubt that they would release it. The best shot is probably a news search day by day.
Freeper pilots: How possible is it to get ahold of flight logs to confirm the dates and TIMES of his flights to determine if he could have attended BOTH?
IMO continuing with pushing this past almost believability just makes conservatives look bullheadedly stupid.
...yes, even more pathetic.
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According to this article Obama attends the 11:00 service.
“These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.”
The article is from April 5, 2004.
Saying he wasn’t there for THAT particular sermon doesn’t mean that he was unaware of his mentor’s (Obama called him that) racists views.
Doesn’t the Secret Service keep records of his where abouts?
I suspect their thinking went something along the lines of this:
"I've got an idea! We'll make up a story about Obama and claim we'll release the goods on Monday the 17th. We'll get a HUGE number of web hits!"
"Uh...yeah...but...what happens when the new (and old) visitors realize that we tricked them and we're full of BS?"
"Ah, don't worry yourself about such trivialities. It's all about the web hits."
If he took a private jet shouldn't there be publicly available records of the jet taking off and landing that day. Perhaps flight plans submitted by the pilot or airport records at either of the airports?
Allan J. Favish