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Obama camp: No, Newsmax, he wasn’t there for the sermon on July 22
Hot Air ^ | March 17, 2008 | Allahpundit

Posted on 03/17/2008 7:18:13 AM PDT by jdm

An (almost) airtight alibi, refuting the charge that he was present in church and nodding along last summer when Wright indicted the “United States of White America.” So much for Newsmax’s credibility. People were ripping on me in the comments to the Juan Williams post for having called the Messiah a shrewd politician but just look at the game he’s got us playing here — trying to place him physically at the scene of any single sermon at a church he patronized for 20 years, as if absent that evidence we might have to believe his feigned ignorance. Newsmax’s info was bogus? Well, maybe he really didn’t know after all!

Actually, I like this explanation better. Wait for it. About halfway through.



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bhussein; blacktheology; hussein; jeremiahsmessiah; jeremiahwright; july22; liberalracism; newsmax; nobama; obama; politicsofoppression; trinityucc
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To: jdm

We are all playing Obama’s game by making such a huge deal out of this NOW, instead of after the Convention. This will never hurt him with Democrat voters. He will still likely win the nomination. To exhaust the American public’s attention with this NOW is a huge risk, one which is made worse by errant reports such as NewsMax had. ENOUGH. Shut this crap down. It only helps Hillary. Save the Wright barrage for after Denver!


51 posted on 03/17/2008 7:57:32 AM PDT by montag813
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To: threeleftsmakearight

Obama will NOT get the nomination. It’s not going to happen. And what we do now (or later) in this regard matters little. Why? Because it’s the infighting within the Democrat Party itself which is going to eventually destroy Obama and ensure Hillary the nomination.


52 posted on 03/17/2008 7:58:01 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: deport

He spoke at 1:50 pm for the La Raza conference.


53 posted on 03/17/2008 8:01:22 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Admin Moderator; jdm

I don’t think this should be breaking news because that is implying there is some new information here when there isn’t. It’s just a link to a web site which basically says “no, he wasn’t.” Take a look at the link.

The author of the article says the sermon was at 7:30. The church’s web site says it was at 6 PM. Either way, there is no airtight ailibi. Considering the article was writen last August I’m still believing the author here. It’s unfair to Newsmax, in my opinion, to have this posted as a fact in breaking news.


54 posted on 03/17/2008 8:02:08 AM PDT by faq
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To: jdm

OK Rush.
But I’ll tell you right here that Obama doesn’t have a prayer in the general election. The in-fighting in the Dem party will only strengthen The Queen and she will win in a landslide.


55 posted on 03/17/2008 8:03:46 AM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: jdm

Lots of interesting comments at the first link you provided. Thanks for providing the opportunity to read them.


56 posted on 03/17/2008 8:04:30 AM PDT by syriacus (Michelle-O was proud of U of C volunteers in 1997. When did she become "unproud" of America?)
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To: faq; Vision

That’s why “vision” pinged the author. I’m not out to slam Newsmax, I just want to hear all sides, and then put everything together, and make my own decision.


57 posted on 03/17/2008 8:06:42 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: threeleftsmakearight
May because many conservatives including Rush Limbaugh (El Zibo) want a stronger opponent against McCain in the general elections and they know that Barack will be soundly beaten by McCain whereas Hillary Clinton has over 50% chance of winning the Presidency.

El Zibo and many conservatives have only one objective in this election: Defeat McCain at any cost.

58 posted on 03/17/2008 8:06:55 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: syriacus

You’re welcome. Glad to be of help.


59 posted on 03/17/2008 8:07:18 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: cgk

Really? Hot Air took my line?

Nice!


60 posted on 03/17/2008 8:08:15 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: deport

“... but there is no evidence that, over the course of twenty years, he has moved his own minister past anger and bitterness.” The man and his racist wife think enough of the ‘message’ hate-whitey-hustle to bring their children for inculcation in it! Obama is a flatout liar and even indicated he was with his stealth message to the Canadians. All politicians are accused of being liars, professional liars. But this goes beyond that and amounts to 20 years of being personally inculcated in this message. Americans don’t want that sort of preparation for their presidential candidate, surely!


61 posted on 03/17/2008 8:08:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: jdm

If I may pose a question; I recall reading somewhere that Obama was given a Secret Service detail earlier than usual, but not sure if it was that far back to last July.

But if it was, isn’t their itinerary and travel schedule a matter of public record? How could we go about checking to see where they were on that date?


62 posted on 03/17/2008 8:08:58 AM PDT by mquinn
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To: jveritas
whereas Hillary Clinton has over 50% chance of winning the Presidency.

JV, I respect the hell out of you, and appreciate your translations, but I think you are dead wrong in assuming that HRC has OVER a 50% chance of winning the Presidency. It is - indisputably, hands-down - less than 50%. More than half the country can't stand the woman!

63 posted on 03/17/2008 8:09:29 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jdm

I agree with you. Those who will come to Obama’s defense are the very fringe, radical and polarizing leaders that we have seen before. They are outrageous and they won’t convince anyone who isn’t already suspicious. It’s not like he has a credible line of respected leaders who will chime in for him. The usual race-baiters will be the ones to line up. The longer the line, the faster his candidacy goes down the tubes. The longer this story is hot, the longer it may take for the public to forget it. Obama may be back in the future. Anyone who participates in this racist church (including Ms. Oprah in the past) deserves to have this church connected to them. That means, yes, all the members who attend it regularly and donate funds so the Rev. Wright can drive his Porsche. Keep the connection going, IMHO. The Repubs don’t have to do it. All we need to do is make sure it doesn’t get buried.


64 posted on 03/17/2008 8:10:55 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
My guess is the “Reverend” has probably made so many hate filled speeches that Philo 1962 probably did see Osama, whoops, I mean Obama at one of them, just not this particular speech.
65 posted on 03/17/2008 8:10:57 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (Deport them all... Let God sort them out!)
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To: mquinn
If I may pose a question; I recall reading somewhere that Obama was given a Secret Service detail earlier than usual, but not sure if it was that far back to last July.

Good point and yes it did. Found your answer: May 3, 2007 (so about two-and-a-half-months prior to July 22 of that year).

MSNBC (May 3, 2007): Obama placed under Secret Service protection

66 posted on 03/17/2008 8:12:04 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jdm

Thank you. Tell me how is McCain going to win Ohio and Arkansas against Hillary Clinton?


67 posted on 03/17/2008 8:13:06 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: austinaero

If the Dem’s want to win in November, they need someone other than Hillary or Obama.


68 posted on 03/17/2008 8:13:23 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Rofl


69 posted on 03/17/2008 8:16:11 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: jveritas
Tell me how is McCain going to win Ohio and Arkansas against Hillary Clinton?

McCain won't take Arkansas, but he'll win both OH and PA. Remember, Hillary has high, very high negatives. She - like Obama - cannot win a general election.

Hillary only won Ohio because the contest was between her and Obama, not between her and McCain.

70 posted on 03/17/2008 8:16:53 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: Vision

That’s what I was thinking!!!


71 posted on 03/17/2008 8:18:43 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us nature wallpapers)
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To: jdm
I just want to hear all sides, and then put everything together, and make my own decision.

Same here, jdm, so I appreciate your efforts and am just following along.

72 posted on 03/17/2008 8:19:09 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: jdm

Well, the secret service was with him at church then, any time he want after May 3, correct?
So there is a definitive record of exactly what dates Obama did attend church.
Are the Secret Service logs of where they were on a given day public record?


73 posted on 03/17/2008 8:21:13 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us nature wallpapers)
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To: jdm
If you missed the two nutjobs on with Bill O. Friday night (video here):



Preaching Hate? Two Obama supporters analyze the senator's controversial pastor
74 posted on 03/17/2008 8:21:56 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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mark for later


75 posted on 03/17/2008 8:21:56 AM PDT by eureka! (This primary has turned into a real depressing experience. *sigh*)
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To: visualops; doug from upland
Are the Secret Service logs of where they were on a given day public record?

I doubt it. Ping to DFU because I think he'd know the answer to that question.

76 posted on 03/17/2008 8:22:52 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jdm

Finally!

America has an answer to Bob & Doug McKenzie!


77 posted on 03/17/2008 8:23:57 AM PDT by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: jdm

Obama, if he is not already toast, will be toast in the general election.
He has about 0% chance of winning. The country is not going to go from electing people with names like Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Clinton and Bush and turn around and elect “Barack Obama”. Most of your blue-collar union Democrats will run to vote for her, but will not vote for Obama. Same with white women, they’ll run to vote for the queen but will resent the racist undertones of Obama’s campaign and not vote for him.


78 posted on 03/17/2008 8:26:22 AM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: TornadoAlley3
You forgot your sarc/ tag, right?
79 posted on 03/17/2008 8:29:40 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (Nope. No capital letters for the clintons, bill or hill, ever again.)
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To: jdm
Actually, I like this explanation better. Wait for it. About halfway through.

Yes, it's beginning to sound like interesting timing.

File A: Barak in the House Sermons

File B: Barak Won't be Attending, Can Say What I Want Sermons

80 posted on 03/17/2008 8:32:35 AM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: icwhatudo

private jet, police escort for traffic, possible.


81 posted on 03/17/2008 8:36:03 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: threeleftsmakearight
What you say is true, now if only the Being the stupid people we are, we can’t help ourselves would listen to what you say. ... unfortunately, I don't count on them doing that.
82 posted on 03/17/2008 8:37:18 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (Nope. No capital letters for the clintons, bill or hill, ever again.)
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To: jdm

Sorry, don’t know. It would probably take a FOIA request, and you’d get an answer in a few years.


83 posted on 03/17/2008 8:39:48 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

LOL


84 posted on 03/17/2008 8:44:23 AM PDT by jdm (Relax, it's just the internet.)
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To: jveritas
El Zibo and many conservatives have only one objective in this election: Defeat McCain at any cost.

True!

...and how very pathetic it is that so many people cannot see this.

85 posted on 03/17/2008 8:47:52 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (Nope. No capital letters for the clintons, bill or hill, ever again.)
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To: doug from upland

Doug, wouldn’t local police have to coordinate with the SS? ... Couldn’t their records be more accessible?


86 posted on 03/17/2008 8:51:09 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: jdm
Hillary only won Ohio because the contest was between her and Obama, not between her and McCain. ... and PA?
87 posted on 03/17/2008 8:51:13 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (Nope. No capital letters for the clintons, bill or hill, ever again.)
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To: top 2 toe red

Because they agree with El Zibo on this.


88 posted on 03/17/2008 8:51:13 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jdm

“That’s funny ‘cause it’s true.”


89 posted on 03/17/2008 8:51:26 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: MHGinTN

Yes, I suppose locals would have the info, but I doubt that they would release it. The best shot is probably a news search day by day.


90 posted on 03/17/2008 8:53:52 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Vision

Freeper pilots: How possible is it to get ahold of flight logs to confirm the dates and TIMES of his flights to determine if he could have attended BOTH?


91 posted on 03/17/2008 8:56:05 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: TornadoAlley3
I guess you didn't forget the sarc/ tag I asked you about on an earlier post.

IMO continuing with pushing this past almost believability just makes conservatives look bullheadedly stupid.

92 posted on 03/17/2008 8:57:04 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (Nope. No capital letters for the clintons, bill or hill, ever again.)
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To: jveritas

...yes, even more pathetic.


93 posted on 03/17/2008 8:59:07 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (Nope. No capital letters for the clintons, bill or hill, ever again.)
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To: jdm

bump for later viewing


94 posted on 03/17/2008 9:07:24 AM PDT by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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To: Admin Moderator

According to this article Obama attends the 11:00 service.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

“These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.”

The article is from April 5, 2004.


95 posted on 03/17/2008 9:10:14 AM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: jdm

Saying he wasn’t there for THAT particular sermon doesn’t mean that he was unaware of his mentor’s (Obama called him that) racists views.


96 posted on 03/17/2008 9:13:49 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Admin Moderator; jdm
I did.

Well, then, I'm gonna have to report you to the Admin Mod... - wait, SIDEBAR Moderator!!!

LOL - j/k
97 posted on 03/17/2008 9:15:30 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: jdm

Doesn’t the Secret Service keep records of his where abouts?


98 posted on 03/17/2008 9:15:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Seriously, the Newsmax makes the National Enquirer look like a respectable publication. People get on Debkafile case, but their accuracy rate puts Newsmax's to shame.

I suspect their thinking went something along the lines of this:

"I've got an idea! We'll make up a story about Obama and claim we'll release the goods on Monday the 17th. We'll get a HUGE number of web hits!"

"Uh...yeah...but...what happens when the new (and old) visitors realize that we tricked them and we're full of BS?"

"Ah, don't worry yourself about such trivialities. It's all about the web hits."

99 posted on 03/17/2008 9:19:46 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: TornadoAlley3
private jet, police escort for traffic, possible.

If he took a private jet shouldn't there be publicly available records of the jet taking off and landing that day. Perhaps flight plans submitted by the pilot or airport records at either of the airports?

Regards,
Allan J. Favish
www.allanfavish.com

100 posted on 03/17/2008 9:22:59 AM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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