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Posted on 03/22/2008 8:02:47 AM PDT by captjanaway
In the annals of judicial imperialism, we have arrived at a strange new chapter. A California court ruled this month that parents cannot "home school" their children without government certification. No teaching credential, no teaching. Parents "do not have a constitutional right to home school their children," wrote California appellate Justice Walter Croskey.
The 166,000 families in the state that now choose to educate their children at home must be stunned. But at least one political lobby likes the ruling. "We're happy," the California Teachers Association's Lloyd Porter told the San Francisco Chronicle. He says the union believes all students should be taught only by "credentialed" teachers, who will in due course belong to unions.
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As indicated elsewhere in this thread, the 'real' motive here is money and power, money to continue their reign and power to control the lives of others. Nothing else.
Arrogant homeschool parents can go to hell.
Easy there FRiend.
Most of the home schooling parents do so because they don't want their kids to study the many wonders of the homosexual life style (starting with gay picture books in kindergarten, google "king and king," it's given to kindergartners in Massachusetts).
They also want to avoid an environment where their child can be punished for quietly reading the Bible at lunch even though the five pillars of Islam are taught in class (including a requirement to take a Muslim name and extra credit for fasting during Ramadan).
I've known parents who home school. The ones I've known didn't look down on kids who go to public schools or their parents. They do warn the parents of the real dangers present in many (but not all) public schools.
Look especially at men teachers. What was their major before entering a teachers career?
I haven’t been able to track down this information for myself yet, but James Dobson said that there were actually three judges who made this decision, and one of them was the judge in the Michael Newdow case. If I heard correctly, that judge ruled that parents have no rights once their children enter the doors of public school, and with this new ruling, parents, apparently, don’t have rights even within their own homes. Insane, but pretty much what you’d expect from leftists.
And let us not forget that parenting is the most important job in anyone's life...and it will always be left to amateurs.
Personally, the greatest arrogance is the public school system that pushes a leftist agenda and acts like it should be the final arbiter on what children learn and when, even if it runs directly counter to the wishes of the parents.
“Arrogant homeschool parents can go to hell.”
wow. Hate much ?
And this entire ruling was due to abuse in the family. Excuse me, but couldn’t the kids still be abused AFTER SCHOOL HOURS? And don’t most abused kids go to public school (just by sheer stat numbers)?
This was a horrible decision.
The data on the achievements of homeschool kids argues against your bias.
Nor does it mean that one can actually impart knowledge competently, nor does it mean that one can control or motivate a classroom of 30 hyperactive and easily distracted kids. It merely means that you sat through the requisite number of credit hours, and gave a state college enough money.
My wife has an ed degree. The classes she took were a joke.
Agree 100%. In all of my Ed classes, I only picked up two pieces of practical knowledge, both from a seasoned full-time HS teacher who was a Harley riding bouncer in his youth, and still had the pony-tailed salt-n-pepper hair. (He taught evening college classes for fun.)
The first was how to break up a fight between two kids who were both bigger than you.
The second was how to make lesson plans that were actually useful. Neither was part of his curriculum. (His room also gave dozens of ideas on how to construct an interesting learning environment.)
The School of Education and the numerous Teacher's Unions were both useless at best, and immense obstacles from time to time, when it came to actually helping a classroom full of children to gain specific pieces of knowledge and concrete thinking skills.
I have seen the "I-can-do-it-better" attitude in almost all aspects of homeschoolers' lives. This confidence could be taken as arrogance, although it is a stretch. Among some of my friends, this misplaced confidence has created problems, often expensive to fix.
However, in their children's education, this attitude is fine. A dedicated, caring, untrained parent can educate a small number of children better than a trained teacher who does not have the same concern for the child and has to deal with 20-30 of them. As a university professor, I would take a homeschooled student over a student from a public school anytime. I have found homeschool students uniformly to have better attitudes, better study habits, and are at least as well-prepared academically.
If Humblegunner doesn't like homeschooling, he doesn't have to homeschool his children. I would assume on this forum that he would at least respect the rights of others to do what they feel is best for them and their family.
Fact is, homeschoolers have an advantage of not having to try to stick their square pegs into round holes.
I have a daughter-in-law teaching 4th grade who is constantly at odds with the other teachers who are spending tons of time on things other than teaching actual content, which she feels is the entire purpose of the school. Her frustration level is so high, she needs time to cool off from the pressure. They won't pay for a workshop to improve teaching techniques for failing students, so she's doing it out of her own pocket and stays after school long hours to help them. There are many, many really dedicated good teachers who care, but administrations and unions don't really support them well.
If my grandson were still in public school, he'd probably be in third grade still, but he's finishing up 7th BECAUSE he doesn't have to fit into a round hole..... We take time to do things right, no matter how many times we have to do it.
I don't think this is arrogance.... but it is determination, and it is love. The schools don't love our children.
In spite of the fact that the (unionized) education industry agrees with you, unfortunately that also applies to most teachers, who chose the bottom of the rigorous education ladder into which to go. So the "concern" is at best ignorant and at worst self-serving.
The issue is really quite simple. Results is what is paramount.
Compare the achievement of the home-schooled against those from the government schools, and the result speak for themselves.
I should also point out that "not constitutionally guaranteed" also applies to techers' unions...
Just keep in mind that people lash out not at what they believe to be false, but more so from the fear that what they believe might be true --- is not.
I've got a copy of the Constitution (subversive that I am, I actually own my own copy, instead of pretending that the liberals own it and get to lecture me from it). According to my copy, the government doesn't have a consitutional right to school my children either. I guess we have a stalemate.
I don't think that we are disagreeing about homeschooling. We don't homeschool because we have a good Christian school close by. However, were the situation different, we would homeschool.
There is sometimes misplaced confidence by homeschoolers in their abilities and a distain for experts which I sometimes see as unhealthy in other situations. However, that doesn't apply in homeschooling situations where any dedicated adult can adequately educate young children.
LOL! Thanks my FRiend!
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